drednm Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Article in the NY Times about Black Face in MARY POPPINS: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/movies/mary-poppins-returns-blackface.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=Movies Link to post Share on other sites
Sgt_Markoff Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I've often looked into the history of blackface due to the interest I have in early vaudeville. Its a fascinating topic with lots of not-generally-well-known angles. Link to post Share on other sites
jakeem Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sgt_Markoff said: I've often looked into the history of blackface due to the interest I have in early vaudeville. Its a fascinating topic with lots of not-generally-well-known angles. Thank God for small favors! Link to post Share on other sites
CinemaInternational Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 All it is is soot. Let's not make this into more than it has to be. Chimney sweeps would naturally be clouded over with soot. Soot is black. Nothing unusual there. I never took the scene as blackface. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites
jakeem Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, CinemaInternational said: All it is is soot. Let's not make this into more than it has to be. Chimney sweeps would naturally be clouded over with soot. Soot is black. Nothing unusual there. I never took the scene as blackface. Tell that to Admiral Boom (Reginald Owen) from the first movie. He fired upon the sweeps believing they were Hottentots. Guess he had a South Africa flashback. Link to post Share on other sites
drednm Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Interesting article though maybe a bit of a stretch. Link to post Share on other sites
Dargo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, jakeem said: Tell that to Admiral Boom (Reginald Owen) from the first movie. He fired upon the sweeps believing they were Hottentots. Guess he had a South Africa flashback. Yes, BUT let us not forget what MADE the Hottentots so hot! (...courage) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jakeem Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dargo said: Yes, BUT let us not forget what MADE the Hottentots so hot! (...courage) And what puts the "ape" in apricots... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Sepiatone Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Didn't read total posted article, but found this, in relation to the origin of the word "Hottentot". And DARG! Beat me to it, old boy! The Khoikhoi[a] (updated orthography Khoekhoe, from Khoekhoegowab Khoekhoen [kxʰoekxʰoen]; formerly also Hottentots[2]) are the traditionally nomadic pastoralist non-Bantu indigenous population of southwestern Africa. They are grouped with the hunter-gatherer San under the compound term Khoisan.[3] While it is clear that the presence of the Khoikhoi in southern Africa predates the Bantu expansion, it is not certain by how much, possibly in the Late Stone Age, or displaced by the Bantu expansion to Southeastern Africa.[3] The Khoikhoi maintained large herds of Nguni cattle in the Cape region at the time of Dutch colonisation in the 17th century. Their nomadic pastoralism was mostly discontinued in the 19th to 20th century. Sepiatone 1 Link to post Share on other sites
drednm Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 You hear the use of "Hottentot" in a lot in old British films. It was used as a generic term for any African and sometimes for people from India. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dargo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, CinemaInternational said: All it is is soot. Let's not make this into more than it has to be. Chimney sweeps would naturally be clouded over with soot. Soot is black. Nothing unusual there. I never took the scene as blackface. Well then CI, I certainly hope you're not now implying that SOOT would somehow be inferior to, say, dust or any other dirty substance to be found on earth. 'Cause if you ARE, then you DO know what that would make you, don't ya? Uh-huh, a "Dirtist", or at the very least showing the signs of being an "Anti-Dirtite"! (...yep, kind'a like what Jerry was once called by Kramer...an "Anti-Dentite") 1 Link to post Share on other sites
cigarjoe Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 hours ago, CinemaInternational said: All it is is soot. Let's not make this into more than it has to be. Chimney sweeps would naturally be clouded over with soot. Soot is black. Nothing unusual there. I never took the scene as blackface. Agree 1 Link to post Share on other sites
EricJ Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 7 hours ago, CinemaInternational said: All it is is soot. Let's not make this into more than it has to be. Chimney sweeps would naturally be clouded over with soot. Soot is black. Nothing unusual there. I never took the scene as blackface. Dick Van Dyke's character even explains so, when the kids first meet him on the run from the bank--"Oh, a little dusty, maybe..." Link to post Share on other sites
jakeem Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 hours ago, CinemaInternational said: All it is is soot. Let's not make this into more than it has to be. Chimney sweeps would naturally be clouded over with soot. Soot is black. Nothing unusual there. I never took the scene as blackface. Explain the entire episode to the so-called Hottentots. Link to post Share on other sites
SansFin Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 10 hours ago, jakeem said: And what puts the "ape" in apricots... I put the fun in funeral. I put the laughter in manslaughter. I put the hot in psychotic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Princess of Tap Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 14 hours ago, Sgt_Markoff said: I've often looked into the history of blackface due to the interest I have in early vaudeville. Its a fascinating topic with lots of not-generally-well-known angles. I'll be looking forward to your commentary on black Vaudeville. Link to post Share on other sites
Swithin Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 14 hours ago, Sgt_Markoff said: I've often looked into the history of blackface due to the interest I have in early vaudeville. Its a fascinating topic with lots of not-generally-well-known angles. Fred Mertz appears in blackface in Harmony Lane (1935), a biopic about Stephen Foster. Fred (i.e. William Frawley) plays Edwin Christy of the Christy Minstrels. It's rather a good, low budget movie, with excellent performances by Douglass Montgomery and Evelyn Venable. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
hamradio Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 10 hours ago, Dargo said: Well then CI, I certainly hope you're not now implying that SOOT would somehow be inferior to, say, dust or any other dirty substance to be found on earth. 'Cause if you ARE, then you DO know what that would make you, don't ya? Uh-huh, a "Dirtist", or at the very least showing the signs of being an "Anti-Dirtite"! (...yep, kind'a like what Jerry was once called by Kramer...an "Anti-Dentite") You should see some of our coal miners. Maybe that's why some wants a ban on coal....miners looks so racist. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
jakeem Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 And I thought this was 2019 and not 1919. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
hamradio Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, jakeem said: And I thought this was 2019 and not 1919. Nah, they're just modern as these gals. (hint - Electric not carbide head lamps) Link to post Share on other sites
jakeem Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I wonder when President Wilson will be screening "The Birth of a Nation" at the White House? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
JeanneCrain Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Does that mean the darling black woman who does my monthly mud facials could become offended? 💋 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jakeem Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, JeanneCrain said: Does that mean the darling black woman who does my monthly mud facials could become offended? You've never thought to ask? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Princess of Tap Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, jakeem said: I wonder when President Wilson will be screening "The Birth of a Nation" at the White House? In Woodrow Wilson's day of course there was no television. But he made up for it by screening " The Birth of a Nation " numerous times. Reportedly especially after he had a stroke it was the one thing that he was doing. And now just a hundred years later we've got a president who's doing the same thing. Just watches racist programming all day long. It seems like I can recall that Woodrow Wilson said "The Birth of a Nation " was " history written with lightning ". Link to post Share on other sites
Princess of Tap Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, JeanneCrain said: Does that mean the darling black woman who does my monthly mud facials could become offended? 💋 I bet you give her a big tip. Link to post Share on other sites
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