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Dayton, Ohio 1903

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Some music critics say this song by Randy Newman is a perfect evocation of a time and place. This perhaps is due to the belief I once heard expressed by a well-known actor, that they had used Dayton as a location in their movie script, since it was a place that most everyone had heard of, but few people had actually been there.

This may be the reason that the location of Dayton has been used in such diverse movies and tv shows as Sunset Blvd.[remember the earlier career of Joe Gillis?], Two O'Clock Courage, The King of Comedy, Earth vs. the Flying Saucers, that Twilight Zone episode with Shatner called The Nick of Time, the Mary Hartmann,Mary Hartmann show and it's even used for reality purposes in the current History Channel's series, Project Blue Book. Shoot, even Dirty John Meehan went to college and worked at a hospital in Dayton, oddly enough to add to its mysterious allure.

Randy Newman admits that his song was not actually based on his actual knowledge of Dayton, but he just meant to evoke a time and place of innocence and he picked Dayton out of thin air, thinking it could have been such a town.

I always think Dayton would have possibly been like Serling's imaginary Willoughby but only someone who has been to Dayton can answer that for me. Wouldn't it be great if someone who has actually been to this town is right here at the TCM Lounge. 

This kind of usage of a specific place or location in a movie, that can immediately bring to a viewer's mind a certain feeling of atmosphere, must exist for other places so I will leave it up to the posters here to mention their personal favorites.

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Sorry, can't help you GordonCole. I haven't even been to Dayton, Nevada. Perhaps you recall Saturday Night In Toledo Ohio, by John Denver?

While some don't like it, I enjoy the slightly larger font.

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Are we talking about Dayton, OHIO as the title indicates...I've lived in this town for the last 25 years.

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Watched parts of Dark Passage on MOVIES-TV noir night;    San Francisco is the setting and fits: "This kind of usage of a specific place or location in a movie, that can immediately bring to a viewer's mind a certain feeling of atmosphere".

Of course there are other films that utilize the city in this manner.    

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Are you sure Newman's song wasn't somehow about the Wright Brothers, who were products of Dayton? The town's environment was conducive to their landmark experiments in flight. By the way, they met with success in December 1903 in Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.

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42 minutes ago, Solafide said:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/left-behind-america/

Worth the 55 min watch on Dayton.   Gives you a solid sense of the changes in America and how Dayton, well didn't...interesting to say the least as I live and work here.

Thanks for that.  I'm in NE OH, but have visited Wright-Patterson different times, as I know someone who works there. 

Haven't been anywhere near the city though.

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1 hour ago, Michael Rennie said:

Sorry, can't help you GordonCole. I haven't even been to Dayton, Nevada. Perhaps you recall Saturday Night In Toledo Ohio, by John Denver?

While some don't like it, I enjoy the slightly larger font.

You're a stalwart man and a gentleman.

I salute you and your appreciation of new font sizes. One of my favorite acting in all of movies was when you picked up the music box [at Aunt Bea's where you had rented the room as Mr. Carpenter] and bemusedly smiled as you realized it played a tune. Ya shoulda won an Oscar just for that scene as the world's handsomest alien, and the one where you told the other renters that they were misjudging the Space Man. Good show, MR!

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1 hour ago, Solafide said:

Are we talking about Dayton, OHIO as the title indicates...I've lived in this town for the last 25 years.

Really? What is it like there? Are there little green men living perfectly normal lives that came from Hangar 18 and the Rosewell crash. Are you related to Wilbur and Orville or at least Jonathan Winters? Did you go to Dirty John's wedding in 1990? Did the guy who owned NCR actually coin the word "Fired" when he put an employee's possessions on the lawn and set them afire, and that guy went on to found IBM? Is Dayton on a vortex or ley line formation? Looking forward to your answers...

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57 minutes ago, jakeem said:

Are you sure Newman's song wasn't somehow about the Wright Brothers, who were products of Dayton? The town's environment was conducive to their landmark experiments in flight. By the way, they met with success in December 1903 in Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.

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You'd think so but as I recall, Newman says no, it had no bearing on his song title, though he admits there might have been some subliminal sense of it. Thanx.

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4 minutes ago, GordonCole said:

Really? What is it like there? Are there little green men living perfectly normal lives that came from Hangar 18 and the Rosewell crash. Are you related to Wilbur and Orville or at least Jonathan Winters? Did you go to Dirty John's wedding in 1990? Did the guy who owned NCR actually coin the word "Fired" when he put an employee's possessions on the lawn and set them afire, and that guy went on to found IBM? Is Dayton on a vortex or ley line formation? Looking forward to your answers...

You mean like this? http://moviecollectoroh.com/pics_to_hotlink_on_TCM/forum-ufo.gif   http://moviecollectoroh.com/pics_to_hotlink_on_TCM/forum-twisted.gif

Seriously, one of the neatest things is their experimental aircraft museum on the base.

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1 minute ago, MovieCollectorOH said:

You mean like this? http://moviecollectoroh.com/pics_to_hotlink_on_TCM/forum-ufo.gif   http://moviecollectoroh.com/pics_to_hotlink_on_TCM/forum-twisted.gif

Zowie! 

By the way, John Lear says "Hey!" from the interplanetary command center.

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3 minutes ago, MovieCollectorOH said:

You mean like this? http://moviecollectoroh.com/pics_to_hotlink_on_TCM/forum-ufo.gif   http://moviecollectoroh.com/pics_to_hotlink_on_TCM/forum-twisted.gif

Seriously, one of the neatest things is their experimental aircraft museum on the base.

I heard the important military all lie there about reverse engineering, as we might expect and the only way to get the truth is to talk to anyone who worked the janitorial staff and was privy to underground areas. Thanx!

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3 minutes ago, GordonCole said:

I heard the important military all lie there about reverse engineering, as we might expect and the only way to get the truth is to talk to anyone who worked the janitorial staff and was privy to underground areas. Thanx!

Mum is the word.  I kid you not.

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Since they bring up an opioid problem in that Dayton video, here are what lethal doses of heroin and fentanyl each look like.  It doesn't take much...  It's a horrible problem for us as well, even in our affluent areas.

http://moviecollectoroh.com/pics_to_hotlink_on_TCM/Heroin-Fentanyl-vials-NHSPFL.jpg

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3 hours ago, MovieCollectorOH said:

Since they bring up an opioid problem in that Dayton video, here are what lethal doses of heroin and fentanyl each look like.  It doesn't take much...  It's a horrible problem for us as well, even in our affluent areas.

http://moviecollectoroh.com/pics_to_hotlink_on_TCM/Heroin-Fentanyl-vials-NHSPFL.jpg

It annihilated us here in the whole Miami Valley (surrounding area of Dayton).   Not sure if we solved the problem or if, sadly, most of the users just died.   No family was immune to it.   Transcended race and economics.  

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3 hours ago, GordonCole said:

Really? What is it like there? Are there little green men living perfectly normal lives that came from Hangar 18 and the Rosewell crash. Are you related to Wilbur and Orville or at least Jonathan Winters? Did you go to Dirty John's wedding in 1990? Did the guy who owned NCR actually coin the word "Fired" when he put an employee's possessions on the lawn and set them afire, and that guy went on to found IBM? Is Dayton on a vortex or ley line formation? Looking forward to your answers...

Sorry Gordon, don't think I can answer any of those questions for you LOL.  My late grandfather worked at NCR though.   

Really Dayton was a booming town at one time.   The typical "you go to downtown for everything...shopping, movies, ice cream, ect".   Everything...and I do mean everything moved out to the suburbs.  Industry left all at once...Fridgidaire, NCR, GM (Dayton at one time had more GM plants than Detroit...I'm not kidding).  It is finally starting to recover but still need like a Fortune 500 company to move in.

Good things are happening in downtown with the micro brewery explosion, millenials wanting to live downtown so condos popping up left and right with fitness centers on the river, banks, hotels, restaurants ect...but like I said, the big money is in some huge company choosing Dayton as a home.

We do have a very nice culture though with tons to do as far as the arts go...orchestra, ballet, tons of free unique concerts all summer long.   So its getting there.   Its the best its been in the 25 years I've been so maybe the worst is over.

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5 hours ago, jakeem said:

Are you sure Newman's song wasn't somehow about the Wright Brothers, who were products of Dayton? The town's environment was conducive to their landmark experiments in flight. By the way, they met with success in December 1903 in Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.

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jakeem, if you're familiar with the lyrics of this sweet Randy Newman song, you'd know it probably doesn't have much to do with the Wright brothers. It's just a simple little song about a long-ago time that Newman imagines to be innocent and pleasant. However, thanks for that info about those pioneers of flight, I did not know they had any connection to Dayton Ohio.

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Actually, what the hell, since we're discussing this song we might as well listen to it. A nice little almost 2 minute break:

 

I'd certainly accept that invitation to tea. And I'd leave my hat on.

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Here's the website for the aviation museum at Wright Patterson AFB.  This website is well laid out.  You can go through the museum on your computer.
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/

and here's the section with the experimental aircraft, a collection of some of the most unusual aircraft in the world:
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/R-and-D-Gallery/

http://moviecollectoroh.com/pics_to_hotlink_on_TCM/AF-museum-XB70-Valkyrie.JPG

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11 hours ago, MovieCollectorOH said:

Here's the website for the aviation museum at Wright Patterson AFB.  This website is well laid out.  You can go through the museum on your computer.
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/

and here's the section with the experimental aircraft, a collection of some of the most unusual aircraft in the world:
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/R-and-D-Gallery/

http://moviecollectoroh.com/pics_to_hotlink_on_TCM/AF-museum-XB70-Valkyrie.JPG

Probably one of the best museums to go see in America.   Why?  One, it is free to go to.  Two, it has a TON of aviation history from the earliest experiments in flight to the most modern of aircraft (that we know of lol).  The big white plane you see there is the XB-70 Valkyrie.  Only 2 were made...one was destroyed...this is the only one left in existence.  If you look close in the photo you can se the SR71 Blackbird underneath it.

Lots to see here if you ever travel through Ohio.   The Memphis Belle is also on display here with a large information setup around the plane.  Arrived a year ago.  Very cool to see.  I take my boys here once or twice a year.

Sorry to get off topic.

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23 hours ago, MovieCollectorOH said:

Here's the website for the aviation museum at Wright Patterson AFB.  This website is well laid out.  You can go through the museum on your computer.
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/

and here's the section with the experimental aircraft, a collection of some of the most unusual aircraft in the world:
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/R-and-D-Gallery/

http://moviecollectoroh.com/pics_to_hotlink_on_TCM/AF-museum-XB70-Valkyrie.JPG

Have always wanted to visit this museum. My father who for many years worked for North American Aviation in their El Segundo California factory (right next door to LAX) was part of the team of engineers and planners who worked on the XB-70 and also on the X-15 rocket plane you can see the rear half of just under the XB-70's nose in the foreground here.

And re Randy Newman's "Dayton" song which reminisces about the days gone by in an American rustbelt city and/or laments of its present state of being, I'm reminded of another of his songs in this vein titled "Baltimore" here...

 

(...and then once again in this same vein there's Billy Joel's "Allentown")

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1 hour ago, Dargo said:

Have always wanted to visit this museum. My father who for many years worked for North American Aviation in their El Segundo California factory (right next door to LAX) was part of the team of engineers and planners who worked on the XB-70 and also on the X-15 rocket plane you can see the rear half of just under the XB-70's nose in the foreground here.

And re Randy Newman's "Dayton" song which reminisces about the days gone by in an American rustbelt city and/or laments of its present state of being, I'm reminded of another of his songs in this vein titled "Baltimore" here...

 

(...and then once again in this same vein there's Billy Joel's "Allentown")

That picture doesn't really show just how tall it is.  I was standing underneath it, studying the aircraft under it for some time and sort of forgot I was still underneath it - until I looked up.  Due in part to no landing gear for the nose section, that and the forward section (30 feet tall) being much higher up than the rear section.  Very unusual.  Also notice the forward landing gear being just in front of the jet intakes.  That must have required delicate landings, so as to keep its correct balance.  Sort of reminds me a little of the Concorde in the back, and the windshield reminds me a bit of the Concorde's retractable heat shield which moved up over the windshield when they went into supersonic speed.

https://www.heritageconcorde.com/nose-and-visor-general

 

P.S.  Didn't Randy Newman sing I Love LA?  More upbeat.  Hey I've always wanted to visit LA.

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1 hour ago, MovieCollectorOH said:

That picture doesn't really show just how tall it is.  I was standing underneath it, studying the aircraft under it for some time and sort of forgot I was still underneath it - until I looked up.  Due in part to no landing gear for the nose section, that and the forward section (30 feet tall) being much higher up than the rear section.  Very unusual.  Also notice the forward landing gear being just in front of the jet intakes.  That must have required delicate landings, so as to keep its correct balance.  Sort of reminds me a little of the Concorde in the back, and the windshield reminds me a bit of the Concorde's retractable heat shield which moved up over the windshield when they went into supersonic speed.

https://www.heritageconcorde.com/nose-and-visor-general

 

P.S.  Didn't Randy Newman sing I Love LA?  More upbeat.  Hey I've always wanted to visit LA.

Nice observations about the Valkyrie here, MCOH. And re its landing gear, you might remember that the lone crash of the Concorde SST was attributed to parts of a blown tire being ingested into the engine while taking off.

(...and yeah, Randy sure DID write and sing on his hit recording of "I Love L.A."...and a song this here native Angeleno has always loved...always thought his tongue-in-cheek lyrics perfectly reflected the feeling of the city...and just like how when the Yankees or Knicks win a home game and they play Sinatra's recording of "New York, New York" over the loudspeaker as the spectators depart the venue, in L.A. after a Dodger or Laker home win, they play Randy's recording of his song)

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