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Here is a poll for visitors to the TCM board, this one focusing on favorite male screen star. The keyword is "favorite" as I include those whose career reached its greatest success in television or in lesser big-screen roles. So many of my favorites have passed away having made a strong impression on the small screen or having been typecast in one type of roll throughout their career, without having received from those accomplishments a fair chance at how they might have registered as an A-list movie star for a more varied type of acting career than they actually had. And when some non-A-listers have appeared in big theatrical films, an audience reaction sometimes had given the impression that it was someone who deserved higher consideration than the hyped megastars of the moment. This poll asks, if movie stardom could continue into the next life, which male screen icons would you like to see gain recognition at reaching that very top level of stardom? Or which stars of the past or present would provide the most excitement with their best possible return to the screen? I thought the AFI's "100 Years 100 Stars" list in the late nineties had some silly rules (a star had to appear in a film by 1950, or had died since then so there was a complete career to assess, so mid-50s star James Dean made the list while Paul Newman and Jack Lemmon were ineligible simply for having been alive all that time and still doing great work). Other lists have taken the two unfortunate extremes of (1) purists who look down on those actors who haven't had the same breaks as others or of the more impressively deserving recent ones whose place on an all-time list is still in development, or (2) focusing too much on the most popular ones of the present day without a true sense of cinematic history, and how revolutionary those cases were at that particular time. I figure a TCM viewership would be less likely of that latter offense anyway, than another polled group, such as imdb. I hope to follow up with a favorite female screen stars list, plus one for movies eventually. Maybe even a TV series list if I'm not ushered out of town on the OT rail. If each poll participant provides their favorite 25 male screen stars, then when the poll seems to have reached an ending point, I will do the math (25 points to your top choice, 24 to your number 2, and so on until one point goes to your number 25 choice, and all those points added up for a final ranked list). Since imdb uses a top 250 as the number they use in their polled lists, I thought I would enjoy putting together my own top 250 (counting up the list toward number one for a more fun reveal) to perhaps serve the purpose of helping participants avoid inadvertently leaving one of their own favorites out. Perhaps cutting and pasting this list, putting them in your own order and then inserting favorites you think have been incorrectly omitted would be a good start to composing your own list of your favorite 25 male screen stars. Let the poll begin.
 
250. Dan Aykroyd
249. Patrick Stewart
248. Lloyd Bridges
247. John Carradine
246. Terry-Thomas
245. Hal Holbrook
244. Edward Asner
243. Omar Sharif
242. Jackie Chan
241. Bruce Willis
240. DeForest Kelley
239. Eddie 'Rochester' Anderson
238. Harvey Korman
237. Cantinflas
236. Edmond O'Brien
235. Charles Coburn
234. Peter Finch
233. Robert Vaughn
232. Cameron Mitchell
231. Jerry Seinfeld
230. Richard Chamberlain
229. Alan Arkin
228. Samuel L. Jackson
227. Warren Beatty
226. Michael Keaton
225. Michael Rennie
224. Darren McGavin
223. Henry Winkler
222. Don Rickles
221. James Whitmore
220. Rodney Dangerfield
219. Adam West
218. Oliver Reed
217. Michael Douglas
216. Victor McLaglen
215. John Saxon
214. Red Skelton
213. Lee J. Cobb
212. Alan Hale Jr.
211. Lee Majors
210. Alec Baldwin
209. Mark Hamill
208. Phil Silvers
207. Walter Huston
206. Maurice Chevalier
205. Dick Powell
204. Christopher Lloyd
203. Forrest Tucker
202. Laurence Harvey
201. Leslie Howard
200. Alan Hale Sr.
199. Trevor Howard
198. Tom Cruise
197. Jack Warden
196. Don Knotts
195. Martin Landau
194. Art Carney
193. Ian McKellen
192. Michael J. Fox
191. Danny DeVito
190. George Peppard
189. Milton Berle
188. Larry Hagman
187. Jack Klugman
186. Burgess Meredith
185. Carroll O'Connor
184. Glenn Ford
183. Ralph Richardson
182. Richard Dreyfuss
181. Robert Downey Jr.
180. Albert Finney
179. Martin Sheen
178. Richard Basehart
177. Raymond Burr
176. Ward Bond
175. Barry Fitzgerald
174. Andy Griffith
173. Christopher Reeve
172. Lionel Barrymore
171. James Garner
170. Peter Falk
169. Richard Attenborough
168. Robert Walker
167. Jeff Bridges
166. Karl Malden
165. Martin Balsam
164. Eli Wallach
163. Joseph Cotten
162. Ricardo Montalban
161. Redd Foxx
160. George Burns
159. William S. Hart
158. Pierce Brosnan
157. John Huston
156. Alan Alda
155. Claude Rains

154. Bob Newhart

153. Zero Mostel
152. Robert Ryan
151. John Belushi

150. James Caan

149. William Shatner
148. Fred MacMurray
147. Roger Moore
146. Orson Welles
145. Dick Van Dyke
144. Bill Murray
143. William Powell
142. Jack Palance
141. James Coburn
140. Russell Crowe
139. Jeffrey Hunter
138. John Travolta
137. Randolph Scott
136. Leonardo DiCaprio
135. Roy Scheider
134. Walter Brennan
133. Michael Redgrave
132. Ossie Davis
131. Kevin Costner
130. Donald Sutherland
129. Denzel Washington
128. Christopher Plummer
127. Robert Shaw
126. Sean Penn
125. Rex Harrison
124. Roddy McDowall
123. George Kennedy
122. Robert Wagner
121. Rod Steiger
120. Jack Benny
119. Walter Pidgeon
118. Daniel Day-Lewis
117. Leonard Nimoy
116. Jackie Gleason
115. Joel McCrea
114. Anthony Perkins
113. Max Von Sydow
112. Bruce Lee
111. James Earl Jones
110. Ronald Colman
109. Fredric March
108. Paul Muni
107. Douglas Fairbanks Sr.
106. Charles Boyer
105. Telly Savalas
104. Morgan Freeman
103. John Barrymore
102. Anthony Quinn
101. Lon Chaney Jr.
100. Toshiro Mifune

99. Robert Donat

98. David Niven
97. Paul Robeson
96. Peter Cushing
95. Leslie Nielsen
94. Mickey Rooney
93. Steve Martin
92. Burt Reynolds
91. Mel Gibson
90. Sydney Greenstreet
89. Christopher Lee
88. The Beatles
87. Robert Taylor
86. Ray Milland
85. Richard Widmark
84. Basil Rathbone
83. Ernest Borgnine
82. Tom Hanks
81. Robert Duvall
80. John Garfield
79. Raymond Massey
78. Sylvester Stallone
77. Charles Bronson
76. Takashi Shimura
75. Richard Pryor
74. Montgomery Clift
73. Yul Brynner
72. Lee Marvin
71. William Holden
70. Lon Chaney Sr.
69. Robin Williams
68. Tyrone Power
67. Arnold Schwarzenegger
66. Rock Hudson
65. James Dean
64. Robert Mitchum
63. Robert De Niro
62. Woody Allen
61. Peter Lorre
60. Sammy Davis Jr.
59. Harold Lloyd
58. Alan Ladd
57. Harrison Ford
56. Danny Kaye
55. Tony Curtis
54. Michael Caine
53. Gene Hackman
52. Sean Connery
51. Stan Laurel & Oliver Hardy
50. Bela Lugosi
49. Al Pacino
48. Clint Eastwood
47. The Three Stooges
46. Alec Guinness
45. Richard Burton
44. Dustin Hoffman
43. W.C. Fields
42. Kirk Douglas
41. James Mason
40. Walter Matthau
39. Dean Martin
38. Laurence Olivier
37. Bing Crosby
36. Edward G. Robinson
35. Robert Redford
34. Peter Sellers
33. George C. Scott
32. Buster Keaton
31. Gene Kelly
30. Vincent Price
29. Spencer Tracy
28. Peter O'Toole
27. Clark Gable
26. Jack Nicholson
 
and here are my top 25 for the poll:
 
25. Fred Astaire
24. Marlon Brando
23. Burt Lancaster
22. Bud Abbott & Lou Costello
21. Henry Fonda
20. Gregory Peck
19. The Marx Brothers
18. Boris Karloff
17. Errol Flynn
16. Jerry Lewis
15. Gary Cooper
14. Elvis Presley
13. Charlie Chaplin
12. Jack Lemmon
11. James Cagney
10. Charlton Heston
9. Sidney Poitier
8. James Stewart
7. Frank Sinatra
6. Bob Hope
5. Paul Newman
4. Cary Grant
3. Humphrey Bogart
2. John Wayne
1. Steve McQueen
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31 minutes ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

I've been wondering myself lately, what classic television actors hovered all their careers on the edge of being A-list movie actors without ever quite making it? Who should have made it bigger?

Robert Vaughn. In his case, though, he was content with not being A-list. We were still able to enjoy Vaughn in The Magnificent Seven and Bullitt.

Richard Thomas was close for awhile, but the endless Walton related projects prevented him from ever making it.

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Those are two good picks! Not to hijack the OP's thread--actually I'm still trying to grasp what his question is. Its a juggernaut whatever he's asking for. :blink:

In the meantime, what about Tom Selleck, Bruce Davison, Bruce Boxleitner, John Ritter, Richard Hatch, William Katt, Harry Hamlin, and Dirk Benedict.

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6 minutes ago, jinsinna13 said:

Robert Vaughn. In his case, though, he was content with not being A-list. We were still able to enjoy Vaughn in The Magnificent Seven and Bullitt.

He was absolutely brilliant in The Young Philadelphians.

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1 hour ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

Those are two good picks! Not to hijack the OP's thread--actually I'm still trying to grasp what his question is. Its a juggernaut whatever he's asking for. :blink:

In the meantime, what about Tom Selleck, Bruce Davison, Bruce Boxleitner, John Ritter, Richard Hatch, William Katt, Harry Hamlin, and Dirk Benedict.

Richard Hatch spent his spare time writing Battlestar Galactica novels, and like Robert Vaughn, he was content with not being A-list. Dirk Benedict retired from acting a couple years ago.

I'm a fan of John Ritter. I grew up watching Clifford The Big Red Dog, and his voice was so sweet. I still miss him.

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  1. Robert De Niro
  2. Marlon Brando
  3. Humphrey Bogart
  4. Jack Nicholson
  5. Al Pacino
  6. Robert Mitchum
  7. Gene Hackman
  8. James Cagney
  9. Toshiro Mifune
  10. Daniel Day-Lewis
  11. Dustin Hoffman
  12. Spencer Tracy
  13. Sean Connery
  14. Lee Marvin
  15. John Garfield
  16. William Holden
  17. Jean Gabin
  18. Vincent Price
  19. Edward G. Robinson
  20. George C. Scott
  21. Clint Eastwood
  22. Robert Duvall
  23. Morgan Freeman
  24. Gary Oldman
  25. Tatsuya Nakadai
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1. Errol Flynn

2. Gene Kelly

3. Humphrey Bogart

4. Cary Grant

5. William Holden

6. Robert Mitchum

7. John Garfield

8. Jack Lemmon

9. Fred MacMurray

10. Burt Lancaster

11. Fred Astaire

12. Montgomery Clift

13. Claude Rains

14. Edward G. Robinson

15. James Stewart

16. Rock Hudson

17. Gregory Peck

18. Dick Powell

19. Peter Lorre

20. William Powell

21. Tyrone Power

22. Donald O'Connor

23. Clark Gable

24. Vincent Price

25. Joel McCrea

 

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3 hours ago, Defenestrator said:
Here is a poll for visitors to the TCM board, this one focusing on favorite male screen star. The keyword is "favorite" as I include those whose career reached its greatest success in television or in lesser big-screen roles. So many of my favorites have passed away having made a strong impression on the small screen or having been typecast in one type of roll throughout their career, without having received from those accomplishments a fair chance at how they might have registered as an A-list movie star for a more varied type of acting career than they actually had. And when some non-A-listers have appeared in big theatrical films, an audience reaction sometimes had given the impression that it was someone who deserved higher consideration than the hyped megastars of the moment. This poll asks, if movie stardom could continue into the next life, which male screen icons would you like to see gain recognition at reaching that very top level of stardom? Or which stars of the past or present would provide the most excitement with their best possible return to the screen? I thought the AFI's "100 Years 100 Stars" list in the late nineties had some silly rules (a star had to appear in a film by 1950, or had died since then so there was a complete career to assess, so mid-50s star James Dean made the list while Paul Newman and Jack Lemmon were ineligible simply for having been alive all that time and still doing great work). Other lists have taken the two unfortunate extremes of (1) purists who look down on those actors who haven't had the same breaks as others or of the more impressively deserving recent ones whose place on an all-time list is still in development, or (2) focusing too much on the most popular ones of the present day without a true sense of cinematic history, and how revolutionary those cases were at that particular time. I figure a TCM viewership would be less likely of that latter offense anyway, than another polled group, such as imdb. I hope to follow up with a favorite female screen stars list, plus one for movies eventually. Maybe even a TV series list if I'm not ushered out of town on the OT rail. If each poll participant provides their favorite 25 male screen stars, then when the poll seems to have reached an ending point, I will do the math (25 points to your top choice, 24 to your number 2, and so on until one point goes to your number 25 choice, and all those points added up for a final ranked list). Since imdb uses a top 250 as the number they use in their polled lists, I thought I would enjoy putting together my own top 250 (counting up the list toward number one for a more fun reveal) to perhaps serve the purpose of helping participants avoid inadvertently leaving one of their own favorites out. Perhaps cutting and pasting this list, putting them in your own order and then inserting favorites you think have been incorrectly omitted would be a good start to composing your own list of your favorite 25 male screen stars. Let the poll begin.
 
250. Dan Aykroyd
249. Patrick Stewart
248. Lloyd Bridges
247. John Carradine
246. Terry-Thomas
245. Hal Holbrook
244. Edward Asner
243. Omar Sharif
242. Jackie Chan
241. Bruce Willis
240. DeForest Kelley
239. Eddie 'Rochester' Anderson
238. Harvey Korman
237. Cantinflas
236. Edmond O'Brien
235. Charles Coburn
234. Peter Finch
233. Robert Vaughn
232. Cameron Mitchell
231. Jerry Seinfeld
230. Richard Chamberlain
229. Alan Arkin
228. Samuel L. Jackson
227. Warren Beatty
226. Michael Keaton
225. Michael Rennie
224. Darren McGavin
223. Henry Winkler
222. Don Rickles
221. James Whitmore
220. Rodney Dangerfield
219. Adam West
218. Oliver Reed
217. Michael Douglas
216. Victor McLaglen
215. John Saxon
214. Red Skelton
213. Lee J. Cobb
212. Alan Hale Jr.
211. Lee Majors
210. Alec Baldwin
209. Mark Hamill
208. Phil Silvers
207. Walter Huston
206. Maurice Chevalier
205. Dick Powell
204. Christopher Lloyd
203. Forrest Tucker
202. Laurence Harvey
201. Leslie Howard
200. Alan Hale Sr.
199. Trevor Howard
198. Tom Cruise
197. Jack Warden
196. Don Knotts
195. Martin Landau
194. Art Carney
193. Ian McKellen
192. Michael J. Fox
191. Danny DeVito
190. George Peppard
189. Milton Berle
188. Larry Hagman
187. Jack Klugman
186. Burgess Meredith
185. Carroll O'Connor
184. Glenn Ford
183. Ralph Richardson
182. Richard Dreyfuss
181. Robert Downey Jr.
180. Albert Finney
179. Martin Sheen
178. Richard Basehart
177. Raymond Burr
176. Ward Bond
175. Barry Fitzgerald
174. Andy Griffith
173. Christopher Reeve
172. Lionel Barrymore
171. James Garner
170. Peter Falk
169. Richard Attenborough
168. Robert Walker
167. Jeff Bridges
166. Karl Malden
165. Martin Balsam
164. Eli Wallach
163. Joseph Cotten
162. Ricardo Montalban
161. Redd Foxx
160. George Burns
159. William S. Hart
158. Pierce Brosnan
157. John Huston
156. Alan Alda
155. Claude Rains

154. Bob Newhart

153. Zero Mostel
152. Robert Ryan
151. John Belushi

150. James Caan

149. William Shatner
148. Fred MacMurray
147. Roger Moore
146. Orson Welles
145. Dick Van Dyke
144. Bill Murray
143. William Powell
142. Jack Palance
141. James Coburn
140. Russell Crowe
139. Jeffrey Hunter
138. John Travolta
137. Randolph Scott
136. Leonardo DiCaprio
135. Roy Scheider
134. Walter Brennan
133. Michael Redgrave
132. Ossie Davis
131. Kevin Costner
130. Donald Sutherland
129. Denzel Washington
128. Christopher Plummer
127. Robert Shaw
126. Sean Penn
125. Rex Harrison
124. Roddy McDowall
123. George Kennedy
122. Robert Wagner
121. Rod Steiger
120. Jack Benny
119. Walter Pidgeon
118. Daniel Day-Lewis
117. Leonard Nimoy
116. Jackie Gleason
115. Joel McCrea
114. Anthony Perkins
113. Max Von Sydow
112. Bruce Lee
111. James Earl Jones
110. Ronald Colman
109. Fredric March
108. Paul Muni
107. Douglas Fairbanks Sr.
106. Charles Boyer
105. Telly Savalas
104. Morgan Freeman
103. Michael Caine
102. Anthony Quinn
101. Lon Chaney Jr.
100. Toshiro Mifune

99. Robert Donat

98. David Niven
97. Paul Robeson
96. Peter Cushing
95. Leslie Nielsen
94. Mickey Rooney
93. Steve Martin
92. Burt Reynolds
91. Mel Gibson
90. Sydney Greenstreet
89. Christopher Lee
88. The Beatles
87. Robert Taylor
86. Ray Milland
85. Richard Widmark
84. Basil Rathbone
83. Ernest Borgnine
82. Tom Hanks
81. Robert Duvall
80. John Garfield
79. Raymond Massey
78. Sylvester Stallone
77. Charles Bronson
76. Takashi Shimura
75. Richard Pryor
74. Montgomery Clift
73. Yul Brynner
72. Lee Marvin
71. William Holden
70. Lon Chaney Sr.
69. Robin Williams
68. Tyrone Power
67. Arnold Schwarzenegger
66. Rock Hudson
65. James Dean
64. Robert Mitchum
63. Robert De Niro
62. Woody Allen
61. Peter Lorre
60. Sammy Davis Jr.
59. Harold Lloyd
58. Alan Ladd
57. Harrison Ford
56. Danny Kaye
55. Tony Curtis
54. James Mason
53. Gene Hackman
52. Sean Connery
51. Stan Laurel & Oliver Hardy
50. Bela Lugosi
49. Al Pacino
48. Clint Eastwood
47. The Three Stooges
46. Alec Guinness
45. Richard Burton
44. Dustin Hoffman
43. W.C. Fields
42. Kirk Douglas
41. James Mason
40. Walter Matthau
39. Dean Martin
38. Laurence Olivier
37. Bing Crosby
36. Edward G. Robinson
35. Robert Redford
34. Peter Sellers
33. George C. Scott
32. Buster Keaton
31. Gene Kelly
30. Vincent Price
29. Spencer Tracy
28. Peter O'Toole
27. Clark Gable
26. Jack Nicholson
 
and here are my top 25 for the poll:
 
25. Fred Astaire
24. Marlon Brando
23. Burt Lancaster
22. Bud Abbott & Lou Costello
21. Henry Fonda
20. Gregory Peck
19. The Marx Brothers
18. Boris Karloff
17. Errol Flynn
16. Jerry Lewis
15. Gary Cooper
14. Elvis Presley
13. Charlie Chaplin
12. Jack Lemmon
11. James Cagney
10. Charlton Heston
9. Sidney Poitier
8. James Stewart
7. Frank Sinatra
6. Bob Hope
5. Paul Newman
4. Cary Grant
3. Humphrey Bogart
2. John Wayne
1. Steve McQueen

a very good list with wayne and McQueen in 1st and 2nd spot.

 

"when I want to know how to act tough, I just look at the Duke." -McQueen

Image result for john wayne steve mcqueen movie

 

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Just to note an edit to that primary list: Due to noticing an error (listing James Mason twice), I moved one more choice into the top 100 who clearly belongs there--Michael Caine, and filled his previous lower spot with a most egregious omission from the list--John Barrymore (out of 20 candidates for this consideration also including Conrad Veidt, Bob Hoskins, Thomas Mitchell, Richard Harris, William Bendix, Roger Livesey, Richard Kiel, Lloyd Nolan, James Karen, John Goodman, Tommy Lee Jones, Tony Randall, Everett Sloane, Lorne Greene, Jonathan Harris, E.G. Marshall, Nicolas Cage, James Gandolfini and Patrick MacNee).

Here's another go at defining the poll idea: After this life, we finally have a Heaven with as many stars as there were in Hollywood, and knowing how one is starved for Technicolor up there, we each get to vote on the new pecking order of the 25 greatest male stars who would have their greatest possible return to the screen.

Each person submits a list from 1 to 25 and the opposite number of points is attributed to each choice (25 points to number 1, 24 to number 2 and so on...). I'll do the math at some point when it seems the poll has petered out.

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Just now, Defenestrator said:

Just to note an edit to that primary list: Due to noticing an error (listing James Mason twice), I moved one more choice into the top 100 who clearly belongs there--Michael Caine, and filled his previous lower spot with a most egregious omission from the list--John Barrymore (out of 20 candidates for this consideration also including Conrad Veidt, Bob Hoskins, Thomas Mitchell, Richard Harris, William Bendix, Roger Livesey, Richard Kiel, Lloyd Nolan, James Karen, John Goodman, Tommy Lee Jones, Tony Randall, Everett Sloane, Lorne Greene, Jonathan Harris, E.G. Marshall, Nicolas Cage, James Gandolfini and Patrick MacNee).

Here's another go at defining the poll idea: After this life, we finally have a Heaven with as many stars as there were in Hollywood, and knowing how one is starved for Technicolor up there, we each get to vote on the new pecking order of the 25 greatest male stars who would have their greatest possible return to the screen.

Each person submits a list from 1 to 15 and the opposite number of points is attributed to each choice (25 points to number 1, 24 to number 2 and so on...). I'll do the math at some point when it seems the poll has petered out.

 

1) You only want 15 per list?

2) Do you want only classic studio-era film stars, only American film stars, or any era? If there's a cut-off, when would that be?

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17 hours ago, LawrenceA said:
  1. Robert De Niro
  2. Marlon Brando
  3. Humphrey Bogart
  4. Jack Nicholson
  5. Al Pacino
  6. Robert Mitchum
  7. Gene Hackman
  8. James Cagney
  9. Toshiro Mifune
  10. Daniel Day-Lewis
  11. Dustin Hoffman
  12. Spencer Tracy
  13. Sean Connery
  14. Lee Marvin
  15. John Garfield
  16. William Holden
  17. Jean Gabin
  18. Vincent Price
  19. Edward G. Robinson
  20. George C. Scott
  21. Clint Eastwood
  22. Robert Duvall
  23. Morgan Freeman
  24. Gary Oldman
  25. Tatsuya Nakadai

Interesting that your image is of William Holden, yet he's 16th on your list.  Holden tops my list, mainly for Sunset Blvd.  But also for Born Yesterday, Stalag 17 (your image), Picnic, The Country Girl, Sabrina, The Bridge on the River Kwai, The Bridges at Toko Ri, Love Is a Many-Splendored Thing and for two movies not from the 1950s:  Network and The Wild Bunch.

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On 2/11/2019 at 6:58 PM, Sgt_Markoff said:

How about Bo Hopkins? Seems like he was always just shy of being really big

Steve Forrest, or Frederic Forrest, Robert Forster

does anyone remember Michael Parks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Parks

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Sure I do, Sarge.

When one's a teenager and a fellow motorcyclist and watches Mr. Parks here riding around the country on that Harley Sportster of his in the anthology TV series "Then Back Bronson" back in the late-'60s, it makes quite a lasting impression upon a young person.

(...btw, in regard to TV actors who never quite broke into the movie A-list, I'll add the name of David Janssen here)

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