Opinion to remove John Wayne's name from Orange County Airport

[TheCid]

14 hours ago, cody1949 said:

I am not a liberal or a right wing fanatic, but keep your politics out of it. John Wayne was a legend in the movie industry for almost half of a century and he brought joy and excitement to the everyday man who put their money down to see his films. Don't strip him of the honor.  Remember his final scene in THE SHOOTIST when Ron Howard avenges his murder and throws the gun away and JW approves with his last breath. 

The name of a public, taxpayer supported facility has nothing to do with his abilities as actor, mediocre as they really were.  Hey, I like John Wayne movies for pure entertainment value.  Have several on DVD.

11 hours ago, cody1949 said:

Does it make sense to change the name of the airport on the basis of which political party is gaining control? 

That is how it became John Wayne airport to begin with - politics.

1 hour ago, Sepiatone said:

Well if they're not sure when they buy their ticket, they deserve to be in the dark.   

Sepiatone

Thinking more of the people making connections or layovers.  But still it would be reassuring to know you are on the right plane.

[Sgt_Markoff]

"They knew what they were getting into when they got aboard the plane. I say...let 'em crash!"

[Dargo]

46 minutes ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

"They knew what they were getting into when they got aboard the plane. I say...let 'em crash!"

"Well, that might be true, but I'll tell ya right now here Pilgrim, as long as I'm co-piloting this plane and the hero of this here movie, that's not gonna happen!"

[NipkowDisc]

"at least the passengers aren't freezing their nuts off in that one, pilgrim."

[TikiSoo]

Well, I'm one of "those people" who call an airport by their name, not their city: Dulles, Logan, Bradley, etc. Places like that actually pique my curiosity to know who those people were.

So what if John Wayne wasn't the nicest guy in the world? Who is? Disney? Do we stop seeing FANTASIA or going to DisneyLand because Disney was a chain smoking racist?

I'd much rather we continue to name places in honor of a person we admire for their achievements. We should be able to LEARN FROM their failures, especially personal shortcomings. Especially when their shortcomings are a product of their time and not ours. Times change as well as people, you know.

What frosts me is when some idiotic corporation pays for naming rights to a building simply for marketing purposes. I think it's Louisville that has the YUM! Stadium. YUM! is the conglomerate of Kentucky Fried Chicken, Taco Bell, Pepsi, Pizza Hut, etc who therefore have a monopoly on all the concession stands. More appropriately known as YUK Stadium.

[TomJH]

Interesting how, after all these days, a trivial topic like this still keeps getting responses.

[fxreyman]

9 minutes ago, TomJH said:

Interesting how, after all these days, a trivial topic like this still keeps getting responses.

I definitely did not think my thread here would ultimately have over 100 replies either.

[TomJH]

4 minutes ago, fxreyman said:

I definitely did not think my thread here would ultimately have over 100 replies either.

Wayne still gets a visceral emotional reaction from many. I suspect if it had been the issue of an airport named after some other film celebrity (if there even is such a thing) it wouldn't still be going.

[LornaHansonForbes]

1 hour ago, fxreyman said:

I definitely did not think my thread here would ultimately have over 100 replies either.

I think it's been one of the more interesting threads we've had in quite some time.

[Sgt_Markoff]

I think we should rename all our national airports according to the style of our former WWII forward bomber group bases in England, like the '306th' or the '302nd'. That's the way Duke would've wanted it!

[Dargo]

2 minutes ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

I think we should rename all our national airports according to the style of our former WWII forward bomber group bases in England, like the '306th' or the '302nd'. That's the way Duke would've wanted it!

Nah. Maybe Jimmy Stewart or Clark Gable might have "wanted it" that way and considering that both of them flew bombing missions out of England during that war, but I'm NOT so sure John Wayne would've wanted it.

(...oh-oh...maybe I shouldn't have brought up that counter argument here and to an obviously facetious suggestion, as I'm thinkin' THIS subject might now open up that OTHER ol' can o' worms about ol' Big Duke here...and so just forget I said all that!)

LOL

[jamesjazzguitar]

6 hours ago, fxreyman said:

I definitely did not think my thread here would ultimately have over 100 replies either.

This thread is about a topic that is eating up a lot of public resources,  especially here in CA;  I.e. it is NOT 'trivial' in that regard.

E.g. almost every city \ county school, building,  street,  etc... that is named after someone is being 'reviewed' to determine if the name\title is 'appropriate'.    Public artwork is also under review; (e.g. the Ava Gardner mural with 'sun rays' that offended some Korean activist,  or art that has what looks like a swastika etc....).

As I said before I find this to be a waste of public resources. 

 

   

[CaveGirl]

39 minutes ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

I think we should rename all our national airports according to the style of our former WWII forward bomber group bases in England, like the '306th' or the '302nd'. That's the way Duke would've wanted it!

I think John Waters should have a national airport named after him also.
 

It's only right...

Or they could name one for Pink Flamingos perhaps in Florida?

[TikiSoo]

Haha reminds me of one of my favorite abandoned movie palaces....there are gorgeous glazed tiles of swastikas- most likely made at a famous PA tileworks that relied on traditional European design, especially those with PA "dutch" connections, like the Swastika. There are two gargoyle heads way at the top of the building of devil (krampus style) heads with long Gene Simmons tongues. If it wasn't sitting forgotten in a practically abandoned town it would be a controversial national treasure.

You all realize Christians pretty much removed any imagery of the traditional red devil from US Halloween about two decades ago. You'll find headband horns and sexy red devil costumes, but never any home decorations depicting the "traditional" red devil. (I know-I collect devil imagery)

I'm amazed this survives:

[LawrenceA]

11 minutes ago, TikiSoo said:

(I know-I collect devil imagery)

I used to have quite a bit of that, too, as well as gargoyles, skulls, and Universal-era monster stuff. I got rid of most of it years ago, but I still have this bobblehead on the left, which I use as a bookend with the one on the right:

 

And while I quit smoking nearly a decade ago, I still keep this zippo in case of emergencies:

[Sgt_Markoff]

Wait, why did Christians have red devils removed? Anyway I heart Pennsylvania Dutch country. Its a really wonderful area. I used to go on hayrides and into corn-mazes there in the autumn; Pottstown PA for classic car shows...and Amish food anytime. Really good eatin'...boy lemme tell you wut! Its the kind of place where you can buy "shoo-fly" pies right from women standing on the side of the road selling them from card tables in their yards. And any deli in town has German potato salad and 'Lebanon' -style Bologna, so rich its almost black in hue.

The thing about swastikas (NOT to get off topic here!) reminds me of that kook and his theory on how our pledge-of-allegiance was originally coined by a grassroots socialist group here in America, then got transported to Nazi Germany by Lucky Lindy to become the Hitlerian salute; all of which somehow proves that there are socialists in our very midst right now, here, today --or some such nonsense that only the ole reprobates on the 'off topic' forum here would ascribe to. Nuf said.

[TheCid]

3 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

This thread is about a topic that is eating up a lot of public resources,  especially here in CA;  I.e. it is NOT 'trivial' in that regard.

E.g. almost every city \ county school, building,  street,  etc... that is named after someone is being 'reviewed' to determine if the name\title is 'appropriate'.    Public artwork is also under review; (e.g. the Ava Gardner mural with 'sun rays' that offended some Korean activist,  or art that has what looks like a swastika etc....).

As I said before I find this to be a waste of public resources. 

 

   

Be glad you don't live in the South as it will only get worse here.  The college from which I graduated was founded in part in order to provide a trained military body to suppress any potential slave uprisings.  Most of the campus buildings are named after Confederate officers.

49 minutes ago, TikiSoo said:

Haha reminds me of one of my favorite abandoned movie palaces....there are gorgeous glazed tiles of swastikas- most likely made at a famous PA tileworks that relied on traditional European design, especially those with PA "dutch" connections, like the Swastika. There are two gargoyle heads way at the top of the building of devil (krampus style) heads with long Gene Simmons tongues. If it wasn't sitting forgotten in a practically abandoned town it would be a controversial national treasure.

 

You all realize Christians pretty much removed any imagery of the traditional red devil from US Halloween about two decades ago. You'll find headband horns and sexy red devil costumes, but never any home decorations depicting the "traditional" red devil. (I know-I collect devil imagery)

I'm amazed this survives:

Also, the good "Christians" raised cane with Chrysler Corporation re: the Dodge Demon (based on fantastic Dodge Dart).  Forced them to change the name.  Ironically, Chrysler is bringing it back apparently.  Now it is the Challenger SRT Demon.

 

 

[Sgt_Markoff]

Some finish on that bad boy!

[Dr. Somnambula]

How 'bout some Shoofly Pie from Portland, Oregon:
http://portlandiapielady.com/shoofly-pie/

 

[TikiSoo]

2 hours ago, LawrenceA said:

I still keep this zippo in case of emergencies:

My business name is "Red Hot" and I adopted the red devil as my mascot. All my publicity ads/cards have a different illustration to avoid any controversy. My personal stuff has Red Devils....that Coop devil on the lighter along with Coop's "girl" devil grace a red toolbox that holds my paintbrushes.

Once was you could find all kinds of devil stuff at Halloween, until around 2000 I noticed them rapidly dwindling. No more, just goofy "cute" ghosts and monsters. Bah.

[jamesjazzguitar]

I might have misjudged how this 'remove Wayne's name from the airport' story would play out (that it would quickly go away without a change):

Wayne's 1971 Playboy interview is now being quoted on local talk-radio as well as some of his other 'out there' comments.      So this now has 'legs' and the county supervisors might feel they have to take a stance and put out a vote for the public record.   

 

[TikiSoo]

10 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

I might have misjudged how this 'remove Wayne's name from the airport' story would play out (that it would quickly go away without a change):

Not in this crazy climate....people are offended at every turn. I am amazed at how every individual acts like the entire culture has to be 100% acceptable to whatever belief is in their heads.

Not everyone celebrates Christmas/Rosh Hashanah/Dawali. Not everyone celebrates gay lifestyle. Not everyone celebrates tattoo art. Why can't we all just tolerate other people, ages & cultures? Because it's human nature to be scared of anyone different -when we lived in caves- when singling out strangers mattered.

We now live in a global society & need to stop nit picking every "difference", every "mistake" made in the past. People say things all day long that offend me as a woman....instead of becoming indignant, I try to be the best I can be and show them they're wrong. Getting angry & accusing ignorance never works.  

[Dargo]

5 hours ago, TikiSoo said:

Not in this crazy climate....people are offended at every turn. I am amazed at how every individual acts like the entire culture has to be 100% acceptable to whatever belief is in their heads.

Not everyone celebrates Christmas/Rosh Hashanah/Dawali. Not everyone celebrates gay lifestyle. Not everyone celebrates tattoo art. Why can't we all just tolerate other people, ages & cultures? Because it's human nature to be scared of anyone different -when we lived in caves- when singling out strangers mattered.

We now live in a global society & need to stop nit picking every "difference", every "mistake" made in the past. People say things all day long that offend me as a woman....instead of becoming indignant, I try to be the best I can be and show them they're wrong. Getting angry & accusing ignorance never works.  

Ya know Tiki, I gotta say you're pretty smart for a chick.

(...sorry, couldn't resist)

[Sgt_Markoff]

Where's my white privilege?! I want some reparations to make up for not getting enough.

[Dargo]

9 minutes ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

Where's my white privilege?! I want some reparations to make up for not getting enough.

Well then, maybe you should join that group that advocates for such a thing, Sarge?!

(...question then being of course, how you'd look with a shaved head)