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13 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Was looking for pole strippers / dancers for or against Bloomberg but Buttigieg will not be getting their votes. :lol:

 

Male pole dancers irate over Buttigieg nixing fundraiser at gay nightclub

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2020/01/20/male-pole-dancers-irate-over-buttigieg-nixing-fundraiser-at-gay-nightclub/

 

 

I think I know of a pole dancer named Stormy Daniels who won't be voting for trump. LOL

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As of 11 PM, appears that Sanders will be a couple of points ahead of Buttigieg and Klobuchar will come in a respectable third.  Everybody else might as well pack it in.

Biden is in S.C. making speeches about "99.8%" of Hispanics and blacks have not voted yet.  Seems he is pinning most of his hope on S.C where about 2/3's of Dem primary voters are black.  BUT,  S.C. is overwhelmingly Republican so a win for him here is not really all that representative nationally.

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4 hours ago, TheCid said:

As of 11 PM, appears that Sanders will be a couple of points ahead of Buttigieg and Klobuchar will come in a respectable third.  Everybody else might as well pack it in.

Biden is in S.C. making speeches about "99.8%" of Hispanics and blacks have not voted yet.  Seems he is pinning most of his hope on S.C where about 2/3's of Dem primary voters are black.  BUT,  S.C. is overwhelmingly Republican so a win for him here is not really all that representative nationally.

I agree.  Biden might do the best of any democrat candidate in states like SC in the general but they are going to go GOP anyway.  So at best he adds to the popular vote but loses anyway.

Meanwhile Sanders and possibly others are attractive possibilities in rust belt states that might actually mean something.

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6 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

I agree.  Biden might do the best of any democrat candidate in states like SC in the general but they are going to go GOP anyway.  So at best he adds to the popular vote but loses anyway.

Meanwhile Sanders and possibly others are attractive possibilities in rust belt states that might actually mean something.

I'm not sure Sanders will be all that popular in "rust belt" states with the general electorate when Nov rolls around, assuming he is the nominee.  Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are the states that pretty much decided the 2016 election.  I don't think many workers and middle class voters find Sanders' economic policies very appealing.  Although, all the jobs and new industry that Trump promised have not actually materialized, he will still be the "economy" candidate.

One significant, and mostly overlooked, result of the NH primary is that the Republicans hugely turned out to vote in the Republican primary even though zero chance of Trump not being the nominee.  This shows that he can still get Republican and Republican leaning voters to come out and vote for him.

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It occurred to me that the Dems. have been more successful since 1960 by having presidential candidates that have moderate policy/program positions while appealing to the voters' aspirations.  Kennedy, Carter, Clinton and Obama.   They also focused on improving economy.  The ones who appealed to "liberals," McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis failed terribly.  The others, Humphry, Gore and Kerry couldn't get traction for other reasons.  Although they were probably hurt by the "too liberal" smears by GOP.

While many will say Obama was a liberal, he did not campaign as one nor have any real definite liberal/socialist policy proposals.

As for LBJ, he was a consummate  politician who knew how to win elections.  He also had a very weak opponent (Goldwater) who was the first of the fairly extreme conservative/reactionary Republicans.  Since then the GOPers have got their political act together.

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1 hour ago, TheCid said:

I'm not sure Sanders will be all that popular in "rust belt" states with the general electorate when Nov rolls around, assuming he is the nominee.  Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are the states that pretty much decided the 2016 election.  I don't think many workers and middle class voters find Sanders' economic policies very appealing.  Although, all the jobs and new industry that Trump promised have not actually materialized, he will still be the "economy" candidate.

Sanders beat Clinton in MI and WI,   while Clinton won in OH and PA.       All of these were tight.     I admit that surprised me;  that a self described "socialist" would do so well in those states.

I see a split convention where the moderates combine and support Amy!    (but maybe Bloomberg since he can make the payoff).

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1 hour ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Sanders beat Clinton in MI and WI,   while Clinton won in OH and PA.       All of these were tight.     I admit that surprised me;  that a self described "socialist" would do so well in those states.

I see a split convention where the moderates combine and support Amy!    (but maybe Bloomberg since he can make the payoff).

Bloomberg is definitely the wild card at this point.  As for the Clinton v. Sanders 2016 results, you are correct, but that was in the Dem primary.  I don't think Sanders' socialism will win the independent and moderate Republican votes that he will need.  They will probably go to Trump again.  Or enough of them will.

Saw where the Culinary Union in NV is questioning Sanders' Medicare for All plan.  Not quite, but close to telling their members to not vote for Sanders.  The CU is very important in NV politics.

Saw (on Fox) where Biden is losing support of black voters.  Speculation is that it is peeling off and going to Bloomberg or at least a lot of it.

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22 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Bloomberg is definitely the wild card at this point.  As for the Clinton v. Sanders 2016 results, you are correct, but that was in the Dem primary.  I don't think Sanders' socialism will win the independent and moderate Republican votes that he will need.  They will probably go to Trump again.  Or enough of them will.

Saw where the Culinary Union in NV is questioning Sanders' Medicare for All plan.  Not quite, but close to telling their members to not vote for Sanders.  The CU is very important in NV politics.

Saw (on Fox) where Biden is losing support of black voters.  Speculation is that it is peeling off and going to Bloomberg or at least a lot of it.

So I guess you are saying that not enough people yet see Trump as the cruel despicable inept vindictive dictatorial criminal narcissistic president that he really is and are going to vote for him.  Sad.

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27 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

So I guess you are saying that not enough people yet see Trump as the cruel despicable inept vindictive dictatorial criminal narcissistic president that he really is and are going to vote for him.  Sad.

Note that polling shows that only around 6% are undecided;  I.e. the remaining are either going-to-vote-for-Trump or,  like me,  going-to-vote-for-anyone-but-Trump.

It is my understanding that for these 6% the main item that will determine who they vote for is the lesser-evil  POV:      In the USA,  especially in those moderate \ purple states that will decide the election,   being a "socialist" is more evil then being Trump.

This is why the DNC is for anyone but Sanders.    It might be "sad" but the logic is sound.   

 

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These are 2 reasons why Americans have gotten skeptical of polling

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article196087429.html

 

Add to that, people whom are being polled may not vote when the time comes,  not be a registered voter or better a teenager trying to act like an adult.  In short how do the one's doing the polling know for sure whom they're talking to?

It's like those sex  talk / chat line numbers, the lady on the other end to could be an 70+ year old.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

So I guess you are saying that not enough people yet see Trump as the cruel despicable inept vindictive dictatorial criminal narcissistic president that he really is and are going to vote for him.  Sad.

Doesn't matter.  As James pointed out it is the lesser of two evils.  On top of that it comes down to a few thousand votes in a few states.  They will view it as who will do the most for them as opposed to who will do the most harm.  If the economy is good and the GOP campaign is convincing and the Dem campaign is mediocre, the GOPers win again.  

Remember the US Senate is controlled by the Republicans because they won the most state-wide races in the country.  This also will help Trump.

Another key is that the Republicans are very, very successful at getting their people to vote whereas the Dems aren't.  Look at how many Republicans voted in the useless GOP primary in NH.

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9 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Doesn't matter.  As James pointed out it is the lesser of two evils.  On top of that it comes down to a few thousand votes in a few states.  They will view it as who will do the most for them as opposed to who will do the most harm.  If the economy is good and the GOP campaign is convincing and the Dem campaign is mediocre, the GOPers win again.  

Remember the US Senate is controlled by the Republicans because they won the most state-wide races in the country.  This also will help Trump.

Another key is that the Republicans are very, very successful at getting their people to vote whereas the Dems aren't.  Look at how many Republicans voted in the useless GOP primary in NH.

Thanks, I know all of this.   I'm still having trouble with Americans accepting Trump as the cruel despicable inept vindictive dictatorial criminal narcissistic president as a viable choice.

To me it is beyond belief.  Sad.  Very very sad.  And EVIL>

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1 minute ago, Bogie56 said:

Thanks, I know all of this.   I'm still having trouble with Americans accepting Trump as the cruel despicable inept vindictive dictatorial criminal narcissistic president is a viable choice.

To me it is beyond belief.  Sad.  Very very sad.

"I'm still having trouble with Americans accepting Trump as the cruel despicable inept vindictive dictatorial criminal narcissistic president"

OK, tell us how you really feel. 😀

I do understand how you feel and it angers me as well, but facts is facts.  The Dems have a steep hill to really make America great again. 

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Trump is a sleazebag, many Americans are sleazebags. Do the math. :)

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Iowa Democratic Party chairman Tony Price resigns after state's caucus disaster
 
"While it is my desire to stay in this role and see this process through to completion, I do believe it is time for the Iowa Democratic Party to begin looking forward, and my presence in my current role makes that more difficult," Price says.

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13 hours ago, Gershwin fan said:

Latest polls from YouGov-

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I still don't understand these reports.  There are too many colors too close together to make sense of the chart.  Then, what is the significance of the separate NH primary chart?  Was this a poll done after the NH primary?  During the NH primary?  552 "likely" voters from NH or US.  That's not many, even for NH.

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There was a post in another thread re: commentators stating that Buttieg and Klobuchar's total votes outweighed Sanders as far as moderate vs. socialist/liberal goes.

I thought the same thing yesterday to show that there are a sizable number of voters who do not want Sanders' Socialism.  Of course, to be fair you should probably add Sanders and Warren totals compared to Buttigieg and Klobuchar totals.  Then add Bidens to B and K's. 

By my math that shows 156,174 for moderates and 103,174 for socialists.

And in Nov, it will essentially be a two person race

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1 hour ago, TheCid said:

I still don't understand these reports.  There are too many colors too close together to make sense of the chart.  Then, what is the significance of the separate NH primary chart?  Was this a poll done after the NH primary?  During the NH primary?  552 "likely" voters from NH or US.  That's not many, even for NH.

I don't understand why the last 2 don't drop out and be done with it.  What are they hoping to accomplish? :wacko:

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1 hour ago, hamradio said:

I don't understand why the last 2 don't drop out and be done with it.  What are they hoping to accomplish? :wacko:

Do you mean Bennet and Patrick? They both did drop out a few days ago. Someone posted about it somewhere on here, but it probably got lost in the mix.

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Bloomberg calls Trump a 'carnival barking clown' after president labels him a 'tiny version' of Jeb Bush

"Behind your back they laugh at you ..." the former NYC mayor tweeted.
 
.........Trump said. "He hates Crazy Bernie and will, with enough money, possibly stop him. Bernie’s people will go nuts!"

Bloomberg snapped back on Twitter, saying that he and Trump "know many of the same people in NY."

"Behind your back they laugh at you & call you a carnival barking clown," Bloomberg continued. "They know you inherited a fortune & squandered it with stupid deals and incompetence. I have the record & the resources to defeat you. And I will."

Bloomberg mentioned Trump's remarks during a campaign event in North Carolina on Thursday.......

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-bloomberg-trade-blows-president-targets-democratic-contender-n1136296

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"Somebody said, you know, that he's tall and he calls me little Mike, and the answer is, Donald, where I come from we measure your height from your neck up," he said, adding, "I am not afraid of Donald Trump. Donald Trump is afraid of us, and that's why he keeps tweeting all the time."

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7 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Bloomberg calls Trump a 'carnival barking clown' after president labels him a 'tiny version' of Jeb Bush

"Behind your back they laugh at you ..." the former NYC mayor tweeted.
 
.........Trump said. "He hates Crazy Bernie and will, with enough money, possibly stop him. Bernie’s people will go nuts!"

Bloomberg snapped back on Twitter, saying that he and Trump "know many of the same people in NY."

"Behind your back they laugh at you & call you a carnival barking clown," Bloomberg continued. "They know you inherited a fortune & squandered it with stupid deals and incompetence. I have the record & the resources to defeat you. And I will."

Bloomberg mentioned Trump's remarks during a campaign event in North Carolina on Thursday.......

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-bloomberg-trade-blows-president-targets-democratic-contender-n1136296

:)

"Somebody said, you know, that he's tall and he calls me little Mike, and the answer is, Donald, where I come from we measure your height from your neck up," he said, adding, "I am not afraid of Donald Trump. Donald Trump is afraid of us, and that's why he keeps tweeting all the time."

When Marco Rubio or Lindsay Graham called Trump a fake tv reality star who was given his fortune it did not resonate.  And it probably won't when Sanders or Klobachar make the same point.  Trump would turn and say 'you haven't created jobs or made a fortune.'  He cannot make that argument with Bloomberg when Bloomberg calls him a fake.

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Trump biographer, Tim O'Brien who is now working on the Bloomberg campaign was on Anderson Cooper last night.  According to O'Brien the DNC has 8 million dollars in their war chest.  The GOP has over 100 million and he expects another 900 million in dark money to come in before the election.  Bloomberg's financial participation will continue whether he is the nominee or not.  He sees this as a lifetime legacy to right the ship when there is a fire alarm fire in the WH.

I must say that Bloomberg is ten times smarter than good old Joe Biden.  He is smarter than the entire bunch nominees and makes Tump look like an intellectual midget.

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