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16 hours ago, mr6666 said:

VoteVetsVerified account @votevets 24m24 minutes ago

 

“Much like the first briefing on the threat that I received on Friday,

nothing in the intelligence that I received today indicates that the Administration would be justified in starting a war with Iran." - @RepRubenGallego on #Iran intelligence briefing

#EndForeverWar

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I would add that Sen. Graham is a retired Air Force Reserve JAG colonel.  He never actually (IMO) served in a combat zone on a tour of duty.  He has long lobbied for massive spending on the military.

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https://www.projectcensored.org/12-us-quietly-established-new-anti-propaganda-center/

On December 23, 2016, then-president Obama signed the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). As Sarah Lazare reported for AlterNet, the 2017 NDAA included a provision to create a new federal center with “sweeping” surveillance powers to counter foreign “propaganda and disinformation.” The Global Engagement Center, Lazare wrote, will be granted “broad and ill-defined powers to surveil the ‘populations most susceptible to propaganda,’ compile reporting and social media messaging critical of the U.S. government and disseminate pro-American propaganda.” The NDAA set aside $160 million to be used in fighting propaganda and disinformation deemed unfavorable to US interests.

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Saudi Arabia's foreign minister says Muslim nations must confront recent attacks blamed on Iran with "all means of force and firmness."

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Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson 16h16 hours ago

 

Saudi Arabia wants war with Iran.

They had a peaceful option before them—a nuclear deal the whole world agreed Iran was *complying* with

—and they chose, instead, the path of death and destruction for no reason other than that their current government is dedicated to those values.

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4 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

The Associated PressVerified account @AP

 
 
 
 

Saudi Arabia's foreign minister says Muslim nations must confront recent attacks blamed on Iran with "all means of force and firmness."

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Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson 16h16 hours ago

 

Saudi Arabia wants war with Iran.

They had a peaceful option before them—a nuclear deal the whole world agreed Iran was *complying* with

—and they chose, instead, the path of death and destruction for no reason other than that their current government is dedicated to those values.

I looked up Seth Abramson.  Hardly an authority of Middle Eastern affairs, much less the conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

SA may want war with Iran, but they sure as hell don't want to fight it.  Israel is more likely to want war with Iran, but they don't want to fight it either.  Both want the US to fight Iran.

The major conflict between Iran and SA is that one is **** and the other is Sunni Muslim.  Both want to dominate the Middle East as well.   Iranian leaders that actually control the country do not trust the US and for good reason.  Iran has supported terrorist and other activities that are counter to US interests in the area so that they can dominate it.  Of course in their view, they are supporting activities which will help to protect them from the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

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The Suspicious Twitter Network Trolling for Regime Change in Iran

An American non-profit says it’s been the victim of a harassment campaign.

"..... The accounts often tweet messages backing regime change in Iran and calling for an end to the rule of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Many of the accounts also frequently voice their support for the People’s Mujahedin of Iran (MEK), a militant opposition group that some have called a terrorist organization, and its leader Maryam Rajavi.

The accounts also frequently criticize the National Iranian American Council (NIAC)—a non-profit representing Iranians in the U.S.—claiming it advocates in support of Iran’s current religious authorities. There is no evidence to suggest this is true, and NIAC firmly denies the assertion. .......

..... “The goal of these attacks is simple: to divide and weaken our community. To ensure that Iranian Americans do not have a voice, do not hold influential positions in Washington D.C., do not run for office and build political power, ........

” The accounts appeared to have been created to mislead by posing as news organizations, journalists, and under other false identities, and to spread information about “political and social issues in Iran and globally,” ....

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/06/twitter-iran-bots-mek/

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This was on a new episode of "What on Earth" showing Iran secretly testing solid rocket engines. The worry is how fast this technology is improving.  

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41 minutes ago, hamradio said:

This was on a new episode of "What on Earth" showing Iran secretly testing solid rocket engines. The worry is how fast this technology is improving.  

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So?  Need to remember Iran is fearful of US, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.

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1 hour ago, TheCid said:

So?  Need to remember Iran is fearful of US, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Iran is allied with Russia.

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Things have come full circle. The Iran is going to attack U.S. forces bs is now the

Now that we're here they've had second thoughts bs.

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15 hours ago, Gershwin fan said:

Iran is allied with Russia.

For now, but not always so.  And may yet change again.  Iran has a long, long memory of how it has been threatened in the past.  In addition, the new Russia is something between a "Christian" nation and an agnostic one.

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why do stupid liberals fret over us attacking iran since it is a long overdue comeuppance for them hateful fanatic scum for the events of 1979.

it's about time they got a lesson taught. they won't be sponsoring anything after we get through with them.

:)

 

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1 hour ago, NipkowDisc said:

why do stupid liberals fret over us attacking iran since it is a long overdue comeuppance for them hateful fanatic scum for the events of 1979.

it's about time they got a lesson taught. they won't be sponsoring anything after we get through with them.

:)

 

40 years is a bit LATE for any reprisals. Over half the Iranian population living today wasn't born yet and the same number has passed on.

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yet can it be denied the world as a whole will be a little bit more safer with iran neutralized.

 

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50 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

yet can it be denied the world as a whole will be a little bit more safer with iran neutralized.

 

Iran only needs a regime change. Their people should understand this long standing hatred toward the US and MORE towards Israel serves no purpose for them economically.  It also isolates them from their neighbors.

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4 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Iran only needs a regime change. Their people should understand this long standing hatred toward the US and MORE towards Israel serves no purpose for them economically.  It also isolates them from their neighbors.

Maybe we should bring back the Shah of Iran.

That US puppet certainly did Serve the People of his country well. LOL

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4 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

Maybe we should bring back the Shah of Iran.

That US puppet certainly did Serve the People of his country well. LOL

I'll settle for a moderate. Do you want another Ahmadnutjob?

It be scary to have a 40 year old corpse ruling the country. ;)

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1 minute ago, hamradio said:

I'll settle for a moderate. Do you want another Ahmadnutjob?

It be scary to have a 40 year old corpse ruling the country. ;)

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I believe the Shah has a son alive and well here in the United States who could easily take his place. It's always good to remember that the people of a country have a history and they sometimes even have feelings about how they've been treated in the past.

The history of the Shah and there's been more than one, could easily have a lot to do with the way they feel today.

When I was in college the Shahs agents used to come on campus and kidnap Iranian students. They would just disappear.

Countries do not live in a vacuum, Americans like to forget the past but other people have good memories.

History is very simple. You are where you are today because of your history.

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4 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

I believe the Shah has a son alive and well here in the United States who could easily take his place. It's always good to remember that the people of a country have a history and they sometimes even have feelings about how they've been treated in the past.

The history of the Shah and there's been more than one, could easily have a lot to do with the way they feel today.

When I was in college the Shahs agents used to come on campus and kidnap Iranian students. They would just disappear.

Countries do not live in a vacuum, Americans like to forget the past but other people have good memories.

History is very simple. You are where you are today because of your history.

As an officer in the Army being trained to operate in the Middle East one of the things they drilled into us was for the Arabs and the Persians (Iranians), their history is thousands of years old.  What happened a thousand years ago is fresh to them, e.g. The Crusades.  Americans tend to think that whatever happened 25 years ago is ancient history and no longer relevant.

Of course, how could we expect the Iranians to trust us when we openly favor Israel above all others and Saudi Arabia next.

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I heard a joke some time back, a moderate Arab (or Persian) is one that holds a grudge for less than a thousand years.

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5 hours ago, TheCid said:

As an officer in the Army being trained to operate in the Middle East one of the things they drilled into us was for the Arabs and the Persians (Iranians), their history is thousands of years old.  What happened a thousand years ago is fresh to them, e.g. The Crusades.  Americans tend to think that whatever happened 25 years ago is ancient history and no longer relevant.

Of course, how could we expect the Iranians to trust us when we openly favor Israel above all others and Saudi Arabia next.

There's some indigenous people here that has bitter resentment with the Columbus landing thing. That's over 500 years.  Unknown if Columbus groped anyone while in school, certain some progressives are researching.

 

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3 minutes ago, hamradio said:

I heard a joke some time back, a moderate Arab (or Persian) is one that holds a grudge for less than a thousand years.

How long have you felt that every country which is not partial to the politics of the United States deserves a regime change and for the American government to go in there and do something about it.

Do a people have a right to their own sovereignty and their own opinions?

10 hours ago, hamradio said:

Iran only needs a regime change. Their people should understand this long standing hatred toward the US and MORE towards Israel serves no purpose for them economically.  It also isolates them from their neighbors.

 

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8 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

How long have you felt that every country which is not partial to the politics of the United States deserves a regime change and for the American government to go in there and do something about it.

Do a people have a right to their own sovereignty and their own opinions?

 

Got to thinking about the 1973 coup in Chile by which a democratic socialist (Allende) whom was elected  overthrown.  I disagree with our involvement in that.

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