Democrats Begin Impeachment of Trump

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[mr6666]

Donald Trump is 'Getting Impeached,' Former White House Ethics Chief Predicts: 'It's Happening'

....Pelosi's choice to delay impeachment proceedings has also drawn the ire of the Democrats across America. A Politico/Morning Consult poll published on Wednesday found that, although 37 percent of voters support impeachment proceedings, 70 percent of Democrats want such proceedings to begin.

In other tweets he wrote on Thursday morning, Painter voiced a common sentiment among those who support impeachment.

 

"2020 will be a disaster for Democrats if ⁦@SpeakerPelosi doesn't get out of the way. ⁦@RepJerryNadler⁩ is just trying to do his job," he wrote. "House Judiciary Chair@JerryNadler is trying to do his job to uphold the Constitution, and@SpeakerPelosi won't let him. She needs to resign NOW.".....

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-getting-impeached-former-white-house-ethics-chief-predicts-its-happening-1460216?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter

[mr6666]

Schiff threatens to sue over secret whistleblower complaint

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/19/trump-denies-comment-foreign-leader-whistleblower-1502945

[mr6666]

Kyle Griffin

 

@kylegriffin1

 

"Trump's interaction with the foreign leader included a 'promise' that was regarded as so troubling that it prompted an official in the U.S. intelligence community to file a formal whistleblower complaint with the inspector general for the intel community, said the officials."

 

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-intelligence-whistleblower-complaint/h_e4a13d5dfaf972124a15cbc36b2dde72

[hamradio]

People could  have better results removing Trump come 2020 - it's called the ballot box. 

[Sukhov]

Trump will definitely be impeached any day now.... Any day....

[hamradio]

11 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said:

Trump will definitely be impeached any day now.... Any day....

On the edge of my seat, the suspense is killing me. 

[Princess of Tap]

10 hours ago, hamradio said:

People could  have better results removing Trump come 2020 - it's called the ballot box. 

Impeachment is in the US Constitution.

Believe it or not, there's more to the US Constitution than the Second Amendment.

[TheCid]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/18/pelosi-nadler-schism-impeachment-1501755“Personally, I think the president ought to be impeached,” Nadler told WNYC’s Brian Lehrer on Monday in his strongest comments to date backing impeachment. But Nadler also acknowledged Democrats “cannot impeach the president against the will of the American people,” reiterating the point Pelosi has hammered again and again since she returned to the speakership in January.

A POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released Wednesday shows 37 percent of voters support beginning impeachment proceedings, while 50 percent oppose doing so; 12 percent are undecided. 

The title of this thread is misleading and incorrect.  The Democrats have NOT began impeachment of Trump.  They are still investigating Trump's activities.

Also, the president cannot be "impeached from office" as some sources have stated.  The House impeaches and the Senate convicts.

[TheCid]

I have posted something on the Impeachment  AND Conviction thread.

Summary is that until Nancy Pelosi says there will be a hearing on impeaching the president, the House is not impeaching the president.

 

[mr6666]

 

Nancy Pelosi

 

@SpeakerPelosi

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29m

 

The Trump Admin is clearly violating federal statute by blocking the head of US Intelligence from providing Congress with a whistleblower complaint described as being of "urgent concern & credible.”

 

The stonewalling must end. What is the President hiding?

 

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Yeah....okay....

 

so just WHAT are YOU gonna DO about it??

 

[mr6666]

Ted Lieu

 

@tedlieu

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19h

 

Inherent contempt allows Congress to fine individuals.

Would this be litigated like everything else?

Yes, but the litigants take the risk that if they lose, they will be financially liable. That is a powerful deterrent to force

@realDonaldTrump

officials to comply with the law.

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& JUST DO IT!    Wadda they afraid of?

at least try & show they're serious & NOT hypocritical Wimps!

[jamesjazzguitar]

17 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Ted Lieu

 

@tedlieu

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19h

 

Inherent contempt allows Congress to fine individuals.

Would this be litigated like everything else?

Yes, but the litigants take the risk that if they lose, they will be financially liable. That is a powerful deterrent to force

@realDonaldTrump

officials to comply with the law.

================================

& JUST DO IT!    Wadda they afraid of?

at least try & show they're serious & NOT hypocritical Wimps!

Just do what?      Also,  to just 'try and show' one is serious means one is NOT serious.

 

[LawrenceA]

27 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Just do what? 

Hold those who refuse to comply with Congressional subpoenas and/or questioning in contempt and fine them.

[jamesjazzguitar]

53 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

Hold those who refuse to comply with Congressional subpoenas and/or questioning in contempt and fine them.

Ok,  so here is yet another House Dem complaining about Pelosi.

 

[LawrenceA]

2 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Ok,  so here is yet another House Dem complaining about Pelosi.

I'm not sure if it's the Speaker or the committee head that would decide on pressing contempt charges and assigning fines. I would think the committee head, but I could be wrong.

[jamesjazzguitar]

4 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

I'm not sure if it's the Speaker or the committee head that would decide on pressing contempt charges and assigning fines. I would think the committee head, but I could be wrong.

I would also think it is the committee head and if true,  that means Nadler.   I find it hard to believe Nadler wouldn't press contempt charges and assign fines.      Therefore if Nadler has the authority of office to do so,  the only reason he hasn't done so, would be because Pelosi has asked him not to.

 

[mr6666]

John Harwood

 

@JohnJHarwood

 

is whistleblower/Ukraine situation changing Pelosi’s view on potential Trump impeachment?

 

adviser tells me:

 

“no. see any GOP votes for it?”

12:44 PM · Sep 21, 2019

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-Heck....jury's rigged....so why bring a criminal to trial at all?? 

 

ya KNOW the rest of the world IS watching.....

 

[mr6666]

 

@NPR

 

In an exclusive interview with NPR, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says

she has not changed her mind on pursuing impeachment,

 

but is ready to change the law to restrain presidential power and to make it clear that a sitting president can, in fact, be indicted. https://n.pr/2ABK9k6

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@KevinMKruse

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Sep 20

 

Looks like Trump could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and he wouldn’t lose

@SpeakerPelosi

either.

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Justin Amash

 

@justinamash

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20h

 

Congress doesn’t need this legislation to hold a president accountable,

and it’s not even good policy to allow a sitting president to be indicted.

Moreover, the Constitution already provides a remedy: It’s called impeachment......

[TheCid]

Bill Clinton was impeached for lying under oath (perjury) and also obstruction of justice in 1998 before the elections.  Only two things that the Republican dominated House could get passed.  Then the Senate (55 GOP vs. 45 Dem) voted 55 against and 45 for perjury and then 50/50 on obstruction of justice after the elections. 

The election that year, held while all this was going on, resulted in GOP losing 5 House seats and breaking even on Senate races.

So, bottom line, GOP could not even get a majority, much less a 2/3's vote to convict in a Senate they controlled. AND they LOST seats in the House and gained none in the Senate.

[mr6666]

 

Manu Raju

 

@mkraju

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5h

 

New Pelosi warning:

“If the Administration persists in blocking this whistleblower from disclosing to Congress a serious possible breach of constitutional duties by the President,

they will be entering a grave new chapter of lawlessness”

and “a whole new stage of investigation.”

 

[mr6666]

 

 

@SethAbramson

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....4/ Trump's acts also constituted "high crimes or misdemeanors" (confusingly, a historical, constitutional, and political standard, not a criminal one) by engaging in Abuse of Power and violations of his Oath of Office.

Claiming only one of these things is true is a *grave* error.........

 

11/ Dems should announce that the impeachment threshold has been reached on 15+ counts—which it has

 

—but that investigations will continue, so all allegations can be made at once.

 

Then impeach pre-election and seek conviction with a new—hopefully Democratic and uncorrupted—Senate.

 

see: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1175803337616351232

 

 

[mr6666]

@SethAbramson

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6h

 

2/ Trump's negotiations with Ukraine, via Giuliani and Cohen and others, have focused on investigations into Manafort, Clinton, and Biden—and possible sanctions relief for Putin

 

—and have always been connected to Ukraine policy. That was even true in summer 2016, *pre-election*........

 

......Trump and Giuliani worked for months and months and months to stop Ukraine's Trump-endangering Manafort investigation,

provoke a Clinton investigation, and provoke a Biden investigation,

all while Trump was in control of America's Ukraine policy?.......

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1175812204693741568

 

[mr6666]

 

.........there is no check on the president’s behavior if Congress does not meet its responsibilities as a co-equal branch of government.

America will be ‘left with a potential dictatorship’ unless Congress impeaches Trump:

“I think the question is, has he done enough to start impeachment hearings? For sure!” she said. “And the Congress has to ask themselves are we going to have a check on the office of the presidency?

Because the judicial branch is out — the judicial branch is out, pursuant to the OLC memo banning the federal prosecutors from prosecuting the president. The only potential ticket can come from the Congress… if Congress doesn’t act, then they’re abdicating their congressional prerogative and we’re going to be left with a potential dictatorship.”

CNN’s Gloria Borger then chimed in to say that “Congress needs to start doing its job and be firm about it.”......

 

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/america-will-be-left-with-a-potential-dictatorship-unless-congress-impeaches-trump-former-federal-prosecutor/

[TheCid]

15 hours ago, mr6666 said:

 

.........there is no check on the president’s behavior if Congress does not meet its responsibilities as a co-equal branch of government.

America will be ‘left with a potential dictatorship’ unless Congress impeaches Trump:

“I think the question is, has he done enough to start impeachment hearings? For sure!” she said. “And the Congress has to ask themselves are we going to have a check on the office of the presidency?

Because the judicial branch is out — the judicial branch is out, pursuant to the OLC memo banning the federal prosecutors from prosecuting the president. The only potential ticket can come from the Congress… if Congress doesn’t act, then they’re abdicating their congressional prerogative and we’re going to be left with a potential dictatorship.”

CNN’s Gloria Borger then chimed in to say that “Congress needs to start doing its job and be firm about it.”......

 

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/america-will-be-left-with-a-potential-dictatorship-unless-congress-impeaches-trump-former-federal-prosecutor/

Congress IS doing its job.  There are 3 or 4 committees investigating Trump and the Trump administration.  Building a case thoroughly but surely.

Pelosi's plan is working.  If the Dems had impeached Trump when many people cited here and elsewhere wanted him impeached, we would be in the trial process now with only about 25% of the evidence we now have.  The American voters would not be accepting it as anything more than sore losers.