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26 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Congress IS doing its job.  There are 3 or 4 committees investigating Trump and the Trump administration.  Building a case thoroughly but surely.

Pelosi's plan is working.  If the Dems had impeached Trump when many people cited here and elsewhere wanted him impeached, we would be in the trial process now with only about 25% of the evidence we now have.  The American voters would not be accepting it as anything more than sore losers.

Unless you get your news from Fox “News” or another alt-right purveyor of the real Fake News, you would know things have changed in the past few days.  A whistleblower has filed an alarming report; Trump has apparently committed more impeachable offenses that are coming to light.  Well, not fully coming to light yet, since Trump is again trying to obstruct justice and not let Congress see the report, as mandated by law.  Trump has basically confessed to the wrongdoing, along with his sideshow “lawyer” Rudy Nosferatu Giuliani.  

This is happening in real time, and even Pelosi has now called a meeting today of her caucus.  Many Dems reluctant for impeachment are now jumping on the bandwagon.  They have no other choice; Donald Trump keeps giving them ammunition.  The jerk thought he was fully exonerated from collusion with a foreign power to sway our election, and obstruction of justice in this matter.  So the fool turns around, literally the next day, and does this again.  But now he appears to attempt to bribe the foreign power, for his personal gain in the 2020 elections.  Truly, he thinks he is above the law.  He has been asking for this, and hopefully the Democrats will give it to him!

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31 minutes ago, Arturo said:

Unless you get your news from Fox “News” or another alt-right purveyor of the real Fake News, you would know things have changed in the past few days.  A whistleblower has filed an alarming report; Trump has apparently committed more impeachable offenses that are coming to light.  Well, not fully coming to light yet, since Trump is again trying to obstruct justice and not let Congress see the report, as mandated by law.  Trump has basically confessed to the wrongdoing, along with his sideshow “lawyer” Rudy Nosferatu Giuliani.  

This is happening in real time, and even Pelosi has now called a meeting today of her caucus.  Many Dems reluctant for impeachment are now jumping on the bandwagon.  They have no other choice; Donald Trump keeps giving them ammunition.  The jerk thought he was fully exonerated from collusion with a foreign power to sway our election, and obstruction of justice in this matter.  So the fool turns around, literally the next day, and does this again.  But now he appears to attempt to bribe the foreign power, for his personal gain in the 2020 elections.  Truly, he thinks he is above the law.  He has been asking for this, and hopefully the Democrats will give it to him!

I am well aware of all that.  I get my news primarily from CNN, HLN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC and CBS, as well as daily newspaper.

What I am saying is that the process is an ongoing one and is proceeding at the appropriate pace.  Also that by taking this long a lot more damaging information has become available which may not have been revealed if it was already before the Senate.  Make no mistake, once it gets to the Senate McConnell will push to get it over with as soon as possible.  With CJ John Roberts presiding, he'll probably go along with that.

Maybe today is the day Pelosi says Do It.  She knows what is at stake and how the system works.  I will admit that the whistle blower controversy may seal the deal.

Just saw a couple of freshmen Congresspersons on the news.  One said we don't need to worry about the politics, just defend the Constitution.  YOU always have to worry about the politics.

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Trump Put Hold on Military Aid Ahead of Phone Call With Ukraine’s President

Administration’s review of military funds to the country is at center of broadening probe

President Trump asked his acting chief of staff to place a hold on $391 million in aid to Ukraine more than a week before a July phone call in which he urged his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate Joe Biden’s son, ......

https://www.wsj.com/articles/president-trump-repeats-criticism-of-biden-in-impromptu-u-n-appearance-11569254230

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-that's why they need entire whistleblower complaint........

NOT just the transcript of the ONE phone call !!

<_<

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Pelosi Announces Formal Impeachment Inquiry Into President Trump

After months of expressing caution on a push for impeachment, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi launched a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump Tuesday.

"The president must be held accountable," Pelosi said. "No one is above the law."

"I'm announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry."

The landmark move comes after controversy over a phone call Trump had with the newly elected Ukranian leader in July and reporting that the president pressured him to investigate political rival, Joe Biden.......

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/24/763700264/trumps-ukraine-call-may-be-game-changer-on-impeachment?utm_campaign=npr&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_term=nprnews&amp;utm_source=twitter.com

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15 hours ago, mr6666 said:
 
As of 2 PM the total number of members of Congress that have announced their support for impeaching Donald Trump
 
now stands at 172.
 
27 members since last night alone.

Current division in House:  Dem - 235; R- 199; I - 1.  Takes 218 (219?) to impeach. 172 is 73% of Dems.

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impeachment finally comes to the democrats after their long ordeal of hate.

the great miscarriage of justice of no president Hillary will finally be righted.

I myself thought Pelosi would hold out for 85% but she is satisfied with 75% house dem impeachment fervor hysteria.

allow me to say as a trump supporter I am just so terrified for my president.

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So: In order to get dirt on a political opponent,
 
the president removed a U.S. ambassador,
 
used (paid?) a private citizen to threaten a foreign government,
 
personally called a foreign leader, and delayed disbursing appropriated funds for that nation.
 
All to get dirt on Joe Biden.
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3 hours ago, mr6666 said:
 
 
Worst tactician of our lifetimes

is now telling Democrats impeachment should only be about Ukraine.

Why would you protect Trump on everything else?

Why wouldn't you fire everything in your arsenal?

This is crossing over from incompetence to inexplicable complicity.

:blink:  :huh:

Pelosi, top Democrats favor quick, narrow Trump impeachment probe focused on Ukraine

 

Speaker Nancy Pelosi and senior House Democrats agreed in a private meeting Wednesday that they should narrow their impeachment investigation of President Trump to his dealings with the president of Ukraine, according to five Democrats familiar with the conversation. .......

 

Democrats said the evidence was incriminating enough — and easy enough for voters to understand — to proceed with their impeachment inquiry and soon. “Strike while the iron’s hot,” said one individual in the meeting, summarizing the sentiment. Democrats said they could move quickly on impeachment and act by the end of the year. .......

that keeping the inquiry narrowly focused on the Ukraine allegations could also help keep the investigation out of the courts, where a slew of investigative matters have been bogged down for months — though she did not rule out ultimately including other episodes in potential articles of impeachment. .......

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/pelosi-privately-urges-narrow-trump-impeachment-probe-focused-on-ukraine/2019/09/25/c65b6f0c-dfab-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

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-am assuming, for now, they're just trying to save time & hassle here...

:unsure:

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14 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Pelosi, top Democrats favor quick, narrow Trump impeachment probe focused on Ukraine

 

Speaker Nancy Pelosi and senior House Democrats agreed in a private meeting Wednesday that they should narrow their impeachment investigation of President Trump to his dealings with the president of Ukraine, according to five Democrats familiar with the conversation. .......

 

Democrats said the evidence was incriminating enough — and easy enough for voters to understand — to proceed with their impeachment inquiry and soon. “Strike while the iron’s hot,” said one individual in the meeting, summarizing the sentiment. Democrats said they could move quickly on impeachment and act by the end of the year. .......

that keeping the inquiry narrowly focused on the Ukraine allegations could also help keep the investigation out of the courts, where a slew of investigative matters have been bogged down for months — though she did not rule out ultimately including other episodes in potential articles of impeachment. .......

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/pelosi-privately-urges-narrow-trump-impeachment-probe-focused-on-ukraine/2019/09/25/c65b6f0c-dfab-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

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-am assuming, for now, they're just trying to save time & hassle here...

:unsure:

For months, the Dems and others have said a whole lot of things justify impeachment, conviction and removal.  Four or five House committees have been investigating those things. Only using the Ukraine issue for impeachment would be saying they were wrong?  Many people will see it that way.  Even the GOPers had two charges against Bill Clinton - Perjury and obstruction.

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I heard a report last night that any number of articles of impeachment can be brought forth.  Only one needs to pass the vote for Trump to be impeached by the House.  And as of yesterday, there are 218 Dems in favor of this, up from 134 two days before.

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Stop. Read this

-- the first real line of the #WhistleblowerComplaint:

"The President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election."

The full complaint: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/

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When the #Whistleblower wrote the #WhistleblowerComplaint, there was already an

"ongoing discussion" among White House staff and lawyers on how to protect the President, because they knew they had "witnessed the President abuse his office for personal gain."

https://twitter.com/RepValDemings/status/1177206303229448193

 

They "locked down" records of the call,

and even removed the transcript from the computer systems where it was supposed to be kept.

They knew the President had violated his oath of office.

https://twitter.com/RepValDemings/status/1177208443175878657

 
 
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7 hours ago, Arturo said:

I heard a report last night that any number of articles of impeachment can be brought forth.  Only one needs to pass the vote for Trump to be impeached by the House.  And as of yesterday, there are 218 Dems in favor of this, up from 134 two days before.

You are correct, but it would help the case if they had more than one charge for impeachment.

I believe the whistle blower's complaint is valid and possibly the basis for impeachment.  BUT, it is his/her complaint, not a proven beyond the shadow of a doubt fact.

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10 hours ago, TheCid said:

For months, the Dems and others have said a whole lot of things justify impeachment, conviction and removal.  Four or five House committees have been investigating those things. Only using the Ukraine issue for impeachment would be saying they were wrong?  Many people will see it that way.  Even the GOPers had two charges against Bill Clinton - Perjury and obstruction.

exactly, they're practically admitting that Russian collusion and obstruction was and is BS.

...just like trump says it is.

:lol:

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