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ANTIFA Threatening to Set a Theater on Fire Because It's Hosting a Debate on Political Violence

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So how many people have been murdered by ANTIFA? Answer: Zero.

How many deaths have white supremacists caused?

Answer: more than I can say.

Yet ANTIFA is the group that has your continued concern on these boards, not the domestic terrorists that are actually causing families to mourn.

Interesting, and a revealing comment on you, DB.

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6 hours ago, TomJH said:

So how many people have been murdered by ANTIFA? Answer: Zero.

How many deaths have white supremacists caused?

Answer: more than I can say.

Yet ANTIFA is the group that has your continued concern on these boards, not the domestic terrorists that are actually causing families to mourn.

Interesting, and a revealing comment on you, DB.

My nephews live in Portland and one of them was beaten by ANTIFA protesters.   He isn't a Trump supporter and was just trying to do his daily business.   Didn't matter,  he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

There is ZERO logic in the above post but instead this type of 'logic':   More blacks are killed by blacks than by white police officers.    That means white police officers abuse,,,, well,,,,  it shouldn't be mentioned.

 

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3 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

My nephews live in Portland and one of them was beaten by ANTIFA protesters.   He isn't a Trump supporter and was just trying to do his daily business.   Didn't matter,  he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

There is ZERO logic in the above post but instead this type of 'logic':   More blacks are killed by blacks than by white police officers.    That means white police officers abuse,,,, well,,,,  it shouldn't be mentioned.

Here's the issue with labeling Antifa as a terrorist group: Antifa is not a group. Antifa is a label ascribed to anarchist punks who show up at demonstrations and protests with the purpose of causing mayhem and violence. Some may voice leftist ideologies, but for the most part they are all just violent hellraisers looking for a fight and to destroy stuff. 

However, there are two problems here: there are jerks simply looking to bust some heads on the right side too, as has been demonstrated many, many times. And more importantly, not everyone counter-protesting the Proud Boys/white nationalists/MAGA folks are members of Antifa. Now if Antifa gets labeled as an official terror group, ANY leftist protester/demonstrator can be called "Antifa" and arrested and prosecuted under anti-terror laws. And how does a person prove that they don't belong to a group that doesn't actually exist in the first place? And just like people warned back when the Patriot Act was signed, this can be used as a political weapon against everyone. What happens when the Democrats/leftists take control of government and declare the Proud Boys or MAGAts or whoever they like as terror groups? We're weaponizing the laws against political dissent.

I don't agree with "Antifa" tactics at all, and I hope each person engaged in violence for violence's sake is arrested and prosecuted. But we're setting ourselves up for more oppression and totalitarianism if we're not careful. 

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Both sides are just clueless twits going at it. Of course, that describes most politics really. I also wouldn't label Proud Boys as white nationalists either. I've seen Tweets and articles posted here claiming that but they seem like run of the mill moderate conservatives and many I've seen in the videos aren't even white.

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1 hour ago, Gershwin fan said:

Both sides are just clueless twits going at it. Of course, that describes most politics really. I also wouldn't label Proud Boys as white nationalists either. I've seen Tweets and articles posted here claiming that but they seem like run of the mill moderate conservatives and many I've seen in the videos aren't even white.

I said "Proud Boys/white nationalists/MAGA folks" to indicate any right-leaning group that tends to demonstrate. While the Proud Boys are not directly white nationalists, and they've even gone out of their way to publicly say so, they are avowedly dedicated to the "preservation of Western Culture", which is a frequently used dog-whistle that many interpret as white, Christian, male superiority.

They are also some of the whiniest victim-culture people on the political scene, as they repeatedly stress that white, male, Christian western culture is being attacked on all fronts. If something is "pro-woman", then these cry-babies always state that it's "anti-man". If something is "pro-black", then it must be "anti-white". Etc., etc., etc. Everything is about them. I wouldn't say that there was anything "moderate" about that, but if that is where the "moderates" are now, then we're in pretty bad shape. Granted, these are mostly "culture war" issues rather than pure questions of governance, but the parties have done a terrific (terrifying?) job of making culture and politics synonymous. 

They are also just as likely to engage in violent confrontation as any "Antifa" dip**** in a black mask.

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Yeah, I agree that culture war stuff is a lot of nonsense and they cry whenever their religion is mocked in the slightest but that just seems like normal right wing stuff to me. I remember that their leader Gavin McInnes is a disgusting pervert who shoved a d1ldo up his azz on his show to "own the left." :blink: The photo is spread all over the internet. We have only the best people, folks!. :wacko: 

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Give 'em hell, antifa. Plus this is could one of the rare times that somebody actually

cries fire in a crowded theater. 

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Sure there are idiots on both sides (that's pretty obvious) but, so far, ANTIFA is the lesser of two evils inasmuch as no deaths have resulted from their activities, as opposed to white supremacists. That doesn't mean that ANTIFA should be given a pass, especially when violence results from any of their activity. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

But the white supremacists are truly domestic terrorists, some of them having committed mass murder, even if there is no organization at the head and there are, in some cases, internet-influenced lone wolves among them (similar to lonely losers who joined the ISIS cause). They are paranoid and act like they are under siege by the "brown hordes" and immigration laws, threatening the future of the white race in America.

And Trump, as we know, feeds upon that insecurity and hatred for his own political gain. It's hardly a surprise that Trump would only talk of declaring ANTIFA a terror organization, while ignoring white supremacy on the same issue.

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Dayton shooter Connor Betts may be antifa’s first mass killer

Over the weekend, America suffered two mass shootings within hours of one another, in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio. These followed another mass shooting in Gilroy, Calif., a week earlier. The alleged perpetrators of the attacks were young, “lone-wolf” gunmen. All three carried out carnage against innocents using high-power rifles. All told, Santino ­Legan (Gilroy), Patrick Crusius (El Paso) and Connor Betts (Dayton) killed 34 people and injured dozens more.

While the attacks are similar, the response from liberals and leftists has been anything but.

Democratic presidential candidates Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders succinctly condemned white nationalism — the ideology espoused by the El Paso shooter in his purported 2,300-word manifesto.

However, when it comes to condemning the Dayton shooter’s militant far-left views, all remain mum. Others, such as anti-police activist Shaun King, even claimed the Dayton shooter targeted blacks in a hate crime, though ­racism doesn’t appear to have been a component of his twisted worldview.

While Betts, the Dayton shooter, didn’t leave behind a manifesto, his extensive social-media footprint provides clues as to what may have inspired him. Federal investigators announced Tuesday that they are looking into his exploration of violent ideologies.

Betts had long expressed support for antifa accounts, causes and individuals. That would be the loose network of militant leftist activists who physically attack anyone to the right of Mao in the name of “anti-fascism.” In particular, Betts promoted extreme hatred of American border enforcement.

“Kill every fascist,” the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. “Nazis deserve death and nothing else,” he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label “Nazi” at those with whom he disagreed online.

By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle ­Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump stocks, and the SRA responded to him. (A bump stock is an attachment for semiautomatic rifles that allow them to fire much faster.)

In the months leading to his rampage, Betts expressed a longing for climactic confrontation. In ­response to an essay by Intercept writer Mehdi Hassan titled, “Yes, Let’s Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn’t Leave the White House?” the shooter wrote: “Arm, train, prepare.”

By June he tweeted: “I want socialism, and I’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round understanding.” Last week, he promoted posts that demonized Sens. Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy’s resolution against antifa extremism.

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An ATIFA shooter, and no word from the fake media about it.

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The jury is still out on Connor Betts' motives. We know he was obsessed with violence and mass murders. Because he had leftist political sympathies it's hardly surprising that some on the right would try to label him "an ANTIFA mass killer" to try to turn his heinous crime into a political one.

 

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