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The Biden 'gaffe machine' sparks worry for Democrats

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The Biden 'gaffe machine' sparks worry for Democrats

With a story he likes to tell on the campaign trail, former Vice President Joe Biden has once again triggered anxiety about his campaign.

Biden loves to share a memory about traveling to Afghanistan as vice president to mark the heroic actions of a Navy captain who didn't want the honor. The problem, according to The Washington Post, is that "almost every detail in the story appears to be incorrect. ... It appears as though the former vice president has jumbled elements of at least three actual events into one story of bravery, compassion and regret that never happened."

The revelation has caused another stir. Critics pounced, warning that the misstatements point to Biden's weakness as a candidate, which will come back to haunt Democrats in 2020. His willingness to play with the facts, the critics say, is the last thing that we need in the age of Trump.

In response, Biden rejects the criticism, insisting that the basic thrust of the story was true.

At some level, this is just one more campaign moment when a candidate makes a gaffe, the media pounces on it and an incident generates a 24-hour conversation before journalists move on.

But at another level, the revelation touches on some deeper questions about the Biden campaign. If "electability" is a candidate's biggest calling card, debates about missteps are natural and inevitable.

Biden has a long history of making verbal statements that have become politically problematic, most famously with a plagiarism scandal that damaged his 1988 campaign. Democrats want to know how much of this they will be seeing in the fall of 2020 and how much fodder Biden will offer the Republican machine as they line up to decimate his character.

President Trump's Twitter feed is already warmed up and ready to go. Given the stakes in the election, Democrats don't want to take any big risks. The same sentiment that makes Biden the front-runner, the notion that he is best positioned to win, can also quickly turn into a liability with moments like these.

Playing fast and loose with the facts also relates to the problems that Biden's Democratic rivals see in his long record in Washington. On a number of important issues, such as his opposition to school busing to promote integration in the 1970s or his controversial role in the Clarence Thomas hearings, many Democrats feel Biden has been on the wrong side of history. He went too far trying to placate the white male vote at the expense of African-Americans, women, Latinos and others who were becoming a bigger part of the Democratic party coalition.

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He was a one percenter back when he ran for President before, so how can people think he is electable?

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'Details Are Irrelevant': Biden Says Verbal Slip-Ups Don't Undermine His Judgment

 

".......Resetting U.S. trade policy and addressing climate change are key priorities for Biden and an opportunity for distinction from Obama.

"The idea that we would have another trade agreement without environmentalists and labor sitting at the negotiating table with us will not happen in a Biden administration," he said.

Biden has said, if elected, he would renegotiate the Trans-Pacific Partnership rather than fully supporting the initial plan as proposed.

As vice president, he had been a vocal supporter of the original TPP agreement........

Biden has faced criticism over the years for his judgment on key foreign policy decisions, such as voting to authorize the Iraq War, trying to partition the country along ethnic and sectarian lines, opposing a troop surge, and overseeing the withdrawal in 2011 that some say created a power vacuum that allowed ISIS to flourish in Iraq.

"He's been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades," former Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote in his 2014 memoir.......

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/02/756872790/details-are-irrelevant-biden-says-verbal-slip-ups-don-t-undermine-his-judgment?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=politics&utm_term=nprnews

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Biden fundraises from lobbyists despite pledge

Politics Sep 3, 2019 12:48 PM EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) — Joe Biden entered the Democratic primary promising “from day one” to reject campaign cash from lobbyists.

“I work for you — not any industry,” he tweeted.

Yet hours after his April campaign kickoff, the former vice president went to a fundraiser at the home of a lobbying executive.

And in the months since, he’s done it again and again.........

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-fundraises-from-lobbyists-despite-pledge

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Andrew Goldman, a co-founder of Western LNG, a natural gas production company based in Houston, Texas,
 
is co-hosting one of two high-dollar fundraisers Biden will attend in New York on Thursday.
 
"The day after Joe Biden participates in CNN’s climate forum in New York, the former vice president will head to a high-dollar fundraiser co-hosted by a founder of a fossil fuel company.....
 
Goldman and Biden have deep ties: Goldman served as an adviser to Biden while he was in the Senate and was the northeast director of finance for Biden’s 2008 campaign. ........
 

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Contributor Total Individuals PACs
Morgan & Morgan $427,845 $427,845 $0
MBNA Corp $212,575 $212,575 $0
Pachulski, Stang et al $210,475 $210,475 $0
Simmons Hanly Conroy $196,200 $196,200 $0
Weitz & Luxenberg $194,020 $194,020 $0
Industry Total Individuals PACs
Lawyers/Law Firms $9,574,841 $9,502,135 $72,706
Retired $4,135,216 $4,135,216 $0
Real Estate $2,211,937 $2,188,112 $23,825
Securities & Investment $1,826,850 $1,812,100 $14,750
Business Services $1,151,624 $1,148,624 $3,000

 

 

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00001669&cycle=CAREER

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CNN’s Climate Forum Went Badly for Biden

It was a new subject for a cable news town hall but a familiar result for the Democratic front-runner, who struggled to defend his record.

 

.......“How can we trust you to hold these corporations accountable when you are holding a high-dollar fundraiser held by Andrew Goldman, a fossil fuel executive?”

As Biden began to answer the question, CNN moderator Anderson Cooper interjected. Cooper quoted at length from the report denouncing the fossil fuel companies, and then read from Goldman’s bio. Hours earlier, The Intercept had reported: that “Andrew Goldman, a co-founder of Western LNG, a natural gas production company based in Houston, Texas, is co-hosting one of two high-dollar fundraisers Biden will attend in New York on Thursday......

Biden took pains to explain that his staff had combed through Securities and Exchange Commission records to ensure that no fossil fuel executive was giving him money. If it turned out they were wrong about Goldman, he said, “I will not in any way accept his help.”

Will that be enough? Or will it linger the way Al Gore kept defending a fundraiser he once attended by saying there was “no controlling legal authority” that said it was wrong?

Neither Sanders nor Senator Elizabeth Warren raised the question in their CNN appearances.......

Biden’s appearance at the town hall was less than impressive. He repeatedly interrupted himself to jump from one thought to another. When he was asked whether he would ban fossil fuel exports—an issue on which other candidates had disparate but relatively clear views—Biden instantly pivoted to a long account of his efforts on behalf of high-speed rail.

Even the shallow matter of what we now call “optics” went badly for Biden. He chose to sit through his appearance—

 

“Sooner or later, every front-runner takes a punch.” For Biden, those punches are flying, and he does not seem prepared to deal with them. Eventually, unless he starts to defend himself better, one of them is going to floor him. "

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/04/cnn-climate-forum-biden-228035

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2 hours ago, mr6666 said:

CNN’s Climate Forum Went Badly for Biden

It was a new subject for a cable news town hall but a familiar result for the Democratic front-runner, who struggled to defend his record.

 

.......“How can we trust you to hold these corporations accountable when you are holding a high-dollar fundraiser held by Andrew Goldman, a fossil fuel executive?”

As Biden began to answer the question, CNN moderator Anderson Cooper interjected. Cooper quoted at length from the report denouncing the fossil fuel companies, and then read from Goldman’s bio. Hours earlier, The Intercept had reported: that “Andrew Goldman, a co-founder of Western LNG, a natural gas production company based in Houston, Texas, is co-hosting one of two high-dollar fundraisers Biden will attend in New York on Thursday......

Biden took pains to explain that his staff had combed through Securities and Exchange Commission records to ensure that no fossil fuel executive was giving him money. If it turned out they were wrong about Goldman, he said, “I will not in any way accept his help.”

Will that be enough? Or will it linger the way Al Gore kept defending a fundraiser he once attended by saying there was “no controlling legal authority” that said it was wrong?

Neither Sanders nor Senator Elizabeth Warren raised the question in their CNN appearances.......

Biden’s appearance at the town hall was less than impressive. He repeatedly interrupted himself to jump from one thought to another. When he was asked whether he would ban fossil fuel exports—an issue on which other candidates had disparate but relatively clear views—Biden instantly pivoted to a long account of his efforts on behalf of high-speed rail.

Even the shallow matter of what we now call “optics” went badly for Biden. He chose to sit through his appearance—

 

“Sooner or later, every front-runner takes a punch.” For Biden, those punches are flying, and he does not seem prepared to deal with them. Eventually, unless he starts to defend himself better, one of them is going to floor him. "

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/04/cnn-climate-forum-biden-228035

Very sad.  He should withdraw.  He was terrible.  He cannot even finish sentences.  

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11 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

Very sad.  He should withdraw.  He was terrible.  He cannot even finish sentences.  

Yes, this is sad.   Biden needs to find a high-speed rail and get out of town.

I also wonder if Trump antics and obvious mental decline will sour voters on all the over 70 candidates.

Of course that isn't 'right' and the majority of those over 70 are mentally sound,  but I can see voters thinking "why take the risk".

 

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Top Biden backer warns he’s at risk of losing New Hampshire

The lion of the state Senate gives some blunt advice to the Democratic frontrunner.

"......Lou D’Allesandro, the longest-serving state senator and highest-ranking elected official in the state who’s endorsed Biden, spoke with the candidate before a town hall event here. D’Allesandro was blunt in his advice:

Listen more. Talk less. Answer succinctly. Get your campaign operation organized.

 

I told him that he’s gotta energize his speeches, and they need to be shorter and more to the point,” D’Allesandro said. “He’s gotta zero in on things and address them, and address them succinctly.”......

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/new-hampshire-dallesandro-joe-biden-1484328

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Thread: I'm always astounded by the imaginings of white people as it relates to race.
 
Many of them have this fictionalized **** version that is almost alien-like.
 
And one of the greatest examples of this ever is Joe Biden's story about Corn Pop the gangsta.......
 
So, that summer, Biden was the only white lifeguard at Prices Run swimming pool in Brown-Burton Winchester Park.
He says he did it—y'all, I SWEAR this is true—"in hopes of learning more about the black community."
 
Yes, that's an actual quote....
 
Biden says that he became popular at the pool because many of the black people in Wilmington, DE had never talked to a white person before.
 
This raised by ****-o-meter, so I decided to look it up.
 
In 1960, Wilmington was 73% white, according to census records.....
 
Well, the gang that invaded Biden's pool was called the Romans,
 
which sounds gangsta AF.
 
And the leader of the Romans was a dude named Corn Pop........
 
:rolleyes:  :lol:
 
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Joe Biden’s Mysterious Claim That He Whipped Votes for the CFPB

......After Biden said on stage that he was the only one who had gotten big things done, Warren noted that she had ushered into being the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, over the objections of Wall Street and many in her own party. 

Biden objected. “I agreed with the great job she did, and I went on the floor and got you votes,” he said, his voice raised, pointing at Warren. “I got votes for that bill. I convinced people to vote for it. So let’s get those things straight too.”

When Warren was asked to respond, a look of anger washed over her face. She paused, and said, very deliberately,

“I am deeply grateful to President Obama, who fought so hard to make sure that agency was passed into law, and I am deeply grateful to every single person who fought for it and who helped pass it into law.”

Biden, however, was not one of those people, according to numerous sources who were involved in the fight over the CFPB’s creation. He did, however, offer Warren a verbal pat on the head at the end of the exchange on Tuesday. “You did a hell of a job in your job,” he said.

“Thank you,” Warren deadpanned.......

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/16/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-debate-cfpb/

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Joe Biden’s Super PAC Is Being Organized by Corporate Lobbyists for Health Care Industry, Weapons Makers, Finance

 

".............The move represents a reversal from earlier this year, when Biden rejected support from Super PACs, which can receive unlimited donations from corporations or individuals.

Though Biden has pledged not to take contributions from registered lobbyists, the prohibition appears not to apply to big-dollar organizers of his Super PAC. Among the individuals involved with the effort are several lobbyists for leading corporations and foreign governments......

Biden has articulated the problem with big-money donations in the past, noting that privately financed elections allow those donors greater access to politicians than ordinary Americans.

“Lobbyists aren’t bad people, special-interest groups are not bad people, but guess what? They’re corrosive,” said Biden during a 2007 campaign event.......

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/25/joe-biden-super-pac/

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'Look at My Record, Child,'

Biden Tells Adult Climate Campaigner in Condescending Response to Super PAC Question

"Biden needs to wrestle seriously with young people demanding real leadership," says Sunrise Movement co-founder, "and stop dismissing young women asking him legitimate questions as children.".......

 

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/28/look-my-record-child-biden-tells-adult-climate-campaigner-condescending-response

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. on his son Hunter's work in Ukraine: "I don't know what he was doing."

: "Well you've had a lot of time. Isn't this something you want to get to the bottom of?"

Biden: "No. Because I trust my son."

 
 
Biden has GOT to answer these questions in a way that isn't as angry and defensive.
Yes, it's family. It's personal.
It's a smear campaign by Trump.
 
But the press will keep asking.
 
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26 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Yes, it's family. It's personal.

Isn't that the overall point;    that Joe helped his kid get a gig that he was unqualified for.

Yes,  "it's family" is at the core of the issue here. 

The fact Joe is being angry and defensive:   funny but anytime Trump doesn't address such questions \ concerns head-on what do we hear from CNN and MSNBC:  well,  there must be a reason,,,,  and it is clear what that reason is.

 

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Sanders aide: Biden, others need to 'justify their records'

Sanders, who places second behind Biden in most national polling, told the Los Angeles Times editorial board last week that the former vice president’s record in the Senate would make him an easy target for President Trump in a general election.

"If you're a Donald Trump and you got Biden having voted for the war in Iraq, Biden having voted for these terrible, in my view, trade agreements, Biden having voted for the bankruptcy bill. Trump will eat his lunch," Sanders said in the interview.

Biden later hit back, saying “Tell him come and I'll give him some dessert at the White House.".......

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/476237-sanders-aide-hits-back-biden-others-need-to-justify-their-records

Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg on Sunday also hit Biden over his backing of the Iraq War.

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Fact Check:

Joe Biden Has Advocated Cutting Social Security for 40 Years

..... After a Sanders campaign newsletter continued the attack on Biden’s Social Security record, the Biden campaign complained to fact-checkers at Politifact that his comments were being taken out of context.
 
Placed in context, however, Biden’s record on Social Security is far worse than one offhand remark. Indeed, Biden has been advocating for cuts to Social Security for roughly 40 years. ........
 
With this year’s presidential contest being fought over the terrain of electability, Biden’s 35-plus-year effort to cut Social Security, arguably the most popular government program in existence, is potentially a major liability among older voters — and hypocrisy has never held Trump back from making an effective political attack. Biden’s historical position also stands in stark contrast to Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, both of whom support increasing benefits and have offered ways to make the program solvent indefinitely. ........
 
 
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https://benjaminstudebaker.com/2020/01/19/remember-when-obama-and-biden-tried-to-cut-social-security-by-230-billion/

Remember When Obama and Biden Tried to Cut Social Security by $230 Billion?

by Benjamin Studebaker

Videos have emerged in which Joe Biden speaks in favor of entitlement reform. Biden disputes the claims:

The thing is, Joe Biden and Barack Obama did try to cut Social Security. It’s one of the forgotten pieces of Obama’s legacy. It was called the ‘Grand Bargain’. Let me tell you the story.

 

In 2010, the Obama administration thought that the federal government was spending too much money. So they created the “National Committee on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform”. It was nicknamed the Simpson-Bowles committee, for its leading members–Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles. Simpson-Bowles proposed to cut Social Security by changing the way Social Security measures inflation. Social Security is designed to adjust for inflation, so that the benefits keep up with rising costs of living. By measuring inflation with a scale that runs low, you can reduce the cost of living adjustment and thereby reduce Social Security spending.

The Social Security Administration uses CPI-W to calculate inflation. CPI-W is specifically tied to the consumer experience of “clerical workers”–mainly people in working class, blue collar jobs. Simpson-Bowles wanted to switch over to C-CPI-U, otherwise known as “chained CPI”. Chained CPI doesn’t look specifically at clerical workers, and it also makes an important change in the way inflation is measured by increasing the role substitutions play in the measurement.

Under CPI-W, if the price of one type of apple goes up, CPI-W assumes you might choose to buy a different variety of apple that’s cheaper. But it doesn’t suppose that you might instead choose to buy an orange. CPI-W makes low-level substitutions but not high-level substitutions. Chained CPI produces a lower inflation rate by assuming that a wider range of products can be substituted for one another. The Obama administration tried to incorporate Chained-CPI into its ‘Grand Bargain’ with Republicans over the budget. They proposed for a small buff in benefits for older retirees to partially offset the move to Chained-CPI, but this still left a benefit cut of 1% to 2%.

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