spence Posted October 1 1 minute ago, Gershwin fan said: Wow, that's really a bit edgy. Good for him though for cutting ties with Woody Allen if he dislikes him so much. You got it Satchell, after one of Woody;s heroes His lifelong idol by far though is still Bob Hope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spence Posted October 1 6 hours ago, Feego said: Let's not forget there was a nearly 30-year age gap between Mia Farrow and Frank Sinatra. I really have no stake in this matter insofar as how I determine whether to watch films with either Allen or Farrow's involvement. Like speedracer5, I prefer to leave someone's personal life out of the equation when judging their artistic work. To draw a parallel to a case closer to what Woody Allen has been accused of, Gloria Grahame did in fact marry her former stepson. Her fourth husband was Tony Ray, son of Nicholas Ray whom she divorced a mere 8 years earlier. None of us will probably ever know what truly happened in the Allen-Farrow case. Like LawrenceA, I do believe that Dylan Farrow believes she was a victim of sexual assault, and I genuinely feel sorry for her. If it really happened, that's awful. If her mother coached her, that's also awful. She is a victim of someone, perhaps even of both parties to some degree. I have no desire to boycott either Farrow or Allen's work, but the beauty of it all is that it's our individual prerogative to do so if we choose. I separate the two, even watch O.J. was he's own Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spence Posted October 1 On 9/29/2019 at 11:48 AM, cigarjoe said: United States Age of consent by state (and remember life spans were shorter in 1880) Year ---- 1880/1920/2007 Alabama 10 16 16 Alaska - 16 16 Arizona 12 18 18 Arkansas 10 16 16 California 10 18 18 Colorado 10 18 15 Connecticut 10 16 16 District of Columbia 12 16 16 Delaware 7 16 16 Florida 10 18 18 Georgia 10 14 16 Hawaii - - 16 Idaho 10 18 18 Illinois 10 16 17 Indiana 12 16 16 Iowa 10 16 16 Kansas 10 18 16 Kentucky 12 16 16 Louisiana 12 18 17 Maine 10 16 16 Maryland 10 16 16 Massachusetts 10 16 16 Michigan 10 16 16 Minnesota 10 18 16 Mississippi 10 18 16 Missouri 12 18 17 Montana 10 18 16 Nebraska 10 18 17 Nevada 12 18 16 New Hampshire 10 16 16 New Jersey 10 16 16 New Mexico 10 16 17 New York 10 18 17 North Carolina 10 16 16 North Dakota 10 18 18 Ohio 10 16 16 Oklahoma - - 16 Oregon 10 16 18 Pennsylvania 10 16 16 Rhode Island 10 16 16 South Carolina 10 16 16 South Dakota 10 18 16 Tennessee 10 18 18 Texas 10 18 17 Utah 10 18 16 Vermont 10 16 16 Virginia 12 16 18 Washington 12 18 16 West Virginia 12 16 16 Wisconsin 10 16 18 Wyoming 10 16 16 man, cigarjoe, you really did your homework 4 stars! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spence Posted October 1 5 hours ago, Dargo said: Really?! Gee, I wonder why? Wait, could it MAYBE be because.... (...yeeeah sure...Ronan is really the nerdy one on the right here's biological kid, alright...yeeeeah, suuuuure he is) seen this one a lot, but it's marvelous anyway he's already onto something else after he was let go by MSNBC of all places Doing the brief math he's about 32 or so, so *SINATRA woulda been about age 72 when he was hatched I'd say YOU BET IN *FRANK'S EARLIER YEARS, by then he wasn't as much a womanizer though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickAndNora34 Posted October 1 (edited) I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Woody gives me strong "creep" vibes, but I try to separate him as a man from him as a director/writer, except with "Manhattan" where he's dating a 17 year old. I like to think of that film as fantasy, because I don't know why any 17 year old girl would date Woody... but maybe that's just me. Edited October 1 by NickAndNora34 because i thought my previous wording was too mean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spence Posted October 1 Just now, NickAndNora34 said: I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Woody gives me strong "creep" vibes, but I try to separate him as a man from him as a director/writer, except with "Manhattan" where he's dating a 17 year old. I like to think of that film as fantasy, because I don't know why any self-respecting 17 year old girl would date Woody... but maybe that's just me. Nerdy as he's always been, in reality though he's never had a problem finding ladies, I mean of his age 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spence Posted October 1 The media had a field day with Charlie Sheen a few yrs back & the gals, besides f course the drugs, now he insists' he has HIV. But, Charlie can't hold a candle to*Warren Beatty -(l937-) and his women & *Warren didn't have to pay them/hookers either an example starting in the '50's with Joan Collins-(YUK), Leslie Caron, NATALIE WOOD, *Lee Grant, Goldie Hawn, *Julie Christie-(they were very close), *Diane Keaton-(also almost married her), MADONNA, *Halle Berry, Annette Bening-(it was her he finally got hitched at age 54) & many more Imagine what it did to *The Woodman's self esteem & ego to have your gal (*Keaton) go off w/*Warren Beatty By the way I can't take credit for nickname of *THE WOODMAN Bill Murray started it in the '70's on SNL when he'd cover the Oscars Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spence Posted October 1 2 hours ago, spence said: seen this one a lot, but it's marvelous anyway he's already onto something else after he was let go by MSNBC of all places Doing the brief math he's about 32 or so, so *SINATRA woulda been about age 72 when he was hatched I'd say YOU BET IN *FRANK'S EARLIER YEARS, by then he wasn't as much a womanizer though I truly think Don Rickles is the real father! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cigarjoe Posted October 1 On 9/29/2019 at 12:16 PM, hamradio said: Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin! Great Balls Afire! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TikiSoo Posted October 1 10 hours ago, misswonderly3 said: But it is not fair to use words like "predatory" when speaking of Woody Allen and Soon Yi. Soon Yi herself has said many times that she welcomed Allen's attention. And they've been married for many years now. Also disrespectfully disagree, the word "predatory" is wholly appropriate when there is an imbalance of knowledge & power. Any person manipulating another's confidence (con man) for personal gain is a predator. This story is really none of our business and we're judging others' behaviour based on media reports & our personal morality. Guess it's the same for watching his movies-some aren't concerned by his personal foibles while others are bothered by it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hamradio Posted October 1 10 hours ago, NickAndNora34 said: I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Woody gives me strong "creep" vibes, but I try to separate him as a man from him as a director/writer, except with "Manhattan" where he's dating a 17 year old. I like to think of that film as fantasy, because I don't know why any 17 year old girl would date Woody... but maybe that's just me. For non celebrities people will call it "robbing the cradle". https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/marriage/teenage-girl-married-to-a-62yearold-man-reveals-theyre-trying-to-have-a-baby/news-story/39b9b75b8cb2a06565367eeda1dd899c Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sepiatone Posted October 1 12 hours ago, NickAndNora34 said: because I don't know why any 17 year old girl would date Woody... but maybe that's just me. Probably not. But didn't you ever wonder.... WHY are some women attracted to some men that you'd think fall FAR out of their league? And let's look at another factor.... A niece of mine married a guy who was(taking other women's word) very good looking. That he was a mean drunk who both physically and verbally abused her when drunk, which was 90% of the time, I'd think a much older, homely guy who treated her with respect and loving care would start to look good. If any of you are basing some of your opinions of this on Allen's physical appearance I can only hope you've taught your children a more mature sense of criteria. And while we're on this age bit, remember----- My wife was 10 years my senior. And I wouldn't call her a cougar(how did that ever come about to be used for that sort of thing?) because I was the one in pursuit. Sepiatone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gershwin fan Posted October 1 10 years and 35 years are two completely different things. I was in a relationship with a woman 5 years older than me but that's not even close to the situation with Allen. He's nearly four decades her senior. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hamradio Posted October 1 29 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said: 10 years and 35 years are two completely different things. I was in a relationship with a woman 5 years older than me but that's not even close to the situation with Allen. He's nearly four decades her senior. How about... My apologies if I caused anyone to lose their lunch. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dargo Posted October 1 2 hours ago, hamradio said: For non celebrities people will call it "robbing the cradle". https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/marriage/teenage-girl-married-to-a-62yearold-man-reveals-theyre-trying-to-have-a-baby/news-story/39b9b75b8cb2a06565367eeda1dd899c Gotta say THIS sort of relationship would NEVER work for me. Nope, ya see I've always preferred the people I hang with be able to recognize and understand and hopefully appreciate most if not all of the old cultural references I constantly use while attempting (operative word here of course being "attempting") some witty comment, and really doubt someone THIS young would even be able to grasp even 5 percent of them. (...I mean, why the hell do you think I hang around with all of YOU old f*rts around here, HUH?!) LOL 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lavenderblue19 Posted October 1 53 minutes ago, Dargo said: Gotta say THIS sort of relationship would NEVER work for me. Nope, ya see I've always preferred the people I hang with be able to recognize and understand and hopefully appreciate most if not all of the old cultural references I constantly use while attempting (operative word here of course being "attempting") some witty comment, and really doubt someone THIS young would even be able to grasp even 5 percent of them. (...I mean, why the hell do you think I hang around with all of YOU old f*rts around here, HUH?!) LOL Judging from that photo, I tend to doubt he cares if she knows who Gary Cooper,etc. was LOL. think of this way, he's probably got lots of friends who would know what he was referring to if he made a comment about an old cultural reference, (that's if some of those old ---- are still alive) LOL but how many "friends" fulfill his other needs Just kidding, he looks like he's pushing 80, ick. I agree with you dargo. A few years ago, a man about 30 years older than I asked me out, granted he drove a convertible, had a motorcycle and he thought he was cool. Yuck. Guess his money was enough because a woman who was 10 years younger than I was, went for it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dargo Posted October 1 23 minutes ago, lavenderblue19 said: Judging from that photo, I tend to doubt he cares if she knows who Gary Cooper,etc. was LOL. think of this way, he's probably got lots of friends who would know what he was referring to if he made a comment about an old cultural reference, (that's if some of those old ---- are still alive) LOL but how many "friends" fulfill his other needs Just kidding, he looks like he's pushing 80, ick. I agree with you dargo. A few years ago, a man about 30 years older than I asked me out, granted he drove a convertible, had a motorcycle and he thought he was cool. Yuck. Guess his money was enough because a woman who was 10 years younger than I was, went for it. Wow! Well, OTHER than this guy's age, THAT dude sounds just like ME!!! (...especially of course that "thought he was cool" thing) LOL 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndreaDoria Posted October 1 18 hours ago, misswonderly3 said: Here's the thing about the pedophile allegation, regarding Dylan Farrow (as opposed to the Soon Yi story, which has been disproved.): Admittedly, I know little about pedophiles, am no expert on the subject, and have no desire to know more about these sick people. However, I do know this: someone who is a pedophile cannot stop themselves from pursuing their horrible compulsion as much and as often as they possibly can. So aside from the fact that the Dylan Farrow allegations were found to have no basis and were thrown out in a court of law, twice, there is this other point to consider: if Woody Allen were a pedophile, the Dylan Farrow accusation would not be the only one he'd be facing. The fact that no one else, ever, has come forward and claimed that he molested them (and he could easily have pursued children and found a way to do this if he'd wanted) suggests to me that he never did any such thing, nor did he ever desire to do so. If he were like that, there'd be other allegations against him from other people, and there never have been. While I agree that most pedophiles have a long list of victims, I'm sure they aren't all exactly alike. Woody's movies are often about men obssessed with women who are taboo in some way, a sister-in-law, a very young woman, a best friend's girl friend. If Woody did abuse Dylan it may have been a case of this sort of obssession more than typical pedophilia. I'm not worried about people like Beethoven. Dead people can't benefit from my money. With someone alive and well and able to profit from me I just make my own judgment call. Here's a few facts that helped sway me against him:https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamesjazzguitar Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Dargo said: Gotta say THIS sort of relationship would NEVER work for me. I view this differently as it relates to us at this forum: We are a very select group - lovers of American Studio-era movies. As been discussed many times at this forum, most people 'our age' (say over 55), are NOT part of this group. How many movies made before they were born have they seen? I know that the vast majority of folks I meet are NOT into 'old movies'. My point being the odds of me meeting someone that was into what I was (studio-era movies, jazz (especially swing and bop from the 50s) art (especially impressionism),,,, hiking, etc... are low. Instead the odds of meeting someone into 'pop' culture (current culture, things that have occurred after they were born), are very, very high (since my guess is that over 80% of folks fall into this category). Therefore one needs to meet someone willing to grow-with-you. This is more likely to happen for someone like me with someone focused on 'pop' culture than someone that is really focused (like me), on 'old stuff' (if their 'old stuff' is different than my 'old stuff',,, say opera). Of course I lucked out since my wife was Italian and having lived in the USA only a few years wanted to soak up all she could about American culture from ALL eras. I wanted to learn more about Europe and some of their artistic traditions \ ways. We both got what we wanted. So while that 'kid' would only get 5% of your cultural reference, I suspect the average person from your age group would only get about 25%, if that. That makes you unique and special. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedracer5 Posted October 1 I'm probably not a good example of this as my husband and I are three months apart in age, grew up in the same city and even attended the same high school (he's a year behind me in school however, due to his birthday being in September). I have known him for 20 years. Many of our cultural experiences and such are the same and we have many of the same memories about school. We did however have different childhoods, his unfortunately was not as good as mine. He also did not grow up with cable, so his exposure to many of the shows of the 90s is more limited than mine. Due to his household environment, he did not grow up watching movies every Friday and all that. What works in my relationship and what I'd feel like what would work in any relationship regardless of any age, economic, social, etc. differences, is that both parties need to be willing to compromise and be open to attending events, watching films, anything that their partner enjoys. One of my husband's favorite bands is a Swedish metal band. It's not my personal favorite, but I've gone to the show 4 times now. I have seen every film in the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe), not because I particularly wanted to see them, but because my husband wanted to. In exchange, he watches movies and shows that I want to see and attends things that I want to see. He's open to watching classic film and even finds ones that he enjoys. He even has discussions about classic film with co-workers. It's all about finding someone you're compatible with and that makes you happy. Some age differences seem awkward, but I suppose if both parties are consenting and happy... then I suppose it's not really any of my business. It's sad when you see a couple of any age where one person wants to be the social butterfly, the other wants to be a homebody. One half of the couple wants to live lavishly. The other wants frugality. Today, there seems to be such a rush to get married, only to get divorced a month later, because the couple realized, "oh. We don't really like each other." 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LawrenceA Posted October 1 19 minutes ago, speedracer5 said: One of my husband's favorite bands is a Swedish metal band. Which band? Entombed? In Flames? Amon Amarth? Bathory? Opeth? Meshuggah? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spence Posted October 1 No matter his personal life, he's made me laugh since I was about 18 & I rank among the genuine top ten cinematic Geniuses in movie history-(especially with dialogue) A word they throw around far to often especially in film Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Princess of Tap Posted October 1 40 minutes ago, spence said: No matter his personal life, he's made me laugh since I was about 18 & I rank among the genuine top ten cinematic Geniuses in movie history-(especially with dialogue) A word they throw around far to often especially in film Where do you stand on Charlie Chaplin being a pedophile? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedracer5 Posted October 1 1 hour ago, LawrenceA said: Which band? Entombed? In Flames? Amon Amarth? Bathory? Opeth? Meshuggah? Ghost BC. I've also heard Opeth and In Flames as well. I haven't heard of the other bands, but I'm sure he has. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LawrenceA Posted October 1 11 minutes ago, speedracer5 said: Ghost BC. I've also heard Opeth and In Flames as well. I haven't heard of the other bands, but I'm sure he has. I have a friend that's really into Ghost BC. I've never seen them or heard much by them. They seem like fine fellows, though. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
