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The Trump Impeachment(s)

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Is it time to ditch the Democrats BEGIN Impeachment thread?

President Trump becomes the third president in history to be impeached by the House, facing charges he pressured Ukraine to help his reelection. He faces a likely Senate trial in January, where he is expected to be acquitted.

 
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42 minutes ago, TheCid said:

We already have a thread on the Impeachment.

Soon to be followed by the "Trump is acquitted" thread to be followed by the "Trump is re-elected" thread to be followed by the "Democrats begin second impeachment of Trump" thread to be followed by "Why is TCM showing newer movies" thread ...

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30 minutes ago, scsu1975 said:

Soon to be followed by the "Trump is acquitted" thread to be followed by the "Trump is re-elected" thread to be followed by the "Democrats begin second impeachment of Trump" thread to be followed by "Why is TCM showing newer movies" thread ...

Followed by the Trump haters / can't get over 2016 meltdown thread. :wacko:

Then the Thank you Nancy Pelosi for getting Trump re-elect thread.  :lol:

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29 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

Some people need glasses.

As someone who wears glasses, I consider that an insult.

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23 minutes ago, TheCid said:

As someone who wears glasses, I consider that an insult.

Not to mention past presidents

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2 hours ago, jakeem said:

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Trump is banking on acquittal in the Senate by his partisans. Even if that happens, Trump will stand in the same shoes as President Andrew Johnson.
 
Trump will go down in history as someone who tried to cheat in the 2020 election with the help of a foreign power and got caught.
 
9:10 PM · Dec 18, 2019·Twitter Web App

" High crimes and misdemeanors"

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I thought it was adorable, while watching some of that dog and pony show "debate" on TV last night, that the republicans labored under the delusion that the democrat push for impeachment was somehow more partisan than their push to impeach Bill Clinton 20 years ago.   But to me, it showed how united and organised the republicans are as they all seemed to be reading off the same notes.  ;)    But then too, it shows the democrats are just as "unified".   

But last night, Trump gave proof that even when preaching to the choir he can't be honest.  In a speech last night given in Battle creek, MI he said, "I brought the automobile business back to Michigan."        ???

My memory  has it that the automotive industry in Michigan was near collapse until the BAILOUT achieved during the Obama administration.   That plus the fact that during the whole struggle, NONE of the automotive industry LEFT Michigan makes his claim all the more absurd.  That plus spending time making fun of PETE BUTTIGIEG'S  name for 5 minutes.  Pointless blather that only proved that Donald Trump sure loves himself  a lot of him. (meaning Donald Trump)

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Inside the decision to impeach Trump: How both parties wrestled with a constitutional crisis 

The experience tested the will of centrist Democrats in Trump districts and caused anxiety among Republicans in their effort to defend the president.

By Rachael Bade, Mike DeBonis and Josh Dawsey    Read more »
 

Trump is impeached by the House, creating an indelible mark on his presidency

By Philip Rucker, Felicia Sonmez and Colby Itkowitz    Read more »
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2 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:
The Washington Post
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(Melina Mara/The Washington Post) 

Inside the decision to impeach Trump: How both parties wrestled with a constitutional crisis 

The experience tested the will of centrist Democrats in Trump districts and caused anxiety among Republicans in their effort to defend the president.

By Rachael Bade, Mike DeBonis and Josh Dawsey    Read more »
 

Trump is impeached by the House, creating an indelible mark on his presidency

By Philip Rucker, Felicia Sonmez and Colby Itkowitz    Read more »

Great article as usual by Philip Rucker. He's one of the best reporters in the country and you can see him often on "Washington Week" on PBS.

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3 hours ago, jakeem said:

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Just clinically speaking, seeing @SpeakerPelosi and @senatemajldr joust is like watching Sherlock Holmes tangle with Professor Moriarty. Two old masters, playing the game at an entirely different level.
 
11:10 AM · Dec 19, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

They said Moriarty was the Napoleon of crime-- so he eventually met his Waterloo.

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Today on the Senate floor, Sen. McConnell complained about the impeachment process and made partisan accusations.
 
But in his 30-minute speech in Pres. Trump's "defense," he didn't defend the president on the merits.
 
A damning reflection on the state of Pres. Trump's defense.
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McConnell is saying the Constitution states that Articles of Impeachment must be referred to the Senate IMMEDIATELY?
 
This, from a man who held up a SCOTUS nomination for a year
 
AND refuses to allow 400 pieces of legislation to be debated.
 
Hypocrisy, thine name is Mitch McConnell.
 
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POTUS lawyers are looking at various options for proceeding if House doesn't send articles of impeachment to the Senate.
 
POTUS doesn't want it to be left hanging that he was impeached and nothing was done by Republicans to defend him in the Senate.
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91 minutes after President Trump’s July 25 call: Michael Duffey sent an email ordering military assistance to Ukraine be withheld.
 
If there was ever an argument that we need Duffey and others to testify & we need the documents we requested—this is it. This email is explosive.
 
If there is nothing wrong with withholding the aid, why didn’t Michael Duffey want anyone to know about what he was doing?
 
If the call was so perfect, why is the email so “sensitive” that it should be kept hush-hush?
 
What are they afraid of?
 
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I found this article on the Impeachment and Trial process.  Scroll down to House Managers as that is where we are now.  

Note that any senator can make a motion to dismiss the charges and a majority vote is all that is needed for that.  McConnell, Graham and the other GOPers may just do that.  Unless of course Pelosi and Schumer can get the Senate rules changed.

Actually we are past the Trump Impeachment (sort of) and should now be at the Trump Trial phase.  Officially that does not start until Pelosi picks the managers and sends the Impeachment charges to McConnell.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/what-is-impeachment-process.html

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18 minutes ago, TheCid said:

I found this article on the Impeachment and Trial process.  Scroll down to House Managers as that is where we are now.  

Note that any senator can make a motion to dismiss the charges and a majority vote is all that is needed for that.  McConnell, Graham and the other GOPers may just do that.  Unless of course Pelosi and Schumer can get the Senate rules changed.

Actually we are past the Trump Impeachment (sort of) and should now be at the Trump Trial phase.  Officially that does not start until Pelosi picks the managers and sends the Impeachment charges to McConnell.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/what-is-impeachment-process.html

As you know,  for Pelosi and Schumer to "get the Senate rules changed" it would require McConnell and GOP Senator cooperation.     

That isn't likely to happen,   but what surprised me was Mitch going on Fox to broadcast how he was going to handled things.    I assume he did this to appease Trump but it was a really non-strategic thing to do.      Instead Mitch should have just made simple comments like "we will do our Constitutional duties".      Pelosi sends the articles over,  and then McConnell holds an up-and-down vote (on a Friday) and the charges are dismissed.       Dems go nuts but what-is-done-is-done.   

Now the spotlight is on McConnell and how the Senate will conduct a trial,  and that makes it much harder for Mitch to pull such stunts.    

 

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On 12/19/2019 at 10:32 AM, NipkowDisc said:

the mark is so indelible that he is still president.

:lol:

Well they’ll get that Orange Stain out of the WH soon enough, even  if they have to use Bon Ami.

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31 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

As you know,  for Pelosi and Schumer to "get the Senate rules changed" it would require McConnell and GOP Senator cooperation.     

That isn't likely to happen,   but what surprised me was Mitch going on Fox to broadcast how he was going to handled things.    I assume he did this to appease Trump but it was a really non-strategic thing to do.      Instead Mitch should have just made simple comments like "we will do our Constitutional duties".      Pelosi sends the articles over,  and then McConnell holds an up-and-down vote (on a Friday) and the charges are dismissed.       Dems go nuts but what-is-done-is-done.   

Now the spotlight is on McConnell and how the Senate will conduct a trial,  and that makes it much harder for Mitch to pull such stunts.    

 

Was watching Fox news little while ago and if I heard correctly a couple of the commentators more or less said the same thing.  All senators should NOT say how they are going to vote.

As for McConnell and Graham, it just shows how dumb they really are.  Now no matter what, the Dems and Trump critics will be able to prove that the Senate trial was a total fabrication and totally dishonest.

Of course, 51 senators could change the rules.  47 Dems plus  4 GOPers in close races or with actual conscience.  Would McConnell dare not to have a vote on it?

 

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6 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Was watching Fox news little while ago and if I heard correctly a couple of the commentators more or less said the same thing.  All senators should NOT say how they are going to vote.

As for McConnell and Graham, it just shows how dumb they really are.  Now no matter what, the Dems and Trump critics will be able to prove that the Senate trial was a total fabrication and totally dishonest.

Of course, 51 senators could change the rules.  47 Dems plus  4 GOPers in close races or with actual conscience.  Would McConnell dare not to have a vote on it?

 

Pence doesn't get a tie-breaker vote in such proceedings and 1 vote may make all the difference in the world.

Does Mitch have 51 votes for outright dismal?          MAYBE he did BEFORE he opened his mouth on Fox,   but now,,,, I doubt it.    

So yea,  Mitch and Lindsey have,  so far,  really messed up the works IF their goal was to get "this" over with ASAP.     

     

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Replying to
1/ Where we were just *days* ago? McConnell making clear the Senate would move to a quick vote on the articles after a presentation by each side *without* live testimony.
 
Then Pelosi held the articles. Then the explosive Duffey Letter dropped.
 
*Now* Mitch is back on his heels......
 
6/ More broadly, America is learning that now that articles of impeachment have put Trump on *notice* of the consequences of further invitations of foreign interference in our elections
 
, there's no rush to end the ongoing investigations into what he's hiding and what else he did.........
 
 
8/ The McGahn case won't be heard until January—which means the House argument that it should hold the articles
 
in *part* because more articles may be forthcoming
once the testimony Trump obstructed goes forward is an active and compelling argument through at *least* next month......
 
 
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