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: In WA state, over half of the 61 people attending a choir practice at a church became infected. Two died.

Nearly 40% of the 92 worshippers at a rural Arkansas church became infected. Three died.

Another 26 community infections were linked to the church outbreak

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Press Sec. Kayleigh McEnany: "We can all hope this Sunday people are allowed to pray to their gods."
 
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1 hour ago, mr6666 said:
 
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: In WA state, over half of the 61 people attending a choir practice at a church became infected. Two died.

Nearly 40% of the 92 worshippers at a rural Arkansas church became infected. Three died.

Another 26 community infections were linked to the church outbreak

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Press Sec. Kayleigh McEnany: "We can all hope this Sunday people are allowed to pray to their gods."
 
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Dr. William Schaffner on President Trump declaring houses of worship "essential":
 
“The virus is NOT religious...It won’t respond to prayer..
 
.It loves congregations...Religious gatherings have been sources...where this virus has been transmitted widely.”
 
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https://www.rt.com/op-ed/488650-slavoj-zizek-schmidt-cuomo-matrix/

Slavoj Zizek: The Schmidt-Cuomo digital future is a highway to the Matrix

The basic functions of New York state could soon be “reimagined” under the alliance of Governor Andrew Cuomo and Big Tech personified. Is this the testing ground for a dystopian “no-touch” future?

It may appear that the basic choice we have in coping with the pandemic is the one between the Trump way (return to economic activity in the conditions of market freedom and profitability, even if this means thousands of more deaths) and what our media decry as the Chinese way (total digitalized state control of individuals).

However, in the United States, a third option is now propagated by the New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and ex-CEO of Google Eric Schmidt, with Michael Bloomberg plus Bill and Melinda Gates in the background – Naomi Klein of the Intercept called this option a “Screen New Deal.” It promises safety from infection while maintaining all the personal freedoms liberals care for – but does it have a chance to work?

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From Camping To Dining Out:

Here's How Experts Rate The Risks Of 14 Summer Activities-

 

............"We can think of transmission risk with a simple phrase:

time, space, people, place," explains Dr. William Miller, an epidemiologist at Ohio State University.

 

Here's his rule of thumb: The more time you spend and the closer in space you are to any infected people, the higher your risk. Interacting with more people raises your risk, and indoor places are riskier than outdoors.

Dr. Emily Landon, hospital epidemiologist and infectious diseases specialist at University of Chicago Medicine, has her own shorthand: "Always choose outdoors over indoor, always choose masking over or not masking, and always choose more space for fewer people over a smaller space."

Our experts shared their thoughts.........

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/23/861325631/from-camping-to-dining-out-heres-how-experts-rate-the-risks-of-14-summer-activit?utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR12fJszL3sZlrHTxERLUezqAd0pSY_FVtQf-zS7qVUHD-CNBAD7D-CASzE

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(Birx)  offered a message to those who say they have a right not to wear a mask in public.
 
"Out of respect for each other, as Americans that care for each other, we need to be wearing masks in public when we cannot social distance," she said.
 
In an interview with ABC, Birx said "there's asymptomatic spread. And that means that people are spreading the virus unknowingly."
 
"And this is unusual in the case of respiratory diseases," Birx said. "So you don't know who's infected. And so we really want to be clear all the time that social distancing is absolutely critical. And if you can't social distance and you're outside, you must wear a mask."
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https://www.rt.com/op-ed/487713-slavoj-zizek-epidemics-covid/

Slavoj Zizek: Epidemics are like wars, they can drag on for YEARS

We should stop thinking that after a peak in the Covid-19 epidemic things will gradually return to normal. The crisis will drag on. But this doesn’t mean the situation is hopeless.

In the Marx Brothers’ comedy Duck Soup, Groucho (as a lawyer defending his client at a court) says: “He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don’t let that fool you. He really is an idiot.” 

Something along these lines should be our reaction to those who display their basic distrust of state orders and see the lockdowns as a conspiracy of the state power which uses the epidemics as a pretext to deprive us of our basic freedoms: “The state is imposing lockdowns which deprive us of our freedoms, and it expects us to control each other in how we obey this order; but this should not fool us, we should really follow the lockdown orders.”

 

One should note how calls to abolish lockdowns come from the opposite ends of the traditional political spectrum. In the US, they are propelled by libertarian Rightists, while in Germany, small Leftist groups advocate them. In both cases, medical knowledge is criticized as a tool of disciplining people, treating them as helpless victims who should be isolated for their own good. What is not difficult to discover beneath this critical stance is the stance of not-wanting-to-know: if we ignore the threat, it will not be so bad, we’ll manage to pass through it… 

The US libertarian Right claims lockdowns should be eased so that people will be given back their freedom of choice. But what choice is it? 

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1 hour ago, Sukhov said:

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/487713-slavoj-zizek-epidemics-covid/

Slavoj Zizek: Epidemics are like wars, they can drag on for YEARS

 

Pestilence, wars, poverty...they will always be with us.

 

Heaven help how man will cope if we ever lose over a couple of billion.

Black Death type of plagues can happen again and man's science won't help any more than fighting this one.

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3 hours ago, Sukhov said:

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/487713-slavoj-zizek-epidemics-covid/

Slavoj Zizek: Epidemics are like wars, they can drag on for YEARS

We should stop thinking that after a peak in the Covid-19 epidemic things will gradually return to normal. The crisis will drag on. But this doesn’t mean the situation is hopeless.

In the Marx Brothers’ comedy Duck Soup, Groucho (as a lawyer defending his client at a court) says: “He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don’t let that fool you. He really is an idiot.” 

Something along these lines should be our reaction to those who display their basic distrust of state orders and see the lockdowns as a conspiracy of the state power which uses the epidemics as a pretext to deprive us of our basic freedoms: “The state is imposing lockdowns which deprive us of our freedoms, and it expects us to control each other in how we obey this order; but this should not fool us, we should really follow the lockdown orders.”

 

One should note how calls to abolish lockdowns come from the opposite ends of the traditional political spectrum. In the US, they are propelled by libertarian Rightists, while in Germany, small Leftist groups advocate them. In both cases, medical knowledge is criticized as a tool of disciplining people, treating them as helpless victims who should be isolated for their own good. What is not difficult to discover beneath this critical stance is the stance of not-wanting-to-know: if we ignore the threat, it will not be so bad, we’ll manage to pass through it… 

The US libertarian Right claims lockdowns should be eased so that people will be given back their freedom of choice. But what choice is it? 

While this will possibly last for years, and while viruses of this sort can come every so often, the difference in how many people die depends on the response of our leaders, how soon, how strong and for how long.  Our self-Centered “President” has failed and continues to fail in this.  Denying it existed, just a hoax to bring him down, then minimizing it as no worse than the common cold, had him waste a couple of months.  Once he realized this was real, he became the “Wartime President”, but did nothing to use the Defense Production Act to assist in producing the needed supplies and equipment needed across the country.  Instead he had the states compete against each other in trying to secure supplies.  He has done nothing but to continue with false information, about the trajectory of the virus, numbers of infections and deaths,  and promoting unsafe untested “cures”.  He will not allow his scientists to contradict him, and has dithered on the reopening the country, watering down the plan, and even then disregarding this.  He has made this a partisan divide , like everything else, and casts himself as THE Victim in all of this.

In the meantime, there are 100,000 dead Americans ( and probably an undercount)and continuing to rise,  thanks largely to his response.  And on the Memorial Day weekend, when he has itched to allow Houses of worship to reopen, does Trump go to a church to reflect, pray or otherwise commemorate the lives lost!?!  No!!!   He goes GOLFING!?!?!  2 days in a row!  What a leader!!??!! 

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2 hours ago, hamradio said:

Pestilence, wars, poverty...they will always be with us.

 

Heaven help how man will cope if we ever lose over a couple of billion.

Black Death type of plagues can happen again and man's science won't help any more than fighting this one.

Your answer for things brought about by human folly always seems to be that "it will always be with us."  As if it is part of nature and not man made so don't even bother trying to do anything about it.  

You always seem to be belittling the problem.  I recall that you started by saying this pandemic was nothing worse than the common flu.

For someone who likes to quote science all the time you seem to know jack.

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On 5/22/2020 at 6:08 PM, mr6666 said:
 
 
Press Sec. Kayleigh McEnany: "We can all hope this Sunday people are allowed to pray to their gods."
 
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Someone should tell these evangelicals to read the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 6:6):

"But whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

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18 hours ago, hamradio said:

Pestilence, wars, poverty...they will always be with us.

 

Heaven help how man will cope if we ever lose over a couple of billion.

Black Death type of plagues can happen again and man's science won't help any more than fighting this one.

Science does a lot more to benefit mankind and all the world creatures,  than some made up,  so called 'god'.

 

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6 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Science does a lot more to benefit mankind and all the world creatures,  than some made up,  so called 'god'.

 

Yeah where is (S)cience during this outbreak,  Covid  it's kryptonite?   

Doesn't it suppose to zoom to the rescue and save thousands of lives?

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1 hour ago, hamradio said:

Yeah where is (S)cience during this outbreak,  Covid  it's kryptonite?   

Doesn't it suppose to zoom to the rescue and save thousands of lives?

 

Only an idiot god-believer,  who lacks an understanding of science,  would ask such misguided,  immature and silly questions.

 

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1 hour ago, hamradio said:

Yeah where is (S)cience during this outbreak,  Covid  it's kryptonite?   

Doesn't it suppose to zoom to the rescue and save thousands of lives?

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 I'm happy to say I've seen science Zoom in and save millions of lives from death and disability.

When Dr Jonas Salk came up with the polio vaccine parents all over the world were thrilled that their children would not have to go through that horror.

Now, I can testify though that the vaccination needle was a little scary in itself.

Today there are scientists and doctors who are working on a vaccine for covid-19. They are just as dedicated as Dr Jonas Salk and fortunately they have a lot more technology than he had when he discovered that unbelievable vaccine.

I could give other examples like penicillin or the smallpox vaccination, but the discovery of the polio vaccine is something I personally experienced so that's how I know the benefits of science.

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