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Just now, Bogie56 said:

This may be splitting hairs but when they do find evidence of fraud or malfeasance those votes are not counted.  The votes are scrutinized for names of people who are dead, etc.  So I repeat they have found n evidence of fraud - in the votes.

The fact the votes were cast or attempted to be cast is evidence of fraud.  They have found no evidence of wide spread fraud.  That's why they keep using that phrase.

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1 minute ago, ElCid said:

The fact the votes were cast or attempted to be cast is evidence of fraud.  They have found no evidence of wide spread fraud.  That's why they keep using that phrase.

I repeat, if found and discarded THE VOTE is not compromised by fraud.  I don't even know why you are arguing that.  Except you now seem to want to argue about everything.

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1 minute ago, Bogie56 said:

I repeat, if found and discarded THE VOTE is not compromised by fraud.  I don't even know why you are arguing that.  Except you now seem to want to argue about everything.

Not arguing, just pointing out alternatives to your posts.  You seem to be just as interested in "arguing." if not more so.

The issue is attempts at voter fraud, which unfortunately too many people try to shorten down to just "voter fraud."  If attempts are made, somehow they must be discovered and the ballots discarded.  If not, then the fraudulent votes are counted.

You said:  "So I repeat they have found no evidence of fraud - in the votes."  All the election officials, news media and so forth state there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

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2 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

And shove higher education down the throats of their chillun.

Or put into right wing lingo, Indoctrinate our children with socialistic, Marxist, and atheistic garbage. 

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2 hours ago, ElCid said:

Yoou're beginning to sound as bad as Nipper and Jakie - but from the other side.

Incidentally, I live in what is considered a rural area and there are a lot of people out here who the Dems could reach with the right position on the right issues.  Especially younger voters.

 

When I start posting bizarre conspiracy theories, then I'll join their club. Younger voters might be more amenable

to some Democratic positions, including on social issues, but I don't see older GOP voters doing the same. And

how far would the Democrats have to go to be acceptable to these voters and not turn into a pale reflection of

the Republican party? 

As a personal caveat, I'm not a real American. The right wingers who defined real Americans as only those who

agreed with their rather narrow definition were wrong to do so, but in a certain respect they were correct. In

theory you can believe just about anything, but in everyday practice Americans are ultra patriotic, militaristic,

and religious. I'm not, so in that respect I'm not an American, but I'm not bothered by it, it's just the way it is.

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5 minutes ago, Vautrin said:

When I start posting bizarre conspiracy theories, then I'll join their club. Younger voters might be more amenable

to some Democratic positions, including on social issues, but I don't see older GOP voters doing the same. And

how far would the Democrats have to go to be acceptable to these voters and not turn into a pale reflection of

the Republican party? 

As a personal caveat, I'm not a real American. The right wingers who defined real Americans as only those who

agreed with their rather narrow definition were wrong to do so, but in a certain respect they were correct. In

theory you can believe just about anything, but in everyday practice Americans are ultra patriotic, militaristic,

and religious. I'm not, so in that respect I'm not an American, but I'm not bothered by it, it's just the way it is.

I can see where you are coming from, but in practice, Americans are not "ultra-patriotic, militaristic nor religious."  Many just wish to appear so.

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1 hour ago, Bogie56 said:

This may be splitting hairs but when they do find evidence of fraud or malfeasance those votes are not counted.  The votes are scrutinized for names of people who are dead, etc.  So I repeat they have found n evidence of fraud - in the votes.

I don't think "this" is splitting hairs but in fact adding clarity;    I.e. no fraud in the final-votes-that-qualify.       So to me there is a big difference between "no fraud in the final-votes-that-qualify" and "no voter fraud"  (which to me implies that no voter attempted fraud,  e.g.  voting twice,  submitting a ballot for a dead person, etc..).

 Cid made this point as well.   The former is a reflection on "election officials and if they did their jobs correctly"   and the latter a reflection on voters.

(and of course Trump supporters and GOP officials,  claim both types of fraud are occurring!).

 

  

     

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On 11/11/2020 at 4:54 PM, ElCid said:

I can see where you are coming from, but in practice, Americans are not "ultra-patriotic, militaristic nor religious."  Many just wish to appear so.

Whether they are or just want to appear so, the result, at least in the public square, is still the same.

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Sen. Lindsey Graham of S.C. has donated $ 1 Million of his unused campaign funds to the two Republican candidates in GA.  This after saying he was in the fight of his career and needed all the money he could get to defeat Dem Jamie Harrison.  Apparently he banked quite a bit of whatever he received in donations.

One oft overlooked aspect of political campaign funds is that while they cannot be used for personal benefit, they can be transferred to other political candidates.

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CNN and ABC have called Georgia for Biden and North Carolina for Trump, making the final Electoral College tally 306 to 232, the same as it was for the Trump/Clinton race, when Trump repeatedly called his 306 total "a huge landslide."  The popular vote at the moment gives Biden more than a 5 million vote majority, so in every sense, Biden's win is a massive landslide, by Trump's own measure!

Joe Biden becomes first Democrat in 28 years to win Georgia

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/joe-biden-wins-georgia/index.html

 

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3 minutes ago, Swithin said:

CNN and ABC have called Georgia for Biden and North Carolina for Trump, making the final Electoral College tally 306 to 232, the same as it was for the Trump/Clinton race, when Trump repeatedly called his 306 total "a huge landslide."  The popular vote at the moment give Biden more than a 5 million vote majority, so in every sense, Biden's win is a massive landslide, by Trump's own measure!

Joe Biden becomes first Democrat in 28 years to win Georgia

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/joe-biden-wins-georgia/index.html

 

Changing Demographics are changing the political Arena everywhere.:)

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MICHIGAN. State Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey (R) says Joe Biden is President-elect and that the Republican-majority state legislature will not award the state's electoral votes to Pres Trump: "Not going to happen."
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Debbie Mucarsel-Powell. (D) US representative from FL was on either MSNBC or CNN this morning to discuss why she lost.  Basically because the Republicans were so much better at targeted messaging and getting out the vote.  Also, most of the messaging was misinformation.  She is from South America and was elected in 2018.  One of two Dems to have their districts in FL flipped.

With the re-election of Pelosi as speaker and selection of Hoyer and Clyburn as her assistants, I doubt the Dems will fare very well in 2022.  NOT that they need more from the left or the Progressives, but they need new people that can create messaging to counteract the false messaging from the Republicans.

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22 minutes ago, ElCid said:

Refresh  my memory, what's the one that Trump won?

I wonder if the "one" is where a judge did rule that the PA ballots that came in after Nov 3rd,  had to be separated from the rest of the ballots since there was a pending case of if those ballots should be  counted or not. 

 

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