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1 hour ago, TheCid said:

A USA Today poll shows that GOPers by a 2 to 1 margin would be OK with Trump dumping Pence in favor of Nikki Haley.  Not sure Haley would be OK with that as her plan is to run for president in 2024 after she makes a lot more money.

Haley and her advisers are watching those Biden vs Trump poll numbers.     I wonder what the historical record is for a V.P.  candidate (that was never an incumbent V.P.),   as part of a losing ticket,  has been their parties' Presidential candidate in the following election  (but I assume this is very rare).

I.e. why risk tainting your reputation within your own party being part of a losing ticket.     So even if Trump was to ask,  Haley should say NO.   A lost weakens Pence,  and positions Haley well for 2024.

 

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12 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Haley and her advisers are watching those Biden vs Trump poll numbers.     I wonder what the historical record is for a V.P.  candidate (that was never an incumbent V.P.),   as part of a losing ticket,  has been their parties' Presidential candidate in the following election  (but I assume this is very rare).

I.e. why risk tainting your reputation within your own party being part of a losing ticket.     So even if Trump was to ask,  Haley should say NO.   A lost weakens Pence,  and positions Haley well for 2024.

 

Will it be President Harris or President Haley for 2024?

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9 hours ago, noah80 said:

Will it be President Harris or President Haley for 2024?

God, I hope it's the former!  Haley is just another right-wing knothead who dresses better and has better manners than her GOP male counterparts, but strip away the veneer, and she's all about enabling the worst qualities of conservative Americans who want minorities to be put in their place (constantly) as far as socio-economic matters are concerned.

As for Mike Pence, is it Vice Presidents from Indiana that are so bad, or just Republicans from there?  Or just Republicans period?

It's 4 months from Election Day.  Hopefully that night, Americans far and wide will crank up Paula Abdul's "Promise of a New Day". 

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10 hours ago, noah80 said:

Will it be President Harris or President Haley for 2024?

Having lived under Haley as governor for about six years, she cannot hold a candle to the worst in the Dem Party.  Totally unfit and unqualified.  S.C. is a state where the legislature has most of the power and this kept Haley from doing too  much harm.

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10 hours ago, noah80 said:

Will it be President Harris or President Haley for 2024?

This could only happen in America-- both women, though born in the United States, have parents who were born in India-- Asian Indian Nationals.

America's truly a Universal picture of the world.

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1 hour ago, TheCid said:

Having lived under Haley as governor for about six years, she cannot hold a candle to the worst in the Dem Party.  Totally unfit and unqualified.  S.C. is a state where the legislature has most of the power and this kept Haley from doing too  much harm.

You would vote for A.O.C. over Haley?

 

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1 hour ago, Princess of Tap said:

This could only happen in America-- both women, though born in the United States, have parents who were born in India-- Asian Indian Nationals.

America's truly a Universal picture of the world.

also this could only happen in America....a Reality Show Host becoming President

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6 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

You would vote for A.O.C. over Haley?

 

I do not understand your post.  What has AO-C to do with it?  The post to which I replied was Harris vs. Haley.  As for AO-C, I do not see her ever being a presidential nominee.  Of course I thought the same thing about Trump.

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7 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

This could only happen in America-- both women, though born in the United States, have parents who were born in India-- Asian Indian Nationals.

America's truly a Universal picture of the world.

To be precise, Harris' father is from Jamaica and her mother is from India.

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51 minutes ago, TheCid said:

I do not understand your post.  What has AO-C to do with it?  The post to which I replied was Harris vs. Haley.  As for AO-C, I do not see her ever being a presidential nominee.  Of course I thought the same thing about Trump.

Re-read what you posted:  "Having lived under Haley as governor for about six years, she cannot hold a candle to the worst in the Dem Party".

AND since I believe A.O.C.  is the one of the "worst in the Dem Party",     AND that she will run for President sometime in this decade (especially if she beats Chuck Schumer in 2022, and trust me here,  she will challenge Schumer),   it was a natural question to ask.     

So what did you mean by "in the Dem Party"?      E.g. just those Dems that ran for President this year?    (because then I would have asked if you would have voted for Sanders over Haley).     Just those Dems in S.C.? 

 

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1 hour ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

I believe A.O.C.  is the one of the "worst in the Dem Party", 

 

Even if true James, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is still a far sight better than the best the Republicans have to offer in the future.  The only Senate Republicans with a modicum of spine and integrity are Mitt Romney and Lisa Murkowski, but even she couldn't bring herself to vote to impeach the President when she had the chance, unlike Romney.

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4 minutes ago, midwestan said:

Even if true James, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is still a far sight better than the best the Republicans have to offer in the future.  The only Senate Republicans with a modicum of spine and integrity are Mitt Romney and Lisa Murkowski, but even she couldn't bring herself to vote to impeach the President when she had the chance, unlike Romney.

You may find this odd,  but I don't care too much about the character of a politician.   Instead my focus is mainly where a politician stands on policy.     

I don't belong to either of the two main political parties (or any political party).    It just isn't logically possible for every Dem to be better than ANY Republican.   

YES,  the current Republican party is at it's lowest point since I've been a voter, and thus,  I'll be voting a Dem ticket this November,,,  but that is only for this election.

I don't wish for either party to have majorities in both the House and Senate as well as the office of the President,  since that leads to that party having too much power which they just use to cater to the special-interest that drive them. 

 

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10 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

You may find this odd,  but I don't care too much about the character of a politician.   Instead my focus is mainly where a politician stands on policy.     

I don't belong to either of the two main political parties (or any political party).    It just isn't logically possible for every Dem to be better than ANY Republican.   

YES,  the current Republican party is at it's lowest point since I've been a voter, and thus,  I'll be voting a Dem ticket this November,,,  but that is only for this election.

I don't wish for either party to have majorities in both the House and Senate as well as the office of the President,  since that leads to that party having too much power which they just use to cater to the special-interest that drive them. 

 

You've said this before but your position is baffling.  Nothing will get done in this scenario.  Mitch McConnell has proved that.  So you must chose one party or the other if you wish to see any progress in your country.  Go forward with the democrats or back to the 17th century with the Republicans.

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Just now, Bogie56 said:

You've said this before but your position is baffling.  Nothing will get done in this scenario.  Mitch McConnell has proved that.  So you must chose one party or the other if you wish to see any progress in your country.  Go forward with the democrats or back to the 17th century with the Republicans.

I get where James is coming from, and I'm not a registered anything either, but I happen to prefer Democratic Party policies.  They are the ones who care about people being able to afford health care that people in other developed countries receive without driving them into near bankruptcy or poverty.  They also are more concerned about environmental standards relating to the quality of the air we breathe, the water we drink, and the soil we till.  They also believe it's unfair to discriminate against people due to their:  age, gender, race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, etc..  Republican males run around claiming to be pro-life, but as soon as their 'on-the-side' mistress is impregnated by them, they whip out their checkbook to pay for the abortion.  They want to limit everything or abolish anything Democrats stand for, but when it comes to guns and gun violence, they sound like The Andrea True Connection song, "More, More, More"!  For me, the GOP doesn't stand for "Grand Old Party".  It now stands for "Gotta Oppress People".

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Forgetting about Trump's craziness for the moment, he has done so much damage with his policies that we need Democratic control of the three branches of government to begin to reclaim some sense. For example, if Biden wins the presidency and the Senate remains in Republican hands, it would be nearly impossible to get a good candidate confirmed for the Supreme Court.

Regarding the AOC paranoia, I don't see it in New York. She won her elections because the demographics have changed in that district, from a working class white neighborhood to a largely black and latino one. It wasn't a rush to the left. Just as Eliot Engel, the multi-term congressman lost, not because of a rush to the left, but because his largely Jewish/Irish/Italian district is now largely black and hispanic.  (Engel's district includes Co-op City in the Bronx, a huge area, once largely Jewish, now mostly black. His district also includes Woodlawn Cemetery, where the residents, who include George M. Cohan,  presumably don't vote.)

I don't see AOC beating Schumer. The rest of NYC, though progressive, is not far left, and the rest of the state, including the suburbs and upstate, would never vote for her.  

 

 

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15 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Re-read what you posted:  "Having lived under Haley as governor for about six years, she cannot hold a candle to the worst in the Dem Party".

AND since I believe A.O.C.  is the one of the "worst in the Dem Party",     AND that she will run for President sometime in this decade (especially if she beats Chuck Schumer in 2022, and trust me here,  she will challenge Schumer),   it was a natural question to ask.     

So what did you mean by "in the Dem Party"?      E.g. just those Dems that ran for President this year?    (because then I would have asked if you would have voted for Sanders over Haley).     Just those Dems in S.C.? 

 

I meant the most likely person to be nominated for president, as well as the Dem governors and senators.  Also mostly for competence.  Although I am sure you can dig up someone questionable such as AO-C.

On the other hand, even Sanders is more competent than Haley and AO-C maybe as well.  However, I do disagree with their particular positions.

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2 hours ago, TheCid said:

I meant the most likely person to be nominated for president, as well as the Dem governors and senators.  Also mostly for competence.  Although I am sure you can dig up someone questionable such as AO-C.

On the other hand, even Sanders is more competent than Haley and AO-C maybe as well.  However, I do disagree with their particular positions.

Thanks for the clarity.    There is no way I would have interpreted "Dem party" to be only the"most likely person to be nominated for president, as well as the Dem governors and senators.  Also mostly for competence".

 

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14 hours ago, Swithin said:

Forgetting about Trump's craziness for the moment, he has done so much damage with his policies that we need Democratic control of the three branches of government to begin to reclaim some sense. For example, if Biden wins the presidency and the Senate remains in Republican hands, it would be nearly impossible to get a good candidate confirmed for the Supreme Court.

Regarding the AOC paranoia, I don't see it in New York. She won her elections because the demographics have changed in that district, from a working class white neighborhood to a largely black and latino one. It wasn't a rush to the left. Just as Eliot Engel, the multi-term congressman lost, not because of a rush to the left, but because his largely Jewish/Irish/Italian district is now largely black and hispanic.  (Engel's district includes Co-op City in the Bronx, a huge area, once largely Jewish, now mostly black. His district also includes Woodlawn Cemetery, where the residents, who include George M. Cohan,  presumably don't vote.)

I don't see AOC beating Schumer. The rest of NYC, though progressive, is not far left, and the rest of the state, including the suburbs and upstate, would never vote for her.  

 

 

I'm assuming that after the 2020 election; Biden is President,  Dems have a slightly larger majority in the House,  and the GOP 51 seats in the Senate,  with Moscow Mitch still the Senate majority leader:    Would Mitch have the political muscle to get all 51 GOP Senators "in-line"?         GOP Senators up for re-election in 2022 in states where Biden received more votes than Trump could be "picked-off" by sound Dem leadership by the House Speaker,  Senator minority leader,  V.P. and Biden  (depending on the legislation or the person seeking Senate confirmation).       

But you make a sound point that to move-the-needle-back,,,   the Dems need control of the Senate.

As for A.O.C.:   I agree with you that she is unlikely to beat Schumer;  I never said she would only that she will challenge him (depending on how much money she can raise in the next 18 months).         But as you note,  she won by skillfully using identity politics more so than being a progressive \ self identified "socialist".       Chuck is an "old white man";  like you said with Engel,   they lost not because of a rush-to-the-left but due to identity politics;    Could A.O.C. use identity-guilt to get just enough white NY voters to vote for her?  If the Dems don't "do enough" (again) as it relates to people-of-color  (as well as women) ,,,  well,,,,  more been-there-forever,   didn't-get-it-done,   white-male Dem incumbents  could face very serious challenges.

 

 

 

  

 

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Every state and local government does it differently. Election experts say that’s part of what makes it so secure.
 
With different systems across the U.S., it would be extremely difficult for anyone to “hack” the presidential election in any widespread way.
 

Guardrails line the journey in the life of a mail-in ballot

With the integrity of vote-by-mail becoming a political issue and the coronavirus driving demand for it, there are steps to ensure validity.
 
 
 
-Awwwwwww...............too hard to 'hack' ?
 
No wonder Drumpf/Putin HATE the idea
:rolleyes:

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9 hours ago, mr6666 said:
 
 
Every state and local government does it differently. Election experts say that’s part of what makes it so secure.
 
With different systems across the U.S., it would be extremely difficult for anyone to “hack” the presidential election in any widespread way.
 

Guardrails line the journey in the life of a mail-in ballot

With the integrity of vote-by-mail becoming a political issue and the coronavirus driving demand for it, there are steps to ensure validity.
 
 
 
-Awwwwwww...............too hard to 'hack' ?
 
No wonder Drumpf/Putin HATE the idea
:rolleyes:

While hacks by the Russians or others are a real threat, I am more concerned about how the Republican state and local voter officials might manipulate mail in ballot counting.

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4 hours ago, TheCid said:

While hacks by the Russians or others are a real threat, I am more concerned about how the Republican state and local voter officials might manipulate mail in ballot counting.

How would one manipulate mail in ballot counting?

 

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1 hour ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

How would one manipulate mail in ballot counting?

 

This presumes the Republicans would be heavily represented in the ranks of people receiving the envelopes.  Could they "lose" many of ones from areas that are heavily black or  Democratic?  Hopefully I am wrong. 

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