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On 7/9/2020 at 1:53 PM, Bogie56 said:
 
Breaking:
@sendavidperdue has undergone surgery to separate himself from Trump
and is now airing ads in Georgia that don’t even MENTION Trump.
No one has carried Trump’s water with more enthusiasm than Perdue
And now he ghosts h
 
Like rats from a sinking ship....

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16 hours ago, mr6666 said:
 
Breaking:
@sendavidperdue has undergone surgery to separate himself from Trump
and is now airing ads in Georgia that don’t even MENTION Trump.
No one has carried Trump’s water with more enthusiasm than Perdue
And now he ghosts h
 
Like rats from a sinking ship....

Question is once they have won the GOP nomination in their respective races, do they really need a connection to Trump?  Probably not, the Trump supporters will vote for the GOP candidate, whoever it is.  In addition, Trump will endorse the GOP candidates anyway as he fears the Dems retaining control of the House and gaining control of the Senate.

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Trump ad falsely suggests Biden supports defunding police

This Trump campaign ad falsely suggests that former vice president Joe Biden — his likely opponent in the 2020 election — supports defunding the police. (Donald J. Trump for President)
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July 14, 2020 at 3:00 a.m. EDT

Joe Biden’s supporters are fighting to defund police departments. Violent crime has exploded. You won’t be safe in Joe Biden’s America.” 

— Text of a Trump campaign ad, “Abolished,” over images of violence and a recording of a police answering machine, released July 2, 2020. 

The Trump campaign has a problem. Former vice president Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, has firmly rejected calls from left-wing activists to “defund police.” But clearly the Trump campaign wants to tag him with the somewhat confusing slogan. So it produced an ad that slickly tries to get around this uncomfortable fact.

The Trump campaign must think the effort is a winner. Ben Taber, an account manager at Advertising Analytics, says that as of July 13, the Trump campaign had spent $6.7 million placing the ad on network television and on local stations in Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, Ohio, Arizona, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nevada, Iowa, New Mexico and Michigan.

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24 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

Fact Checker

Analysis

Trump ad falsely suggests Biden supports defunding police

This Trump campaign ad falsely suggests that former vice president Joe Biden — his likely opponent in the 2020 election — supports defunding the police. (Donald J. Trump for President)
Image without a caption
By 
July 14, 2020 at 3:00 a.m. EDT

Joe Biden’s supporters are fighting to defund police departments. Violent crime has exploded. You won’t be safe in Joe Biden’s America.” 

— Text of a Trump campaign ad, “Abolished,” over images of violence and a recording of a police answering machine, released July 2, 2020. 

The Trump campaign has a problem. Former vice president Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, has firmly rejected calls from left-wing activists to “defund police.” But clearly the Trump campaign wants to tag him with the somewhat confusing slogan. So it produced an ad that slickly tries to get around this uncomfortable fact.

The Trump campaign must think the effort is a winner. Ben Taber, an account manager at Advertising Analytics, says that as of July 13, the Trump campaign had spent $6.7 million placing the ad on network television and on local stations in Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, Ohio, Arizona, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nevada, Iowa, New Mexico and Michigan.

Kessler misunderstands the overall Trump strategy at play here;    They know Biden doesn't support defunding of the police.    These ads are being done to get Biden and his team to more vocally make that point so that it upsets the BLM \ progressive \ A.O.C.  side of the Dem party that does supporting defunding of the police.

While 'defunding' has all sorts of meaning and conditions (e.g.  the L.A. mayor is redirecting < 2% of the police budget to inter-city community-services,,,,,  BLM wants 90% or more of the police budget to be 'redirected'),   the Trump campaign wishes to paint it as a black-and-white issue,    to split the Dem coalition.       Politics 101.

One needs to wait to see how BLM etc... respond to know how effective this Trump strategy will be.

AND the strategy isn't to get these folks to vote FOR Trump,   but instead to feel disenfranchised by the Dem party establishment and thus NOT vote at all.

 

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Could be a winner. Trump's main goal seems to be to keep whitey and friends riled up and

this ad certainly does that. Just as a political ad, it's pretty good.

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42 minutes ago, Vautrin said:

Could be a winner. Trump's main goal seems to be to keep whitey and friends riled up and

this ad certainly does that. Just as a political ad, it's pretty good.

John Kasich was on CNN yesterday and he said the only way that he can see Trump winning is to convince undecided "moderates" that Biden has moved too far left and a vote for him is a vote for BLM \ A.O.C.  (who he mentioned),   and the progressives.    Of course Trump's campaign is using FEAR to get "whitey and friends riled up".       Kasich made it very clear;  if these moderate voters believe the choice is between  a white-dominated law-and-order USA versus Seattle,,,,,    Trump can win.

Of course this is a bogus black-and-white way of framing the issue but if it forces Biden to openly state he is against the type of police "defunding" that BLM etc.. are pushing for ( here in Los Angeles the difference between the very liberal Dems in power and BLM are STILL as wide as the Grand Canyon),       the strategy will result in BLM and other black leaders to openly criticize Biden.            (or if Biden gives-in to BLM etc...   Trump can say to nervous whitey "I told you so,,,, the USA will be like Seattle with Biden as Pres!",)

 

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4 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

John Kasich was on CNN yesterday and he said the only way that he can see Trump winning is to convince undecided "moderates" that Biden has moved too far left and a vote for him is a vote for BLM \ A.O.C.  (who he mentioned),   and the progressives.    Of course Trump's campaign is using FEAR to get "whitey and friends riled up".       Kasich made it very clear;  if these moderate voters believe the choice is between  a white-dominated law-and-order USA versus Seattle,,,,,    Trump can win.

Of course this is a bogus black-and-white way of framing the issue but if it forces Biden to openly state he is against the type of police "defunding" that BLM etc.. are pushing for ( here in Los Angeles the difference between the very liberal Dems in power and BLM are STILL as wide as the Grand Canyon),       the strategy will result in BLM and other black leaders to openly criticize Biden.            (or if Biden gives-in to BLM etc...   Trump can say to nervous whitey "I told you so,,,, the USA will be like Seattle with Biden as Pres!",)

 

I think the first idea--ratcheting up voters' fears that a Biden presidency will result in some kind of hell

on Earth might possibly work. I think the second one--that BLM and other black leaders will turn against

Biden for saying he's against defunding the police, something he's already done, is a lot more problematical.

Might have too many working parts to be successful. We'll know in a few months.

 

 

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12 hours ago, Vautrin said:

I think the first idea--ratcheting up voters' fears that a Biden presidency will result in some kind of hell

on Earth might possibly work. I think the second one--that BLM and other black leaders will turn against

Biden for saying he's against defunding the police, something he's already done, is a lot more problematical.

Might have too many working parts to be successful. We'll know in a few months.

 

 

Yes,  both ideas \ strategies will be difficult to pull off.     Note that last weeks The Economist cover page had a picture of Biden (in a mask), with the headline:  Retro or radical?

How many voters are wanting the 'retro' versus the 'radical'  (instead of just anyone-but-Trump)?

In Los Angeles the battle isn't  getting ugly with religion and race,  at the moment,  but  could soon come into play since the mayor is Jewish and white.     There has always been this divide within the Dem collision in major cities like LA and NY.     Also a few BLM leaders have historically taken some very radical stances;   I.e. openly "Marxist"  and "socialist".      Biden has been careful,  but one or two major goofs that either upset the progressives or make moderate whites concerned about going too-far-left could flip battleground states that currently are in his favor.

 

 

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6 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Yes,  both ideas \ strategies will be difficult to pull off.     Note that last weeks The Economist cover page had a picture of Biden (in a mask), with the headline:  Retro or radical?

How many voters are wanting the 'retro' versus the 'radical'  (instead of just anyone-but-Trump)?

In Los Angeles the battle isn't  getting ugly with religion and race,  at the moment,  but  could soon come into play since the mayor is Jewish and white.     There has always been this divide within the Dem collision in major cities like LA and NY.     Also a few BLM leaders have historically taken some very radical stances;   I.e. openly "Marxist"  and "socialist".      Biden has been careful,  but one or two major goofs that either upset the progressives or make moderate whites concerned about going too-far-left could flip battleground states that currently are in his favor.

 

 

I think the first one will be easier to sell. A few talking heads are saying Trump's strategy is not to improve

his own favorable numbers, which will be hard to do, but to push Biden's down so that Biden will be as

unpopular as Trump. Whether that will work or not is a whole other thing, but that's the model.

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13 minutes ago, Vautrin said:

I think the first one will be easier to sell. A few talking heads are saying Trump's strategy is not to improve

his own favorable numbers, which will be hard to do, but to push Biden's down so that Biden will be as

unpopular as Trump. Whether that will work or not is a whole other thing, but that's the model.

Nice to see that someone else understands what I was saying yesterday:  this 'model' is NOT designed to get someone to vote for Trump but instead to get them disenfranchised and to NOT vote for at all ,  or to vote for some 3rd party candidate as a protest vote.     

Note in L.A.  Times,  front page  CA story headline is:   LAPD's Moore (police chief) in the crucible:  Activist angry at his handling of protests want him fired but City Hall backs him.  The gloves might come of BLM leadership and if it does it will get ugly.    

Of course CA is going to go to Biden (I"m predicting Trump gets < 40% of the vote here),   but if the Trump campaign can help foster similar battles in cities and counties in battleground states,   we just might have to look at his mug for another 4 years!

 

 

 

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On 7/14/2020 at 12:53 PM, jamesjazzguitar said:

Kessler misunderstands the overall Trump strategy at play here;    They know Biden doesn't support defunding of the police.    These ads are being done to get Biden and his team to more vocally make that point so that it upsets the BLM \ progressive \ A.O.C.  side of the Dem party that does supporting defunding of the police.

While 'defunding' has all sorts of meaning and conditions (e.g.  the L.A. mayor is redirecting < 2% of the police budget to inter-city community-services,,,,,  BLM wants 90% or more of the police budget to be 'redirected'),   the Trump campaign wishes to paint it as a black-and-white issue,    to split the Dem coalition.       Politics 101.

One needs to wait to see how BLM etc... respond to know how effective this Trump strategy will be.

AND the strategy isn't to get these folks to vote FOR Trump,   but instead to feel disenfranchised by the Dem party establishment and thus NOT vote at all.

 

It seems you have changed what you were saying.

I understand perfectly the scorched earth strategy of making one's opponent unappealing but you seem to be suggesting some complicated plot for the GOP to get Biden to upset AOC and her mob.  

I also think you have mischaracterized Vautrin's response which seems to be saying "keep it simple, stupid."   (And I don't mean you when I say that)  Which was my point that you thought was "clueless."

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2 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

It seems you have changed what you were saying.

I understand perfectly the scorched earth strategy of making one's opponent unappealing but you seem to be suggesting some complicated plot for the GOP to get Biden to upset AOC and her mob.  

I also think you have mischaracterized Vautrin's response which seems to be saying "keep it simple, stupid."   (And I don't mean you when I say that)  Which was my point that you thought was "clueless."

I don't think I've changed what I was saying.     I re-read what I initially said in to me it did NOT suggest some complicated plot but instead just an overall strategy.    The same strategy John Kasich and The Economist said was the only way Trump could beat Biden;     to get Biden to take firmer stances on issues like defunding police or Medicare for All,  to create a division within the Biden \ Dem coalition.

In fact I really disliked The Economist headline since it kind of followed the Trump strategy by pitting retro (moderate,  Dem establishment) and radical (progressive, socialist leaning, BLM).     There is a lot of ground between retro and radical on the complex issues,  like police reform,  that America needs to deal with.     The actual article made that clear but Trump couldn't have ask for a better cover page (of course since most American don't read The Economist,  it will have little impact).

 

 

 

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CNN has another article about a Dem landslide.      I hope that doesn't make Dem voters cocky;  Hey, I don't need to vote,,,, we are going to win by a landslide (especially by progressive that are lukewarm about Biden and the Dem establishment wing of the party,  and first-time,  younger voters, and those that often skip elections, with the misguided notion their vote isn't 'needed'). 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

CNN has another article about a Dem landslide.      I hope that doesn't make Dem voters cocky;  Hey, I don't need to vote,,,, we are going to win by a landslide (especially by progressive that are lukewarm about Biden and the Dem establishment wing of the party,  and first-time,  younger voters, and those that often skip elections, with the misguided notion their vote isn't 'needed'). 

 

 

It's 2016 deja vu all over again.

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2 minutes ago, TheCid said:

It's 2016 deja vu all over again.

Without the Comey October surprise and Wikileaks Russian hacks to put Trump over the edge one would hope.

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'Deepfakes' threaten the 2020 election

"........In the age of COVID, cyber is our nation’s Achilles’ heel. Nation states such as Russia and China are reportedly trying to steal our vaccine research via cyberattacks. And as we rely more on Zoom and the internet for work, school and our day-to-day living, a crippling attack on those systems could cause the work of many businesses, schools and government agencies to screech to a halt.

Most concerning are the deep fakes that could occur around the 2020 presidential campaign and election, particularly as voting patterns shift due to COVID restrictions. Messages about polling places, voting methods (mail-in, etc.) and whom to vote for are already ripe for disinformation campaigns from our adversaries looking to sew chaos..........

Congress and the executive branch must work urgently to prevent deep fake cyberattacks in the run-up to the election. Specifically, Congress should implement the recommendations of the bipartisan National Cyberspace Solarium Commission. Many of its recommendations are before Congress now as it considers the annual defense bills.

One recommendation in particular would be to strengthen the bipartisan, independent Election Assistance Commission (EAC), which is charged with informing the public about how and where to vote.

Congress should enact the Cyberspace Solarium’s recommendation to strengthen the EAC, ............

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/cybersecurity/508202-deepfakes-threaten-the-2020-election

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GOP has recruited tens of thousands of volunteers to "monitor" voting and try to get as many Dem votes as possible thrown out.  Also, they have already set aside many, many millions and hired lawyers in preparation of contesting the votes if Biden wins.

Of course, Trump and Barr will have a well trained, well armed and experienced combat force under DHS ready to prevent Biden from becoming president even if he is elected.

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LeBron James joins push to turn out ex-felon vote in Florida

More Than A Vote, a group established by James and others in the wake of George Floyd's death in Minneapolis, on Friday said it will donate $100,000 to help pay outstanding court debts of ex-felons so they can register to vote. The money will go to the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition, which in 2018 successfully pushed to a constitutional amendment that lifted Florida's lifetime voting ban on people with felony convictions. After the amendment passed, the Republican-led state Legislature earlier this year raised the bar for felons to vote, passing a law that is being challenged in federal court.

 

“Your right to vote shouldn’t depend upon whether or not you can pay to exercise it,”........

The partnership will help ensure that "formerly incarcerated American citizens — many of them Black and brown — are able to pay their outstanding fines and fees and register to vote in the 2020 election and beyond.”............

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/07/24/lebron-james-joins-push-to-turn-out-ex-felon-vote-in-florida-1303417

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