Yoda1978 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I will take 15 Actors and 15 Actresses all time and try To Make a List. These actors or actresses are for Them Born In America Actors 1 Harrison Ford 2 Morgan Freeman 3 Gary Cooper 4 John Wayne 5 Robert Duvall 6 Al Pacino 7 Robert Deniro 8 Robin Williams 9 Kirk Douglas 10 Samual L Jackson 11 Tom Hanks 12 Alan Alda 13 Daniel Day Lewis 14 Robert Downey Jr 15 Clint Eastwood Actresses 1 Carrie Fisher 2 Sissy Spacek 3 Angelina Jolie 4 Sally Field 5 Halle Berry 6 Nicole Kidman 7 Gwyneth Paltrow 8 Angie Dickinson 9 June Lockheart 10 Sharon Stone 11 Lynda Carter 12 Lauren Becall 13 Michelle Phieiffer. 14 Ashley Judd 15 Katherine Hepburn Boy that ways hard because allot of actresses I like seemed to be english or australian Link to post Share on other sites
sewhite2000 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I would definitely have Dustin Hoffman and Warren Beatty in my Top 15 actors. She's really hated around here, but I would probably put Meryl Streep on the actresses list. I like almost all of your pics. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda1978 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 June Lockheart is a tv actress but Her part as Timmys Mother On Lassie was pretty good. And she was stunning if go back and look at other tv moms in comparison back then. Link to post Share on other sites
sagebrush Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 10 hours ago, sewhite2000 said: She's really hated around here, but I would probably put Meryl Streep on the actresses list. I wasn't aware of this. Why is she so hated? Link to post Share on other sites
sewhite2000 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 You'd have to ask someone besides me, but I've seen a lot of negative comments about her on here over the years. Or at least a lot of people purporting to be completely unimpressed by her. Link to post Share on other sites
jamesjazzguitar Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 5 hours ago, sewhite2000 said: You'd have to ask someone besides me, but I've seen a lot of negative comments about her on here over the years. Or at least a lot of people purporting to be completely unimpressed by her. I do recall that there were some users here that made negative comments but from what I recall most were in the she-is-not-so-great category; I.e. that there was still a lot of respect for many of her performances but just that she wasn't the greatest, or the best of her generation. We often see similar comments about Bette Davis and Katherine Hepburn. I.e. those regarded as being at the top of their profession are often easy targets for being knocked down a peg or two. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Sepiatone Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 This may take some time, and some will fall prey to the "coin-toss" decision process... No particular order..... MARLON BRANDO CLARK GABLE JAMES CAGNEY HUMPHREY BOGART HENRY FONDA JIMMY STEWART GLENN FORD ANTHONY QUINN JAMES GARNER JOHN WAYNE JOHN GARFIELD GREGORY PECK KIRK DOUGLAS BURT LANCASTER SIDNEY POITIER MYRNA LOY CLAUDETTE COLBERT JUDY GARLAND GENE TIERNEY JEAN HARLOW CONSTANCE BENNETT TERESA WRIGHT KATY JURADO GRACE KELLY DIANE KEATON MAUREEN O'HARA ETHEL BARRYMORE DOROTHY DANDRIDGE ANGELA BASSETT MARILYN MONROE And believe me, there were at least 15 more on each list that lost the flip. And..... Just as I can't(and refuse to) limit my interests I can't(and refuse to) limit my likes and dislikes. Dig------- I once worked for a guy who had 17 children. For kicks, I asked him if he had any favorite kids. His answer?---- "Those kids livin' next door seem pretty nice." Point being he didn't like or love any of his kids more than any other of his kids. Sepiatone 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Princess of Tap Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Bette Davis Katharine Hepburn Barbara Stanwyck Carole Lombard Faye Dunaway Susan Hayward Hattie McDaniel Sandra Dee Lana Turner Natalie Wood Doris Day Lucille Ball Irene Dunne Loretta Young Gail Patrick Spencer Tracy Humphrey Bogart William Holden Sidney Poitier Al Pacino Clark Gable Richard Widmark Robert Stack Raymond Burr Fred MacMurray Fred Astaire Morgan Freeman Richard Chamberlain James Cagney James Stewart Link to post Share on other sites
jamesjazzguitar Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Ok, I'll give this a try: Bette Davis Barbara Stanwyck Olivia DeHavilland (yea, I view her as American over British given her film legacy). Jean Arthur Carole Lombard Katharine Hepburn Rosalind Russell Myrna Loy Joan Crawford Claire Trevor Gloria Grahame Irene Dunne Ava Gardner Joan Bennett Judy Garland Humphrey Bogart Cary Grant (ok, I can see how one would say he was British, but Wiki says British born, American actor). William Powell Robert Mitchum James Cagney Gary Cooper Errol Flynn (an Australian born, American actor) Alan Ladd Clark Gable William Holden Sidney Poitier John Garfield Richard Widmark James Stewart Spencer Tracy 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda1978 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 I kept wanting to add Maureen O Hara but am certain she was born in Ire Land Link to post Share on other sites
chaya bat woof woof Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Too many to name. I would add: Judy Holliday George Sanders Cary Grant is British (as was Charlie C.) I wouldn't put Harrison Ford or Cary F. on the list. Dana Andrews Fred March Kevin Kline (Sophie's Choice to A Fish Called Wanda) Martin Sheen (any one seen him in Badlands) Walter Huston Sharon Stone - no Nicole Kidman is an Aussie Some of the character actors (John Carradine sp?) I like Meryl but she became too political for some people. I agree with many of the answers. Link to post Share on other sites
Princess of Tap Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 3 hours ago, chaya bat woof woof said: Too many to name. I would add: Judy Holliday *George Sanders Cary Grant is British (as was Charlie C.) I wouldn't put Harrison Ford or Cary F. on the list. Dana Andrews Fred March Kevin Kline (Sophie's Choice to A Fish Called Wanda) Martin Sheen (any one seen him in Badlands) Walter Huston Sharon Stone - no Nicole Kidman is an Aussie Some of the character actors (John Carradine sp?) I like Meryl but she became too political for some people. I agree with many of the answers. *George Sanders was born in Russia and was British. Link to post Share on other sites
GGGGerald Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 5/14/2020 at 3:25 PM, Yoda1978 said: I will take 15 Actors and 15 Actresses all time and try To Make a List. These actors or actresses are for Them Born In America Actors 13 Daniel Day Lewis ???? Boy that ways hard because allot of actresses I like seemed to be english or australian That's the problem when you impose limits on the arts. You either leave out someone good. Or you include someone who doesn't really fit the criteria. I'll have to think on this to make a proper list. Link to post Share on other sites
Bogie56 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Robert De Niro Jack Nicholson Humphrey Bogart Al Pacino Marlon Brando Gene Hackman Robert Duvall Phillip Seymour Hoffman Spencer Tracy Sean Penn Anthony Quinn James Cagney Paul Newman Jack Lemmon Jeff Bridges Mery; Streep Katharine Hepburn Bette Davis Diane Keaton Ellen Burstyn Jessica Lange Sissy Spacek Jane Fonda Julianne Moore Faye Dunaway Amy Adams Irene Dunne Annette Bening Thelma Ritter Shirley Maclaine I had to disqualify Olivia de Havilland and Claudette Colbert Link to post Share on other sites
Allhallowsday Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 9 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said: Errol Flynn (an Australian born, American actor) He's an all-time favorite, but I also excluded EDWARD G. ROBINSON (probably #1 or 2 on all-time favorites regardless of where born - in his case, Romania). I stuck to American-born. TERESA WRIGHT BETTE DAVIS JOAN CRAWFORD FAYE DUNAWAY BARBARA HERSHEY AGNES MOOREHEAD BARBARA STANWYCK EVE ARDEN ROSALIND RUSSELL LOUISE BEAVERS MARJORIE MAIN ETHEL WATERS BILLIE BURKE SPRING BYINGTON KIM NOVAK WILLIAM POWELL JOHN WAYNE JAMES STEWART CLINT EASTWOOD WILLIAM HOLDEN WARREN OATES DUSTIN HOFFMAN AL PACINO ROBERT DeNIRO ROBIN WILLIAMS GENE HACKMAN HUMPHREY BOGART FREDRIC MARCH JOHN BARRYMORE CLARK GABLE Link to post Share on other sites
speedracer5 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 If we're going with specifically American-born and not persons who achieved stardom in American films... In no specific order, except for Lucy being #1 1) Lucille Ball 2) Bette Davis 3) Rita Hayworth 4) Jean Arthur 5) Katharine Hepburn 6) Barbara Stanwyck 7) Ginger Rogers 8 ) Marilyn Monroe 9) Ann Sheridan 10) Ann Blyth 11) Dorothy McGuire 12) Sandra Dee 13) Lauren Bacall 14) Judy Garland 15) Gene Tierney --- 1) Humphrey Bogart 2) Montgomery Clift 3) William Holden 4) Edmond O'Brien 5) Burt Lancaster 6) Tony Curtis 7) Gene Kelly 8 ) Fred Astaire 9) Orson Welles 10) Joseph Cotten 11) Dick Powell 12) Dana Andrews 13) Vincent Price 14) Robert Mitchum 15) Joel McCrea Link to post Share on other sites
Sepiatone Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 17 hours ago, Yoda1978 said: I kept wanting to add Maureen O Hara but am certain she was born in Ire Land I thought of that too, but as she made most of her movies in America, and/or for American film studios, I think most consider her an American actress. And Ireland is one word. Sepiatone Link to post Share on other sites
jamesjazzguitar Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 14 hours ago, Bogie56 said: I had to disqualify Olivia de Havilland and Claudette Colbert Yea, Olivia de Havilland is one of the best Asian actresses. PS: Colbert moved to America at the age of 3. I fail to see how that makes her a French actress, but like I posted below each of us have our own criteria. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
chaya bat woof woof Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Thank you for the reminder about George Sanders. Others I would add: Lionel Barrymore (don't know if anyone listed him) Sam Levine Karl Malden Lionel Barrymore Matt Damon J. Phoenix (and his late brother, River) Buster Keaton Is Dan Duryea on anyone's list? Ed Begley Sr. Lee J. Cobb Jason Robards Jr. James Coburn Steve McQueen Lillian Gish and Mary Pickford (don't know if American) Jane Wyman Edward G. Robinson and James Cagney Robert Montgomery Is Rosalind Russell British? (I think Errol Flynn was New Zealand) Personally, there could be a list just for those born in NYC. Link to post Share on other sites
chaya bat woof woof Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Why didn't anyone include Denzel Washington? Also, Norman Lloyd Jeff Bridges (his Dad, Lloyd Nolan, was in a great Noir Film shown on TCM) Link to post Share on other sites
chaya bat woof woof Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Was wrong about Flynn - Australia is correct. Link to post Share on other sites
Sepiatone Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 9 minutes ago, chaya bat woof woof said: Why didn't anyone include Denzel Washington? Also, Norman Lloyd Jeff Bridges (his Dad, Lloyd Nolan, was in a great Noir Film shown on TCM) Well,you DID only allow room for 15. And while many here(me too) like those three well enough, they probably didn't come to mind quick enough. And as for Denzel and Bridges, when we here( a "classic" movie board) get into "classic" mode,we tend to omit newer, younger actors. Sepiatone Link to post Share on other sites
jamesjazzguitar Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, Sepiatone said: I thought of that too, but as she made most of her movies in America, and/or for American film studios, I think most consider her an American actress. And Ireland is one word. Sepiatone The question of the criteria of what is an Name-the-Country ACTOR was discussed in another thread related to George Sanders, and the sisters, DeHavilland \ Fontaine and if they are "British" actors. E.g. is the ONLY criteria that one was \ is an American citizen? (and even this can be debated because what if the actor only became an American citizen late in their career or after retiring?). OR is the criteria that one lived in America and made 90% or more of their films in America, for American studios? (Flynn and Grant are American ACTORS then) OR is the criteria based on the citizenship of their parents (Olivia and Joan being British but NOT Sanders, since his parents were mostly German) Or is the criteria based on the citizenship of the actor at birth (Olivia and Joan British but NOT Sanders who was born in Russia). OR etc... I'm using the more wide-open criteria of American ACTOR, stressing the ACTOR part, as being where the actor lived, and if they made 90% of films in America for American studios. But I can understand why some would reject this and stress the AMERICAN part (or BRITISH); I.e. the citizenship or heritage aspect. Link to post Share on other sites
TopBilled Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 6 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said: The question of the criteria of what is an Name-the-Country ACTOR was discussed in another thread related to George Sanders, and the sisters, DeHavilland \ Fontaine and if they are "British" actors. E.g. is the ONLY criteria that one was \ is an American citizen? (and even this can be debated because what if the actor only became an American citizen late in their career or after retiring?). OR is the criteria that one lived in America and made 90% or more of their films in America, for American studios? (Flynn and Grant are American ACTORS then) OR is the criteria based on the citizenship of their parents (Olivia and Joan being British but NOT Sanders, since his parents were mostly German) Or is the criteria based on the citizenship of the actor at birth (Olivia and Joan British but NOT Sanders who was born in Russia). OR etc... I'm using the more wide-open criteria of American ACTOR, stressing the ACTOR part, as being where the actor lived, and if they made 90% of films in America for American studios. But I can understand why some would reject this and stress the AMERICAN part (or BRITISH); I.e. the citizenship or heritage aspect. This discussion gets more interesting when we look at someone like Ida Lupino. She started in British films, but from 1934 on, she was in Hollywood where she remained. She became a U.S. citizen in the late 1940s. Two of her three husbands were American men, notably Howard Duff. Her daughter's an American. She never went back to make movies or TV shows in Britain. She basically became a full-fledged American. Link to post Share on other sites
jamesjazzguitar Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 11 minutes ago, TopBilled said: This discussion gets more interesting when we look at someone like Ida Lupino. She started in British films, but from 1934 on, she was in Hollywood where she remained. She became a U.S. citizen in the late 1940s. Two of her three husbands were American men, notably Howard Duff. Her daughter's an American. She never went back to make movies or TV shows in Britain. She basically became a full-fledged American. Ida Lupino is a great example of how 'this' (the criteria each of us uses to define \ place an actor), is interesting. She is a 'classic' example of why Wiki takes the safe route and calls actors like Lupino, De Havilland, and Fontaine 'British \ American' actors. (but if pushed to give a definitive reply I would say all 3 are 'American' since the vast majority of the films they made were American, they lived in America during most of their film career (ok, Olivia in France later in her career), and they all became American citizens (Olivia in 1941 and Joan in 1943). Of course like we discussed in that other thread neither of us are saying WE define this criteria. Hey that is what makes this interesting, people can agree to disagree. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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