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When protesters cry 'defund the police,' what does it mean?

Protesters are pushing to “defund the police" over the death of George Floyd and other black Americans killed by law enforcement. Their chant has become a rallying cry — and a stick for President Donald Trump to use on Democrats as he portrays them as soft on crime.

But what does “defund the police” mean? It’s not necessarily about gutting police department budgets. Still, some activists and lawmakers have also raised the possibility of completely disbanding police departments, clouding the more complicated message.

WHAT IS THE ‘DEFUND THE POLICE’ MOVEMENT?

Supporters say it isn’t about eliminating police departments or stripping agencies of all of their money. They say it is time for the country to address systemic problems in policing in America and spend more on what communities across the U.S. need, like housing and education.

State and local governments spent $115 billion on policing in 2017, according to data compiled by the Urban Institute.

“Why can’t we look at how it is that we reorganize our priorities, so people don’t have to be in the streets during a national pandemic?" Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza asked during an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Activists acknowledge this is a gradual process.

The group MPD150, which says it is “working towards a police-free Minneapolis,” argues that such action would be more about “strategically reallocating resources, funding, and responsibility away from police and toward community-based models of safety, support, and prevention.”

“The people who respond to crises in our community should be the people who are best-equipped to deal with those crises,” the group wrote on its website.

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Everybody who wants to defund the police should have their access to 911 calls canceled.  That means they get no police to respond to their calls or emergencies, then we will see how long this dumb idea lasts.

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One area of concern is getting insurance;   either the cost will go way up in areas that are 'defunded' or no insurance company will underwrite in said areas.

City leaders here in L.A.  faced similar issues when they wanted grocery stores that sold more fresh food (e.g. produce) to open in certain communities;    The corporations all said "hey,, City leaders,,,,   pay our insurance bill,,,  sure,,,we will open a store there!".

 

 

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Rather than spending millions of dollars buying military humvees and war machines for the police like they are patrolling Fallujah rather than Milwaukee or Minneapolis, we want to spend that money building alternatives to policing and peaceful outreach to communities of color.
 
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Those cities are not buying Humvees to patrol Fallujah so they won't be getting any of that money that doesn't exist. Thanks though for showing what this is all about, getting free money for protesting instead of working.

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what it has meant to American liberals since Vietnam....

ringing the dinner bell for street scum.

just what will finally satisfy American liberals?

us all laying slaughtered in our beds?

 

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gated communities and privately funded on-premises security personnel: there is a reason!

a reduction of fear / survival

liberal municipal oversight

enforcement of civilization

 

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18 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

Those cities are not buying Humvees to patrol Fallujah so they won't be getting any of that money that doesn't exist. Thanks though for showing what this is all about, getting free money for protesting instead of working.

You obviously aren’t paying attention.  With the push of the Trump administration, law enforcement in municipalities throughout the country have been militarizing with equipment designed for combat against foreign enemies.   This is what that post above was referring to, but I guess Fox News hasñ’ t covered it.
 

And if you do t believe this, look at what Trump has tried to do this past week, bringing our armed forces to police our cities.  This is not legal, which is why many retired generals have finally spoken out about Trump’s lawlessness.  But I guess in the name of suppressing people of color, you side with Trump and Fox that whatever it takes is ok.

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13 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:

what it has meant to American liberals since Vietnam....

ringing the dinner bell for street scum.

just what will finally satisfy American liberals?

us all laying slaughtered in our beds?

 

You must have bought the line to “Be Afraid!  Be Very Afraid!” of the hordes of Black and Brown Americans and FOREIGNERS whose only goal is to invade the homes of god-fearing white Christians and slaughtering you while you sleep!  Hahahaha!

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Arturo the democrats have been suppressing people for decades with promises that they never keep. Obama was in office for 8 years and accomplished nothing, Biden was right there along the way. Throwing free money never solves anything, and that's what this is about with the cities.

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21 minutes ago, MovieMadness said:

Arturo the democrats have been suppressing people for decades with promises that they never keep. Obama was in office for 8 years and accomplished nothing, Biden was right there along the way. Throwing free money never solves anything, and that's what this is about with the cities.

Part of that problem is that the Republicans block just about everything the democrats wish to do.

But in any event, you prefer a party that does not even try to mend the divide in your country.  You prefer a President who stokes division.  Face it, that's what you yourself are up to every day.

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48 minutes ago, MovieMadness said:

Arturo the democrats have been suppressing people for decades with promises that they never keep. Obama was in office for 8 years and accomplished nothing, Biden was right there along the way. Throwing free money never solves anything, and that's what this is about with the cities.

If you recall, Republican Mitch McConnell announcer that he was going to make Obama a 1-term failed president, and not pass ANYTHING that could be seen as a win for Obama.  He kept his word (Except about the 1- term),, but the losers were the American people

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48 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

Part of that problem is that the Republicans block just about everything the democrats wish to do.

But in any event, you prefer a party that does not even try to mend the divide in your country.  You prefer a President who stokes division.  Face it, that's what you yourself are up to every day.

I prefer no party but the Dem party is looking reactionary and extreme.   Such pandering to such a degree,   just saying anything to give the appearance they care,  WHEN,  they haven't shown they cared before  (well most LOCAL Dems did care and their policies reflected this but it wasn't enough for activist and never will be enough).

Police department budgets are LOCAL affairs and most major cities with significant black populations have been under the control of Dems for years,  if not decades.

Most of the CA \ Los Angeles Dem pols that are calling for this,  will back out (i.e. the final budget will look a lot different then what they are currently telling the media.

Note that in L.A.  BLM has been calling for such a budget for decades.   All the Dem pols got elected clearly saying they felt such proposals were extreme.     If they back-them 'as is' they will be out the next election.    

PS:  This has little to do with the Feds,  Trump or the office of the President.     Again,  LOCAL budgets are,,,, LOCAL!  

 

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When Obama was elected he had control of both the house and Senate with Democrat majorities. There is no excuse why he couldn't get any legislation passed that he wanted.  But for some reason he thought he was elected to be a golf pro, and got nothing done except putting away 8 years. Too bad Arturo, you can't blame Trump.

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2 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

When Obama was elected he had control of both the house and Senate with Democrat majorities. There is no excuse why he couldn't get any legislation passed that he wanted.  But for some reason he thought he was elected to be a golf pro, and got nothing done except putting away 8 years.

Obama concentrated on much needed Health Care reform and got it passed.  Trump concentrated on tax breaks for billionaires and ridding the country of consumer and environmental protections.

Conservative David Frum has conceded that Republicans have been utter failures.  They brought you the Iraq War.  They brought you the 2008 Financial Meltdown.  And now they have brought you Donald Trump.

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MovieMadness,

Are you kidding!!!! ????!!!!   You’ve been watching too much Fox “News”.  Donald Trump is the one playing golf most of the time while President.  
 

And Obama has one major achievement in his first 2 years, the ACÁ.  Unfortunately he expended much political capital, and lost control of Congress.  Now many of the people who didn’t want health care wish they had it during this pandemic.

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Police do need better training and departments need to weed out "bad apples" whom will cause problems making the whole look bad to the community.

New laws are being implemented in which  other officers MUST intervene if they see a fellow officer abusing a suspect.

Defunding may cause cutbacks, delays in responding. One  thing to expect...the increase of gun sales.

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I don't think defunding cities' police forces will solve anything. But the anger that prompts this idea needs to be addressed.  And misguided finger pointing will  not get anyone anywhere. It's NOT a "liberal" or "conservative" problem.  It's a PEOPLE problem.  The idea that liberals "encourage" the rioting and looting is ludicrous. As much so as the idea that conservatives "encourage" police officers judiciously killing African-Americans for no reason.  Bigots don't always adhere to "wing ideology".  It's partisan politicians , republican AND democrat that fuel the problems of this country.  And people like YOU, MM, who gleefully swallow any ideology that assuages your personal prejudices whole. 

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The Dem establishment doesn't support the defund-the-police policies.   Latest CNN article.

Local Dems are just pandering to ensure their cities don't get destroyed.   Even A.O.C.  was luke-warm on the idea.    

Top congressional Democrats are steering clear of the growing calls by activists to "defund the police," saying they sympathize with the intent behind the movement but are concerned that the rhetoric could undercut efforts at the federal level to overhaul policing practices nationwide.

"I think it can be used as a distraction -- and that's my concern," said Rep. Karen Bass, chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, and a lead sponsor of the Democrats' new bill to impose national policing standards. "Because what I said is what I believe is the real intent, which is to address the root causes of crime."
The sentiment was echoed by top Democrats on Monday after calls to cut funding for local law enforcement picked up steam at protests across the country sparked by the death of George Floyd after a police officer in Minneapolis knelt on his neck.
"Defunding police departments are not the answer," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, a Democrat of Maryland, told CNN on Monday. "We need police departments; we need to keep peace and order. This effort is about making sure that those who we give the authority to exercise that authority in a way that's positive and expected by the American people."
On a private caucus call Monday afternoon, senior House Democrats raised concerns, with House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn warning that talk about "defunding the police" could "hijack" efforts on police reform. Other Democrats, including Rhode Island Rep. David Cicilline and Bass, also spoke out about the phrase, according to a source on the call.
"There are a lot of slogans out there that aren't helpful. People can use that if they want to," Clyburn told CNN earlier in the day. But, he added, "they need to restructure," referring to police.
 
After Clyburn warned against it, New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who has previously spoken out in favor of slashing the NYPD budget, discussed the defunding issue, according to two sources on call.
She urged her colleagues to try to understand the debate and not to mock it, the sources said.
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I am heartened when I hear police depts are stocking up on military hardware and here is why....

look at mexico and ask yourselves just how did the drug cartels get such a foothold down there. they are as well-armed if not more so than the federalis. how did that happen?

simple. the cartels sensed weakness and exploited that ch in k.

and the same dam thing could happen up here if people doan wake up and stop swallowing the real Kool-Aid being hosed down their throats by liberal democrats and their sick America-hating street scum allies.

 

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3 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:

I am heartened when I hear police depts are stocking up on military hardware and here is why....

look at mexico and ask yourselves just how did the drug cartels get such a foothold down there. they are as well-armed if not more so than the federalis. how did that happen?

simple. the cartels sensed weakness and exploited that ch in k.

and the same dam thing could happen up here if people doan wake up and stop swallowing the real Kool-Aid being hosed down their throats by liberal democrats and their sick America-hating street scum allies.

 

Pining for good old Nazi Germany?  You should go live in North Korea.  Sounds like your kind of government.

Funny how the less government Republicans seem to yearn for an authoritarian dictatorship.

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