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"E very state and local government does it differently. Election experts say that’s part of what makes it so secure.
 
With different systems across the U.S., it would be extremely difficult for anyone to “hack” the presidential election in any widespread way.
 

Guardrails line the journey in the life of a mail-in ballot

With the integrity of vote-by-mail becoming a political issue and the coronavirus driving demand for it, there are steps to ensure validity.
 
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I wonder about the signature requirement.  My voter registration form was completed in 1991.  I use two different ways of signing my last name.

How do they keep someone from "losing" ballots that come from the "wrong" area or zip code?  The million dollar machines sounds good, but most places won't have one.  Then the counting for a general election where there are many, many races on the ballots will take considerable time.

Hopefully someone is addressing all the potential problems and proper safeguards will be established.  Of course voter suppression has proven how almost impossible that is.

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We all know the Trump play book regarding mail-in voting. If he loses the election he will claim fraud in an attempt to delegitimize any Democratic victory. He knows that if more Americans vote (and mail in voting is easier, especially with a virus in circulation) his chances of victory are lessened. If, on the other hand, he wins the election any complaints he has about mail in voting will disappear.

Notice how it will undoubtedly be R ump supporters who are most opposed to mail in voting, taking their cue from their Lord and Master.

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My advice to all Republican voters is not to trust the mail in vote.  And don't trust the ballot box either as it can be easily manipulated.  The only way to safeguard your sacred vote is NOT to vote at all.

This advice only applies to Republicans.

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Ironically, there are serious arguments being made that Republicans and Trump will benefit the most from mail-in voting.  One of his major support groups is elderly white people and they are most likely to use mail-in voting if offered the opportunity.

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Someone from California was telling me that after you cast your ballot, you can actually get online and see that it was counted. 

I think we all know that the GOP doesn't want vote by mail because it means many people who cannot make it to the polls on election day will fill out a ballot and mail it in. 

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But a Washington Post analysis of data collected by three vote-by-mail states with help from the nonprofit Electronic Registration Information Center (ERIC) found that officials identified just 372 possible cases of double voting or voting on behalf of deceased people out of about 14.6 million votes cast by mail in the 2016 and 2018 general elections, or 0.0025 percent.

 

The figure reflects cases referred to law enforcement agencies in five elections held in Colorado, Oregon and Washington, where all voters proactively receive ballots in the mail for every election.

Even a database maintained by the Heritage Foundation, which conservatives frequently cite as evidence that voter fraud is prevalent, lists only 1,285 cases out of hundreds of millions of votes cast.

The number of cases related to absentee ballots is even less — 204 in the past 20 years, compared with a quarter-billion votes cast by mail during that time, according to an April analysis of the Heritage data by Amber McReynolds, chief executive of the National Vote at Home Institute and a former Denver elections director, and Charles Stewart III, a political science professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

“That’s one six-millionth of one percent of all votes!” Edward Perez, global director of technology development for the OSET Institute, a nonprofit election technology organization, wrote in an email. “. . . On a 100-mile road, a six-millionth of a percent is less than half an inch.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/minuscule-number-of-potentially-fraudulent-ballots-in-states-with-universal-mail-voting-undercuts-trump-claims-about-election-risks/2020/06/08/1e78aa26-a5c5-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

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'There is no political advantage with absentee ballots,

Mr. President: Fmr. Sec. of of Homeland Security-

Kristen Welker is joined by Tom Ridge, Former Secretary of Homeland Security, to discuss the upcoming election, safe voting options, and President Trump's resistance to absentee ballots.

https://www.msnbc.com/craig-melvin/watch/-there-is-no-political-advantage-with-absentee-ballots-mr-president-fmr-sec-of-of-homeland-security-87410245546?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

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14 hours ago, mr6666 said:

'There is no political advantage with absentee ballots,

Mr. President: Fmr. Sec. of of Homeland Security-

Kristen Welker is joined by Tom Ridge, Former Secretary of Homeland Security, to discuss the upcoming election, safe voting options, and President Trump's resistance to absentee ballots.

https://www.msnbc.com/craig-melvin/watch/-there-is-no-political-advantage-with-absentee-ballots-mr-president-fmr-sec-of-of-homeland-security-87410245546?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

Not sure Tom Ridge is the authority on this, but have read that the GOP will have more of an advantage than the Dems.  If there is an advantage at all for either side.  Theory is that more elderly white voters will fear voting in person and therefore choose to vote by mail.

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Postal worker pleads guilty to election fraud after changing voters' party affiliations

A West Virginia postal worker is facing time behind bars after pleading guilty to attempted election fraud Thursday.

Thomas Cooper, a mail carrier in Pendleton County, W.V., pled guilty to one count of “Attempt to Defraud the Residents of West Virginia of a Fair Election” and one count of “Injury to the Mail” after he was found to have altered absentee ballot requests using a black pen. 

The Department of Justice said that Cooper changed five ballot requests from Democrat to Republican, but the adjustment was caught by the county clerk, who knew the voters personally and knew they were not Republicans. The clerk then alerted the West Virginia Secretary of State’s office, which began an investigation. 

The party was not changed on the other three ballots, but the Justice Department said the requests were still altered.

 

"[I did it] as a joke," Cooper said, according to a complaint. " don't even know them."

Cooper faces up to eight years in prison.......

 

"It should be remembered, however, that the mail he altered were requests for ballots, not ballots themselves."

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/506869-postal-worker-pleads-guilty-to-election-fraud-after-changing

 

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"Disturbing" memo reveals Trump's USPS chief has slowed delivery amid calls to expand voting by mail

“The people in power are trying to keep voter turnout low," MJ Hegar, newly-minted Senate candidate in Texas, says

 

https://www.salon.com/2020/07/15/disturbing-memo-reveals-trumps-usps-chief-has-slowed-delivery-amid-calls-to-expand-voting-by-mail/

Truly sad, but that is why Trump picked a political hack instead of a qualified person.  The good news as posted on another thread is that some in the GOP are trying to point out to Trump that limiting mail-in voting will actually hurt him and down ballot GOPers.

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Mail-In Voting, unless changed by the courts, will lead to the most CORRUPT ELECTION in our Nation’s History!
 
 
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FUN FACT: trump sends out emails to his supporters telling them to make sure they request their mail-in ballots to vote for him.
 
If mail-in voting is so "crooked," why is he telling his supporters to do it?
 
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Vote by mail has to happen - and it has nothing to do with safety.

Without it, the Democrats have no chance to win. It's their only hope. Democrats of the present party, and of the past administration, are terrified. Justice is coming for them unless they can somehow get back into power. This is why everything that is happening is happening. They are fighting for their lives - there's nothing they won't do, and nobody's lives but their own mean anything to them.

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13 hours ago, SadPanda said:

Vote by mail has to happen - and it has nothing to do with safety.

Without it, the Democrats have no chance to win. It's their only hope. Democrats of the present party, and of the past administration, are terrified. Justice is coming for them unless they can somehow get back into power. This is why everything that is happening is happening. They are fighting for their lives - there's nothing they won't do, and nobody's lives but their own mean anything to them.

This a sad case of projection.

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13 hours ago, SadPanda said:

Vote by mail has to happen - and it has nothing to do with safety.

Without it, the Democrats have no chance to win. It's their only hope. Democrats of the present party, and of the past administration, are terrified. Justice is coming for them unless they can somehow get back into power. This is why everything that is happening is happening. They are fighting for their lives - there's nothing they won't do, and nobody's lives but their own mean anything to them.

Ironically, all the studies indicate that Republican voters would be more likely to use mail-in voting than Democrats.  May very well be Trump and McConnell's only chance to keep their jobs.

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These graphs are interesting.  S.C. does require an excuse (think there are a couple of dozen excuses).  Most people would qualify for one-or more.  The registration people do not ask for documentation or explanation.  For instance, if you are "out of town for work", you can vote absentee.  I used to do it because I worked in another town, although I got off at 4:00 every day and was home by 4:30.  You can say you have a medical reason without specifying or documenting.

Didn't actually do mail-in though.  I went to the registrar's office and voted there by machine.  Never more than 2 or 3 people doing it.

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Critics charge the new postmaster general, who is a major donor to President Trump,
 
intends to make the Postal Service "more of a business than a service"
 
— which includes delaying mail delivery and eliminating overtime.
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Critics charge the new postmaster general, who is a major donor to President Trump,
 
intends to make the Postal Service "more of a business than a service"
 
— which includes delaying mail delivery and eliminating overtime.
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Postal service workers feel particularly unnerved by the new ESAS program and DeJoy’s appointment given the Trump administration’s announcement in 2018 that the president would like to restructure and privatize USPS.
 
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These changes could delay mail from getting to its final destination by at least one day, if not longer. While the USPS memo billed ESAS as an effort to “improve consistency in delivery time” to customers, reduce overtime, and increase efficiency, postal workers were alarmed and shocked by these new dictates, which appeared to directly undermine a core value of their work.

“These are changes aimed at changing the entire culture of USPS,” said Mark Dimondstein, the national president of the American Postal Workers Union. “The culture I grew up with, and of generations before me, is that you never leave mail behind. You serve the customer, you get mail to the customer. Prompt, reliable, and efficient.”.............

.......people will lose confidence in one of the most trusted federal agencies in the country, which, unlike its private competitors, delivers everywhere, including to unprofitable and rural areas. “Undermining and degrading the Postal Service helps frustrate the customer, which sets the stage to privatizing it,” he said. “The Trump administration is on record for raising prices, reducing service, and reducing workers’ rights and benefits. This [pilot] may be Trump’s first foray to try and actually accomplish some of those things.”

Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr., D-N.J., pointed to the implications delaying mail could have not just on letters and packages, but also for the upcoming election. “With states now reliant on voting by mail to continue elections during the pandemic, the destabilizing of the post office is a direct attack on American democracy itself,”  .............

 
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Mail delays could mean delays for mail-in ballots,
essential supplies, and life-saving medications.
 
Louis DeJoy is the Betsy DeVos of the Postal Service,
 
and he’s sabotaging his own agency when its work has never been more important.
 
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