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Veterans Day and NO Vietnam movies or any war after WW II


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Once again TCM programmers are showing their bias.  Below is the lineup for Veterans Day.  No movies about Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War, Iraq, Afghanistan or any other.  Not even about peacetime veterans or other military movies.

 

12:00pm - Screaming Eagles (1956)
2:00pm - The Dirty Dozen (1967)
5:00pm - The Best Years of Our Lives (1946)
8:00pm - Sergeant York (1941)
10:30pm - Where Eagles Dare (1968)
1:15am - From Here to Eternity (1953)
3:30am - The Story of G. I. Joe (1945)

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1 minute ago, ElCid said:

Once again TCM programmers are showing their bias.  Below is the lineup for Veterans Day.  No movies about Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War, Iraq, Afghanistan or any other.  Not even about peacetime veterans or other military movies.

 

12:00pm - Screaming Eagles (1956)
2:00pm - The Dirty Dozen (1967)
5:00pm - The Best Years of Our Lives (1946)
8:00pm - Sergeant York (1941)
10:30pm - Where Eagles Dare (1968)
1:15am - From Here to Eternity (1953)
3:30am - The Story of G. I. Joe (1945)

This is where TCM shows its "age." The Turner Library of films is apparently limited in terms of films that address wars after 1950.

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Just now, TopBilled said:

This is where TCM shows its "age." The Turner Library of films is apparently limited in terms of films that address wars after 1950.

They have showed movies for after WW II many, many times before.  Not sure if they "rented" them or came from their library.  I think there are post WW II films in their library.

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1 minute ago, ElCid said:

They have showed movies for after WW II many, many times before.  Not sure if they "rented" them or came from their library.  I think there are post WW II films in their library.

Yes, there are some...but not many, compared to what they have from the WWII era. We could even say they under-represent WWI.

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Best Years of Our Lives is about veterans coming home after the war, so that's a "peacetime" film.

I'm kinda surprised there are complaints about no films showed about the Gulf War, Afghanistan, Iraq war, etc. since that would imply you would show movies made in the 1990s up until now and I know how cranky people can get if there are films playing that have the audacity to be made after the 1970s. ;)

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3 hours ago, Lambear1982 said:

Best Years of Our Lives is about veterans coming home after the war, so that's a "peacetime" film.

I'm kinda surprised there are complaints about no films showed about the Gulf War, Afghanistan, Iraq war, etc. since that would imply you would show movies made in the 1990s up until now and I know how cranky people can get if there are films playing that have the audacity to be made after the 1970s. ;)

My inclusion of those is to be as encompassing as possible for all veterans.  While there are fewer movies from those periods,  unless I am mistaken TCM has shown movies made in the same time periods.

I do agree that many people do complain about newer movies being shown.

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Maybe this year they're going with The Good War theme. Every war after WWII is on a much smaller

scale and with less glorious results. I've seen all of them except for Where Eagles Dare so maybe I'll

watch that one if I'm in the mood.

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9 minutes ago, Vautrin said:

Maybe this year they're going with The Good War theme. Every war after WWII is on a much smaller

scale and with less glorious results. I've seen all of them except for Where Eagles Dare so maybe I'll

watch that one if I'm in the mood.

Where Eagles Dare is a good storming an impregnable fortress film. It's aired multiple times on TCM within the last 12 months, so it's worth a watch.

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6 hours ago, Lambear1982 said:

Where Eagles Dare is a good storming an impregnable fortress film. It's aired multiple times on TCM within the last 12 months, so it's worth a watch.

I know it seems to be shown fairly often, but I've never hit the schedule right. I'm going to try to catch

it this time around.

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If TCM had sheduled M*A*S*H, there would be those complaining that it was the only movie shown about the War in Korea.  Or if TCM scheduled Good Morning Viet Nam, there would be complaints it was "too new", "a comedy" or something or other. 

A channel dedicated to showing un cut, commercial free movies should be enough, why complain about what's offered?

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14 hours ago, Vautrin said:

Maybe this year they're going with The Good War theme. Every war after WWII is on a much smaller

scale and with less glorious results. I've seen all of them except for Where Eagles Dare so maybe I'll

watch that one if I'm in the mood.

As others noted, it's a good movie and worth watching.

7 minutes ago, TikiSoo said:

If TCM had sheduled M*A*S*H, there would be those complaining that it was the only movie shown about the War in Korea.  Or if TCM scheduled Good Morning Viet Nam, there would be complaints it was "too new", "a comedy" or something or other. 

A channel dedicated to showing un cut, commercial free movies should be enough, why complain about what's offered?

I doubt the first statements. 

As for the second one, viewers should be able to complain about what's shown or not shown.  How else would TCM learn what people like and don't like?   Why have a forum at all if people are supposed to just accept what is shown or nor shown without complaint or discussion.  There are hundreds (thousands?) of posts "complaining" about what TCM does or does not show.

Incidentally, TCM habitually does the same thing for Memorial Day.  Although they may throw in a few non-WW II movies.  They love to show John Wayne's political propaganda The Green Berets.

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On 11/1/2020 at 3:12 PM, Vautrin said:

Maybe this year they're going with The Good War theme. Every war after WWII is on a much smaller

scale and with less glorious results. I've seen all of them except for Where Eagles Dare so maybe I'll

watch that one if I'm in the mood.

Hey Vautrin! Ya know how with some movies ya gotta use the ol' "suspension of disbelief" thing in order to fully enjoy 'em?

(...well with THIS one, I'd suggest your "mood" include a whole lot of that before you sit down to watch it)

 

 

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Can you have "bias" against...particular wars?

As others have noted it's probably a matter of TCM not having as many movies in their library for our later wars.

They should be running "The Big Parade"

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3 hours ago, Vidor said:

Can you have "bias" against...particular wars?

As others have noted it's probably a matter of TCM not having as many movies in their library for our later wars.

They should be running "The Big Parade"

It is a bias for WW II and disregard for other wars.  In my opinion, the history of TCM doing this for many, many  years shows a bias against other wars.  But leave that up to the semanticists. 

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On 11/2/2020 at 7:28 AM, TikiSoo said:

If TCM had sheduled M*A*S*H, there would be those complaining that it was the only movie shown about the War in Korea.  Or if TCM scheduled Good Morning Viet Nam, there would be complaints it was "too new", "a comedy" or something or other. 

A channel dedicated to showing un cut, commercial free movies should be enough, why complain about what's offered?

I totally agree. Never over the years have I ever seen so much whining and complaining about why certain films are never shown or why certain films are almost always repeated on a holiday or day of remembrance, like Veterans Day.  You'd think the sky was falling, or better yet Trump beats Biden. (Going to be lots of disappointment in this country if that happens). I remember a line of dialogue from Star Trek Enterprise between Ensign Cutler and Dr. Phlox... CUTLER: "They don't have movies where you come from, do they?"
PHLOX: "We had something similar a few hundred years ago, but they lost their appeal when people discovered their real lives were more interesting. "

If you do not like what TCM has scheduled, then turn the darn channel off. Watch something else!!! Or go read a good book or something...

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1 hour ago, fxreyman said:

I totally agree. Never over the years have I ever seen so much whining and complaining about why certain films are never shown or why certain films are almost always repeated on a holiday or day of remembrance, like Veterans Day.  You'd think the sky was falling, or better yet Trump beats Biden. (Going to be lots of disappointment in this country if that happens). I remember a line of dialogue from Star Trek Enterprise between Ensign Cutler and Dr. Phlox... CUTLER: "They don't have movies where you come from, do they?"
PHLOX: "We had something similar a few hundred years ago, but they lost their appeal when people discovered their real lives were more interesting. "

If you do not like what TCM has scheduled, then turn the darn channel off. Watch something else!!! Or go read a good book or something...

Apparently you don't get it.  The whole purpose of TCM is to provide a service to all viewers.  The purpose of this forum is for members to comment on movies, TCM and whatever else.  They are entitled to give their opinions.  If they weren't, the moderators would remove them.

As for "whining and complaining," just look at the two threads on the changes made to the TCM schedules on the main site.

Don't know if you served in the military or not, but those of us served in Korea and Vietnam specifically have met with a lot of discrimination.  It has only been somewhat better for those who served in the Gulf War and later.

It is not about specific movies, but the total lack of any movies for Veterans who served after WW II.  Get it?

If you disagree, fine, just say that.  But, please do not say we shouldn't express our opinions. 

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17 hours ago, Dargo said:

Hey Vautrin! Ya know how with some movies ya gotta use the ol' "suspension of disbelief" thing in order to fully enjoy 'em?

(...well with THIS one, I'd suggest your "mood" include a whole lot of that before you sit down to watch it)

 

 

Only some movies? :) I think movie fans are used to the unbelievability of many movies and just take it

as part of the package, though it's still fun to point out some of the more unrealistic parts. Maybe another

reason I've never caught this film is the two and a half hour running time, but I'm in good shape for the Veterans'

Day showing. Richard Burton and Clint Eastwood are a bit of an unusual paring. Burton talked to empty chairs

when he was drunk, Clint when he was sober.

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As far as TCM, they seem to have had some very recent films on recently (although recent is a nebulous term).  There are so many films about Viet Nam (even one with young  Michael Douglas trying to avoid the draft).  Coming Home is old also.

One film I don't see is Mr. Roberts.  My Dad service on a destroyer escort in WWII (and his shop was almost lost to a kamikaze pilot).

The Deerhunter (sp?) and Apocalypse Now are classics, but they (TCM) must not have access to them.

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