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Republicans won 2020 Election, except for Trump


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Now that I have your attention.  While I am pleased with Joe Biden's victory, we need to remind ourselves that it is NOT a victory for Democrats.  Let's don't make more out of it than it is nor expect more than we should.

After Jan. 5, there will be 51 Republican senators in the US Senate and the House will have more Republicans than before the election.  The states are even more under the control of the Republicans than they were before the election.

This was primarily an election about Donald J. Trump and America fired him.  But they voted for Republicans in many down ballot races even in the states he lost.

https://ballotpedia.org/Partisan_composition_of_state_legislatures  Eighty-six of 99 state legislative chambers across 44 states held general elections on November 3, 2020. As of 3:00 p.m. ET on November 9, partisan control flipped in two chambers—Republicans gained majorities in the New Hampshire House of Representatives and the New Hampshire State Senate.

Majorities in two chambers remained undecided: the Alaska House of Representatives and the Arizona House of Representatives.

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Re: Biden's victory is NOT a victory for Democrats

It could be if they compromise and think how people will gauge what they have accomplished (or not) during the next 2 years.  This nearly equal balance of power will require both parties to work together or it can be the same ole party bickering that leads with little being done.

Stop with the AOC Sanders style socialism that many finds unpalatable.

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1 hour ago, hamradio said:

Re: Biden's victory is NOT a victory for Democrats

It could be if they compromise and think how people will gauge what they have accomplished (or not) during the next 2 years.  This nearly equal balance of power will require both parties to work together or it can be the same ole party bickering that leads with little being done.

Stop with the AOC Sanders style socialism that many finds unpalatable.

I believe Highway is a big supporter of Sanders (don't know how he feels about A.O.C.)and therefor supports that wing of the Dem's party and their brand of socialism.   

Related to the parties working together:   The bottom line there is that,   internally,  both the Dem and GOP parties need to be able to work together.    E.g.  Dem progressive \ self declared socialist working with the rest of the Dems in Congress and far-right \ Trump loving \ GOPers working with moderate wing of the GOP in Congress  (and yes  Dems there are some). 

First the Dems have to be able to pass something in the House,  where all they need is 50% of the votes and where they have a majority.    If the mainstream Dems in the House can't get the progressive \ self declared socialist to vote for moderate legislation they will need moderate GOP House member to vote with them,  and there might not be enough of them.     Thus gridlock but not because the GOP is being stubborn and unwilling to compromise but instead the progressive \ self declared socialist not voting as the Dem House Speaker would like them too.

I'm assuming it will be easier for the GOP to get their members in Congress to vote as a block,   then it will be for the Dems.     E.g. A.O.C. has already been on CNN saying Biden and the moderates owe her wing of the Dem party for voting for Biden and making him President.     To me that doesn't sound like she is willing to compromise with the mainstream wing in her party. 

  

   

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I'd like to know what Ham and NipkowDisc think of the reporting that Trump is determined to undermine any attempt by Biden to unify the nation?   It is in Trump's interest to keep the Republicans and the Democrats bitterly at each other's throats but not necessarily in the interest of the nation.  How do Trump supporters see this going forward?

I wouldn't expect them to respond but I suspect MovieMadness and Jake are all for keeping the fight going.

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5 hours ago, HIGHWAY said:

 

Yes, the lovely young, smart and articulate Miss Kasparian made some good points here HIGHWAY, especially her take on how Democrats are almost always inept in being able to cast off the mis-applied mantle of being "socialists" given them by their Republican opposition. However, when she attempted to say that Obama's much more overwhelming election victories (than Biden's) were primarily because he (Obama) was able to bring the "Bread & Butter" issues forefront to the electorate, she seems to have convienently forgotten that Obama was able to run against the state of the dire economy at the time (aka: The Great Recession") and by consequence the poltical party and its candidate which would be blamed for it. Something of which Biden could not.

(...and I hope you know, presidents have historically been given MUCH more blame and/or credit for how the ecomomy is doing during their tenure in office than they actually deserve and/or for which they were truly responsible...yep, and especially so the fat boy who's fat butt will soon hopefully be leaving the office, and who from day one attempted to take undue credit for the bull market's performance while his fat butt was in the Oval Office, AND which would primarily BE the VERY reason that the fat boy would receive 70 million votes as many if not MOST of those who voted for him would come to believe this fallacy of which he would promote at every damn opportunity)

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11 hours ago, Dargo said:

Yes, the lovely young, smart and articulate Miss Kasparian made some good points here HIGHWAY, especially her take on how Democrats are almost always inept in being able to cast off the mis-applied mantle of being "socialists" given them by their Republican opposition. However, when she attempted to say that Obama's much more overwhelming election victories (than Biden's) were primarily because he (Obama) was able to bring the "Bread & Butter" issues forefront to the electorate, she seems to have convienently forgotten that Obama was able to run against the state of the dire economy at the time (aka: The Great Recession") and by consequence the poltical party and its candidate which would be blamed for it. Something of which Biden could not.

(...and I hope you know, presidents have historically been given MUCH more blame and/or credit for how the ecomomy is doing during their tenure in office than they actually deserve and/or for which they were truly responsible...yep, and especially so the fat boy who's fat butt will soon hopefully be leaving the office, and who from day one attempted to take undue credit for the bull market's performance while his fat butt was in the Oval Office, AND which would primarily BE the VERY reason that the fat boy would receive 70 million votes as many if not MOST of those who voted for him would come to believe this fallacy of which he would promote at every damn opportunity)

First, I have never been able to figure where Highway stands on politics.  However, I seldom open any of the videos he posts since I have no idea what they are about.

Regardless of that, a major reason why Obama won was because of the terrible economy of George W. Bush and Republicans failure to deal with it.  While presidents seldom are actually responsible for the economy, they can do things to make it appear that they care and that they are taking actions.  Bush and the GOPers did neither of these.  Of course, Obama was also not running against an incumbent.  Then add in Obama's success in getting people to vote who had previously either sat out elections or voted Republican.

One point that Trump and many Republican leaning voters have never learned is that Wall St. and the stock markets are NOT the economy - far from it (as Dargo points out.)

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14 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

I'd like to know what Ham and NipkowDisc think of the reporting that Trump is determined to undermine any attempt by Biden to unify the nation?   It is in Trump's interest to keep the Republicans and the Democrats bitterly at each other's throats but not necessarily in the interest of the nation.  How do Trump supporters see this going forward?

I wouldn't expect them to respond but I suspect MovieMadness and Jake are all for keeping the fight going.

Aren't you all for keeping the fight going?     E.g.  labeling the vast majority of those that voted for Trump racist,  deplorables, dummies,  etc...  (i.e. demonizing the other side).

Wanting the Dems to have investigation after investigation going after members of the Trump admin?    (I want states like NY to do that but NOT Congress,  or the FBI).

I haven't seen you change  your very negative stance towards all-things-GOP since Trump was defeated.   (and that stance was 100% valid,  and similar to mine before Trump was defeated).

Hey,  this is a chat site and we all tend to play hardball at such a site.     Thus what I'm mostly referring to is personal relationships with actual Americans that are members of the GOP (e.g.  many of my family members).       (and not the two parties getting along in DC,   but I wish for that as well).

Of course if your post was mostly about getting along with the two most out-there GOPers at this forum,,,,,  well,   I don't think that will ever happen,,,, no matter how much we try.     But I'm going to try my best to get along with all former Trump supporters\voters  I know with the hope that are willing to bury the hatchet as well.    (e.g. calling them "former" as in-the-past,   instead of each time I see them saying "I still can't believe you every supported that moron with zero character"  (which is what my more liberal brother is now doing,  24 \ 7).

 

 

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3 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Aren't you all for keeping the fight going?     E.g.  labeling the vast majority of those that voted for Trump racist,  deplorables, dummies,  etc...  (i.e. demonizing the other side).

Wanting the Dems to have investigation after investigation going after members of the Trump admin?    (I want states like NY to do that but NOT Congress,  or the FBI).

I haven't seen you change  your very negative stance towards all-things-GOP since Trump was defeated.   (and that stance was 100% valid,  and similar to mine before Trump was defeated).

Hey,  this is a chat site and we all tend to play hardball at such a site.     Thus what I'm mostly referring to is personal relationships with actual Americans that are members of the GOP (e.g.  many of my family members).       (and not the two parties getting along in DC,   but I wish for that as well).

Of course if your post was mostly about getting along with the two most out-there GOPers at this forum,,,,,  well,   I don't think that will ever happen,,,, no matter how much we try.     But I'm going to try my best to get along with all former Trump supporters\voters  I know with the hope that are willing to bury the hatchet as well.    (e.g. calling them "former" as in-the-past,   instead of each time I see them saying "I still can't believe you every supported that moron with zero character"  (which is what my more liberal brother is now doing,  24 \ 7).

 

 

Agree.  We got rid of Trump, so let's move on.  Time to stop hating on everyone who ever voted for Trump and trying to tar all of them with the same brush.

Of course, there will be issues to come between Dem leaning and GOP leaning people and we can discuss those.

Right now, the biggest threat to America is what Trump will do over the next 70 days.  It is especially frightening what he is doing at DOD and in the intelligence community.

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What's amusing(so far) is the OP's security in predicting January's Georgia run-off election.

Then (thankfully) Dargo mentioning the "mis-applied mantle" of socialists given many democrats by  republican political detractors.   All misused and useless labels meant to fire up their base.  Terms like "Deep states" and all the various "radicals" and "extremists"  oh, and don't forget those vampires running the democrats that are hiding in "the dark shadows".  :D   Look....

I sincerely doubt there's anyone on these boards that possess the talents and gifts of either THERESA CAPUTO or SYLVIA BROWN to be able to predict what's going to happen in the Biden administration's tenure in the WH.  If so, they'd be able to successfully pick Lotto numbers and we'd never hear from them, or would have never heard from them. :) 

That Trump's biggest success in office was to pin colorful sounding labels on his opponents and detractors and without any solid basis for them is sad comfort to those left behind who missed the boat because they were too busy actually thinking.  Trump's anly true legacy is his record of treating the presidency like "open mic" night at the Comedy Store.

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1 minute ago, ElCid said:

Agree.  We got rid of Trump, so let's move on.  Time to stop hating on everyone who ever voted for Trump and trying to tar all of them with the same brush.

Of course, there will be issues to come between Dem leaning and GOP leaning people and we can discuss those.

Right now, the biggest threat to America is what Trump will do over the next 70 days.  It is especially frightening what he is doing at DOD and in the intelligence community.

I suspected we are going to called secret Trump enablers because we don't hate enough.  (ha ha).

 

 

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1 minute ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Aren't you all for keeping the fight going?     E.g.  labeling the vast majority of those that voted for Trump racist,  deplorables, dummies,  etc...  (i.e. demonizing the other side).

Wanting the Dems to have investigation after investigation going after members of the Trump admin?    (I want states like NY to do that but NOT Congress,  or the FBI).

I haven't seen you change  your very negative stance towards all-things-GOP since Trump was defeated.   (and that stance was 100% valid,  and similar to mine before Trump was defeated).

Hey,  this is a chat site and we all tend to play hardball at such a site.     Thus what I'm mostly referring to is personal relationships with actual Americans that are members of the GOP (e.g.  many of my family members).       (and not the two parties getting along in DC,   but I wish for that as well).

Of course if your post was mostly about getting along with the two most out-there GOPers at this forum,,,,,  well,   I don't think that will ever happen,,,, no matter how much we try.     But I'm going to try my best to get along with all former Trump supporters\voters  I know with the hope that are willing to bury the hatchet as well.    (e.g. calling them "former" as in-the-past,   instead of each time I see them saying "I still can't believe you every supported that moron with zero character"  (which is what my more liberal brother is now doing,  24 \ 7).

 

 

My fight as you call it has never particularly been against the GOP but against that evil son of a gun, Trump.  If I had my druthers I would prefer a government other than the GOP but let's face it we have all lived through GOP Presidents before and have survived.  Donald Trump is just another matter.

Oh, and BTW Trump appears to be the GOP now.  There is no more Republican Party as we know it at the moment.

I agree with you about moving forward hence my question to disappointed Trump supporters to see if they were going to give Biden a chance as opposed to some that obviously are not.

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1 minute ago, Sepiatone said:

What's amusing(so far) is the OP's security in predicting January's Georgia run-off election.

Then (thankfully) Dargo mentioning the "mis-applied mantle" of socialists given many democrats by  republican political detractors.   All misused and useless labels meant to fire up their base.  Terms like "Deep states" and all the various "radicals" and "extremists"  oh, and don't forget those vampires running the democrats that are hiding in "the dark shadows".  :D   Look....

I sincerely doubt there's anyone on these boards that possess the talents and gifts of either THERESA CAPUTO or SYLVIA BROWN to be able to predict what's going to happen in the Biden administration's tenure in the WH.  If so, they'd be able to successfully pick Lotto numbers and we'd never hear from them, or would have never heard from them. :) 

That Trump's biggest success in office was to pin colorful sounding labels on his opponents and detractors and without any solid basis for them is sad comfort to those left behind who missed the boat because they were too busy actually thinking.  Trump's anly true legacy is his record of treating the presidency like "open mic" night at the Comedy Store.

Sepiatone

As I said, I hope I am wrong, but I just don't see the Dems winning one, much less both senate seats in GA.  I have lived right next door to GA for 50 years.

Always amazed me how well the Republicans have done at creating "positive' labels for themselves and "negative" ones for Dems.  Probably the greatest was to change anti-abortion to Pro-Life.  But there have been many other instances.

Incidentally I saw a couple of ads for Ossoff and Warnock this morning on local TV so they are working it.

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5 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

My fight as you call it has never particularly been against the GOP but against that evil son of a gun, Trump.  If I had my druthers I would prefer a government other than the GOP but let's face it we have all lived through GOP Presidents before and have survived.  Donald Trump is just another matter.

Oh, and BTW Trump appears to be the GOP now.  There is no more Republican Party as we know it at the moment.

I agree with you about moving forward hence my question to disappointed Trump supporters to see if they were going to give Biden a chance as opposed to some that obviously are not.

Your many posts would say differently.

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The GOP that I used to know would not have been so cruel to children of people seeking asylum, would not have fanned the flames of racial divide, would not have alienated their Allies and a host of other things that Trumpism has really began,  Let's get that **** out of the White House and move on.

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2 minutes ago, ElCid said:

Your many posts would say differently.

You didn't read my post very well.  I said that Trump IS the GOP nowadays.  That is what I have been against.

It's time to get off my back, pal.

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7 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

You didn't read my post very well.  I said that Trump IS the GOP nowadays.  That is what I have been against.

It's time to get off my back, pal.

Stop posting the things you do. 🙂 I am NOT on your back, just exercising my democratic right to disagree.  Also, I was referring to your many posts over last few years, but especially over the last few months.

So, your saying "Trump IS the GOP" means there is no hope for compromise and that ALL Republicans are Trump supporters and will follow his lead.

Trump does have a lot of influence for now and will continue to depending upon how involved he becomes.  That is one fear for many Republican elected officials who might be more accommodating to moderate positions.  But there are Republicans who will not toe the Trump line and hopefully will work with Dems.

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14 minutes ago, ElCid said:

Stop posting the things you do. 🙂 I am NOT on your back, just exercising my democratic right to disagree.  Also, I was referring to your many posts over last few years, but especially over the last few months.

So, your saying "Trump IS the GOP" means there is no hope for compromise and that ALL Republicans are Trump supporters and will follow his lead.

Trump does have a lot of influence for now and will continue to depending upon how involved he becomes.  That is one fear for many Republican elected officials who might be more accommodating to moderate positions.  But there are Republicans who will not toe the Trump line and hopefully will work with Dems.

I think even you would acknowledge that other than a very few Trump has been the elected GOP for some time now.  They all appear to live in fear of upsetting him.  That appears to be what people are still reporting.

I don't have a crystal ball.  I don't know whether the party will come to its senses  like some Republicans are hoping.

But 72 million votes for him does not appear to be the overwhelming repudiation of Trumpism that most people in America were hoping for.

Time will tell.  Meanwhile I will go on disliking Trump and what he is standing for.

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8 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

I think even you would acknowledge that other than a very few Trump has been the elected GOP for some time now.  They all appear to live in fear of upsetting him.  That appears to be what people are still reporting.

I don't have a crystal ball.  I don't know whether the party will come to its senses  like some Republicans are hoping.

But 72 million votes for him does not appear to be the overwhelming repudiation of Trumpism that most people in America were hoping for.

Time will tell.  Meanwhile I will go on disliking Trump and what he is standing for.

I agree with that.

The point of this thread is that Biden's victory is not a repudiation of the Republican Party either.

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59 minutes ago, ElCid said:

I agree with that.

The point of this thread is that Biden's victory is not a repudiation of the Republican Party either.

Yes, down ballot Republicans clearly got more support than the President did.  I can see why staunch Republicans did that.  And they were not voting to enable Trump by doing so.  Just showing support for their own party.

You might even conclude that this is a soft message to Republican politicians NOT to enable Donald Trump any longer.

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Anyone else find it ironic that, while some Republicans helped Biden beat Trump by voting for him at the top of the ticket while going GOP the rest of the way, it looks like Trump is still going to dominate and send shivers of fear through the party from outside the White House. At least as long as he has a loyal base.

An old boss of mine had a favourite expression about people he didn't like: "He's like s*** in a blanket. You can't get rid of it."

Well guess what part of that expression now applies to Donald Trump.

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