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Donald Trump will go down in history as a Mass Murderer


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I have to say, and as much as you folks KNOW that I despise and detest Donald J. Trump and all that he stands for, this thought of his political tactics of appealing to the baser instincts of his following to any degree to which Hitler used these tactics in his climb to power and its subsequent result being the PURPOSEFUL death of millions during the Holocaust, and then using this example to equate it to Trump's inept and inadequate measures to reduce the number of deaths this pandemic has so far resulted in, I find to be quite a stretch in logic.

(...and lets also remember here the idea that perhaps as many of Trump's following have died from this disease during this time as have those who figured out a long time ago that he was nothing but an empty-suited  demagogue inadequate to the job and the position in which he found himself holding) 

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Due to Trump's petulant, delusional, democracy-smashing refusal to accept the election results, his Administration is refusing share details with President-elect Biden's team about their vaccination distribution plan .
 
1/ A short THREAD on why that's going to get people killed......
 
.......3/ Trump and his team have screwed up every logistical element of COVID response so far. 80% of nurses say they don't have adequate PPE. Many have to wait in 3 hour lines for a test. Why would Trump's vaccine plan be magically different?
 
 
4/ Two warning signs. First, in our call yesterday, Trump's team told us states were in charge.
But the feds have already contracted with some chain pharmacies to distribute vaccines. This confusion of responsibility is exactly how we got the PPE shortage.
 
5/ Second, Trump's team is in denial about how expensive this vaccination plan will be. On the call, they told us states won't need any more money.
That's just false. In fact, states have told Congress they need $8.4 BILLION to run this complicated system........
 
6/ Implementing Trump's plan "as is" would take 2 months of rigorous cooperation between the Trump and Biden teams.
But almost certainly, Biden is going to need time to make changes to assure Trump's vaccination plan works. Again, this can't happen absent a transition process.........
 
 
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5 hours ago, Dargo said:

I have to say, and as much as you folks KNOW that I despise and detest Donald J. Trump and all that he stands for, this thought of his political tactics of appealing to the baser instincts of his following to any degree to which Hitler used these tactics in his climb to power and its subsequent result being the PURPOSEFUL death of millions during the Holocaust, and then using this example to equate it to Trump's inept and inadequate measures to reduce the number of deaths this pandemic has so far resulted in, I find to be quite a stretch in logic.

(...and lets also remember here the idea that perhaps as many of Trump's following have died from this disease during this time as have those who figured out a long time ago that he was nothing but an empty-suited  demagogue inadequate to the job and the position in which he found himself holding) 

There are all sorts of mass murderers.  Adolf Hitler doesn't have to be the yardstick every time.  In Trump's case, Carl Bernstein called it "Negligent Homicide."  What he is doing right now by blocking the transition from one team of health officials to another for his own political purposes falls into that category as well.  The long and short is he doesn't give a damn how many people die of this disease.  99.9% are cured according to him.  We've already rounded the bend so many times it makes me dizzy!

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4 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

There are all sorts of mass murderers.  Adolf Hitler doesn't have to be the yardstick every time.  In Trump's case, Carl Bernstein called it "Negligent Homicide."  What he is doing right now by blocking the transition from one team of health officials to another for his own political purposes falls into that category as well.  The long and short is he doesn't give a damn how many people die of this disease.  99.9% are cured according to him.  We've already rounded the bend so many times it makes me dizzy!

Now this thought I can go along with, Bogie.

(...or to place THIS thought into a historical context much more fitting than the Hitler analogy, one could rightly say "Trump fiddled while he let America burn")

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Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust.  He put in place the people, programs and facilities that would do it.  There were hundreds of thousands, if not millions, who supported his objectives.  But he implemented it all.

As for Trump, he is irresponsible in his behavior and actions and probably millions have become ill and probably tens of thousands have died because of it.   However, he was primarily pandering to what his base+ and the business and financial communities wanted - no masks, no restrictions. 

Even if he had gotten behind masks and other things, there would still  have been millions of people in US who would not have obeyed.  There would have been a couple of dozen states that would not have complied.  Just as they will not comply if Biden tries to do something.

In Trump's case it is negligence, whereas in Hitler's case it was intentional.  He intentionally from very early on targeted Jews and others for removal from Europe or eradication.   Trump is the most incompetent, corrupt and evil president the US has ever had.  No doubt about that.  But, he is not a mass murderer.

If Trump is a mass murderer, then every Republican governor, state legislature, county government, city government and school board across the nation is as well.

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11 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

Willful negligence that one knows is going to cause harm but may benefit you personally is a heinous act.  It is all right there in Bob Woodward's book in Donald Trump's own words.

"A heinous act."  Did anybody here say it wasn't?  No.  Just that it does not equate to the mass murder committed by Hitler.  It also does not qualify as "mass murder" or even "murder."

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6 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

There are all sorts of mass murderers.  Adolf Hitler doesn't have to be the yardstick every time.  In Trump's case, Carl Bernstein called it "Negligent Homicide."  What he is doing right now by blocking the transition from one team of health officials to another for his own political purposes falls into that category as well.  The long and short is he doesn't give a damn how many people die of this disease.  99.9% are cured according to him.  We've already rounded the bend so many times it makes me dizzy!

In case anyone missed this post.

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Ilhan Omar blames Trump's 'criminal neglect' for her father's death from coronavirus and calls for administration officials to be prosecuted for handling of pandemic

Ilhan Omar has claimed her father died from Covid-19 because of 'criminal neglect' by Donald Trump and his administration. The Representative for Minnesota, 38, lost her father Nur Omar Mohamed to the virus in June, aged 67. On Friday, the 'Squad' member blasted the government for their handling of the pandemic, saying they are responsible for the many deaths this year in the US.

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We need something akin to a Nuremberg  tribunals held after World War II. This time by the UN forces under international law to prosecute prominent members of the GOP  and other Fascist  leaders and all their propaganda wings on TV, Radio, Twitter, Facebook and, (TCM message boards), who planned, carried out,  spread all the BS, or otherwise participated in the disinformation and other crimes against humanity.

And if they weasel out of this there is always  codename Criss- Cross.

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27 minutes ago, cigarjoe said:

We need something akin to a Nuremberg  tribunals held after World War II. This time by the UN forces under international law to prosecute prominent members of the GOP  and other Fascist  leaders and all their propaganda wings on TV, Radio, Twitter, Facebook and, (TCM message boards), who planned, carried out,  spread all the BS, or otherwise participated in the disinformation and other crimes against humanity.

And if they weasel out of this there is always  codename Criss- Cross.

You have really gone off the deep end.  You want to replace what Trump and GOPers did with something far, far worse.

Get over it.

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1 hour ago, Bogie56 said:

Ilhan Omar blames Trump's 'criminal neglect' for her father's death from coronavirus and calls for administration officials to be prosecuted for handling of pandemic

Ilhan Omar has claimed her father died from Covid-19 because of 'criminal neglect' by Donald Trump and his administration. The Representative for Minnesota, 38, lost her father Nur Omar Mohamed to the virus in June, aged 67. On Friday, the 'Squad' member blasted the government for their handling of the pandemic, saying they are responsible for the many deaths this year in the US.

Dumb.  Trump, his administration and the GOPers are "guilty" of not doing what they should have when they should have - and still aren't.  But to call for them to be prosecuted is not going to help.  In fact, it plays into the hands of the GOPers, right-wing extremists and others.    Will result in more GOPers being elected in 2022 and 2024.  DUMB!

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I really hope many of the users at this forum are just joking and thus releasing their anger as part of their TDS therapy,   but now I'm not so sure.

If they aren't joking,  then a-hole Trump did a lot more permanent damage to this nation than I had believed.

 

 

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12/18/2020 14:30:20
TOTAL ESTIMATED U.S. COVID-19 DEATHS: 310,670

Trump Death Clock

186,402
Estimated U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Due To POTUS Inaction
In January 2020, the Trump administration was advised that immediate action was required to stop the spread of COVID-19. According to NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, “there was a lot of pushback” to this advice. President Trump declined to act until March 16th. Experts estimate that, had mitigation measures been implemented one week earlier, 60% of American COVID-19 deaths would have been avoided. (For further reading, click here).
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4 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

I really hope many of the users at this forum are just joking and thus releasing their anger as part of their TDS therapy,   but now I'm not so sure.

If they aren't joking,  then a-hole Trump did a lot more permanent damage to this nation than I had believed.

 

 

And Paybacks are a Beeeeaitch, lol

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1 hour ago, cigarjoe said:

And Paybacks are a Beeeeaitch, lol

For me the best payback was sending Trump to the dustbin of history where he will go down as the worst President in US history.

It would be nice to put some of the clowns and his co -conspirators (Barr, Miller, and McEnany especially),   in jail,   but that would mean having to see their mugs on T.V. and I really don't wish that.    (well OK,  maybe McEnany,,   but I have my own punishment in mind for that B).

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The Washington Post
The Post Most
 
 
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(Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)

The inside story of how Trump’s denial, mismanagement and magical thinking led to the pandemic’s dark winter

As coronavirus cases soar to new heights across the country, experts say a dysfunctional federal response led by a president perpetually in denial has spurred the spike.

By Yasmeen Abutaleb, Ashley Parker, Josh Dawsey and Philip Rucker   Read more »

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On 11/20/2020 at 7:27 PM, hamradio said:

Regarding covid-19 , what about international travel / trade which cause the virus to spread across the globe as fast it did.

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 That doesn't mean it had to spread over here if things had been shut down properly.

It also means that we should have had some National Direction and management if that was the case.

While all this was going on, the president --

that you voted for --

said the whole thing was a hoax and was orchestrated by the Democratic party so that he would lose the election.

Then before  Easter,

he advised his supporters--

like you--

to come out and open the country despite what the doctors were saying about Covid.

trump also advised supporters--

like you--

not to wear masks.

 Who knows how many people had to die because we had--

not just poor leadership--

but leadership that was going against what the doctors and research was telling us about covid-19.

You still support trump because you're defending him, and that's your freedom of speech.

But the facts will out.

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4 hours ago, Bogie56 said:
The Washington Post
The Post Most
 
 
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(Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)

The inside story of how Trump’s denial, mismanagement and magical thinking led to the pandemic’s dark winter

As coronavirus cases soar to new heights across the country, experts say a dysfunctional federal response led by a president perpetually in denial has spurred the spike.

By Yasmeen Abutaleb, Ashley Parker, Josh Dawsey and Philip Rucker   Read more »

Philip Rucker and Ashley Parker are two of the best reporters covering this trump White House debacle.

Many thanks for posting their coverage consistently on this website.

Without this kind of high-level journalism we, the people, would have no idea what was going on and no idea on how we should develop a political strategy and determined mindset to save our democracy and our lives.

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34 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

Philip Rucker and Ashley Parker are two of the best reporters covering this trump White House debacle.

Many thanks for posting their coverage consistently on this website.

Without this kind of high-level journalism we, the people, would have no idea what was going on and no idea on how we should develop a political strategy and determined mindset to save our democracy and our lives.

The pandemic response at least deserves the same level of scrutiny as Hillary using a private email server did.

 

12/20/2020 17:44:37
TOTAL ESTIMATED U.S. COVID-19 DEATHS: 315,990

Trump Death Clock

189,594
Estimated U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Due To POTUS Inaction
In January 2020, the Trump administration was advised that immediate action was required to stop the spread of COVID-19. According to NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, “there was a lot of pushback” to this advice. President Trump declined to act until March 16th. Experts estimate that, had mitigation measures been implemented one week earlier, 60% of American COVID-19 deaths would have been avoided. (For further reading, click here).

 

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