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49 minutes ago, ElCid said:

One senator or 50 senators, it was doomed to fail anyway.  It will only happen if they can get all Dems plus 9 GOPers to agree and that will require  reasonable bill.

I'm just guessing but I don't think they will get any Republican to come aboard with any voting rights bill whatsoever.  So, that will only leave the option of a filibuster carve out for voting rights if the democrats are serious about getting anything done on this issue.  

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5 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

I'm just guessing but I don't think they will get any Republican to come aboard with any voting rights bill whatsoever.  So, that will only leave the option of a filibuster carve out for voting rights if the democrats are serious about getting anything done on this issue.  

I don't see that happening.  Won't even get 50 Dem senators to voter for it if they could even find a way to get around the filibuster.

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6 hours ago, ElCid said:

I don't see that happening.  Won't even get 50 Dem senators to voter for it if they could even find a way to get around the filibuster.

You wait and see.  They will end up altering the filibuster rules for voting rights with Manchin's and Sinema's blessing once they have a voting rights bill they all agree on and see that the Republicans will not support it.  They either do that or say goodbye to government.

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6 hours ago, mr6666 said:

-_-

The Republicans cannot support any type of fair voting rights legislation simply because they no longer believe in a democratic republic.  They believe in government run by corporations, wealthy white males and the white women who kowtow to them.

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1 hour ago, ElCid said:

The Republicans cannot support any type of fair voting rights legislation simply because they no longer believe in a democratic republic.  They believe in government run by corporations, wealthy white males and the white women who kowtow to them.

Putin's Russian Kleptocracy model.

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On 8/25/2021 at 9:35 AM, ElCid said:

The Republicans cannot support any type of fair voting rights legislation simply because they no longer believe in a democratic republic.  They believe in government run by corporations, wealthy white males and the white women who kowtow to them.

 

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13 hours ago, mr6666 said:

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Saw a report on CNN this morning about this.  Is Sen. Sinema on board with it?

No Republicans will vote for this bill and Manchin and Sinema know that.  Under no dream would 10 Republicans vote for it.  So, they need to just eliminate the filibuster rule for this bill and do it with 51 to 50 votes and let the House pass it and then Biden sign it.  

While it only pertains to Federal elections, most states would not want to  have two different standards for voters so hopefully even the GOPer states would just go along with it for all elections.

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1 hour ago, mr6666 said:

 

What did they specifically find wrong with it.  Curious as so many other states have photo ID without any problems.

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55 minutes ago, ElCid said:

What did they specifically find wrong with it.  Curious as so many other states have photo ID without any problems.

".........They said the law intentionally discriminates against Black voters, violating their equal protections.

The law "was motivated at least in part by an unconstitutional intent to target African American voters," Superior Court Judges Michael O'Foghludha and Vince Rozier wrote in their 100-page majority opinion.

"Other, less restrictive voter ID laws would have sufficed to achieve the legitimate nonracial purposes of implementing the constitutional amendment requiring voter ID, deterring fraud, or enhancing voter confidence.".........

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/17/1038354159/n-c-judges-strike-down-a-voter-id-law-they-say-discriminates-against-black-voter?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social

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8 hours ago, mr6666 said:

 

Of course they are gerrymandered - they are in all 50 states.  That is why a national law is necessary to eliminate gerrymandering and to establish an objective system for redrawing districts from municipalities, school boards, counties and on up.

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14 minutes ago, ElCid said:

Welcome to Trump's America.

Isn't it  gerrymandering in both cases:   E.g. doing what Texas does by purposefully not creating districts based on race or ethnic group identification,  or doing what CA does all the time,   purposefully creating them based on those reason.

This is  the debate here in CA will districts created by computer modeling;  does the model need to be "trained" to recognize race \ ethnic group make-up?

 

 

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Just now, JamesJazGuitar said:

Isn't it  gerrymandering in both cases:   E.g. doing what Texas does by purposefully not creating districts based on race or ethnic group identification,  or doing what CA does all the time,   purposefully creating them based on those reason?

This is  the debate here in CA will districts created by computer modeling;  does the model need to be "trained" to recognize race \ ethnic group make-up?

 

 

All states gerrymander to some degree.  NY is doing it now to try and get more Dem Congressional seats in 2022.  However, the GOPer states are far worse and have been for a long, long time.

TX is creating districts purposefully to dilute the voting power of non-white and even female voters.

As for computer modeling, that seems to be the best, but even then the politicians get final say as to what real districts will be.   Certain criteria can be fed into the computer, such as race/ethnicity, income levels, geography, etc.  One tactic of the GOPers is to divide minority geographic entities into several parts and then attach each part to larger GOP dominated rural areas.  Think big cities divided into several sections and then each section attached to a broad, lightly populated but 80% GOP voting area.

The old theory used to be that metropolitan areas and their surrounding suburbs should be in same district because the majority of people had similar interests/concerns.

MI is "experimenting" with a "non-partisan" commission that will recommend new districts.  They are losing one representative in US House.  Apparently there is already controversy over the earliest proposed changes.

And this is all done at all levels, for the school boards, municipalities, counties, state houses and senates and US Congressional seats.

This is why we need a Federalstandard based on an un-biased objective system and totally outside the influence (if possible) of the state legislatures and local governments. 

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59 minutes ago, ElCid said:

Certain criteria can be fed into the computer, such as race/ethnicity, income levels, geography, etc. 

Of course criteria can be fed into a model:  the question was that should they be and if that answer is YES,  then of course the pols that control a  state are going to feed in other those that benefit them.

 

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10 minutes ago, JamesJazGuitar said:

Of course criteria can be fed into a model:  the question was that should they be and if that answer is YES,  then of course the pols that control a  state are going to feed in other those that benefit them.

 

Apparently I was not clear enough.  The "computer models" or independent commissions and so forth can come up with fairly good districts, but the elected politicians in the state legislatures or local governments will override the "recommendations" of the computer and/or independent commissions.

Current criteria among GOPers is (1), protect party incumbents; (2) protect the party; (3) increase party representation, (4) punish those who do not support Trump; (5) punish those who are not "conservative" enough.

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