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Liberal amnesia about last summer’s riots

President-elect Joe Biden got a text from his granddaughter about how police handled the US Capitol rioters, telling him, “Pop, this isn’t fair,” he said Thursday.

He then added: “No one can tell me that if it had been a group of Black Lives Matter protesting yesterday, they wouldn’t have been treated very, very differently than the mob of thugs that stormed the Capitol. We all know that’s true, and it is unacceptable.”

We’re not sure what country Biden lives in — or Kamala Harris, who echoed the remarks — but it isn’t the United States.

Across the country, BLM and Antifa were coddled. Portland allowed them to set up an autonomous zone in the middle of the city for months, and police and politicians did nothing.

In liberal cities, politicians told cops to back off and pushed for more lawbreakers to be released without bail or no charges.

The thugs who attacked the Capitol were met with officers fighting back at barricades and tear gas. Guns were drawn and, in one case, deadly force was used.

The rioters were able to get the run of the Capitol because cops were vastly outnumbered. Officials are already resigning or being fired because of that failure.

This was a horrible insurrection and should be condemned. But Mr. Biden, don’t hypocritically try to rewrite the story of last summer’s riots to suggest that liberals weren’t permissive or that there’s some sort of double standard or racism at work here.

We all saw what happened then, we all see what happened now.

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Joe Biden  said nothing about the riots last summer until they were all over and the looting was finished. So when Democrats riot it is for social justice, but when Republicans riot it is for anarchy. Never mind this was due to the stolen election.

 

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7 minutes ago, MovieMadness said:

Liberal amnesia about last summer’s riots

President-elect Joe Biden got a text from his granddaughter about how police handled the US Capitol rioters, telling him, “Pop, this isn’t fair,” he said Thursday.

He then added: “No one can tell me that if it had been a group of Black Lives Matter protesting yesterday, they wouldn’t have been treated very, very differently than the mob of thugs that stormed the Capitol. We all know that’s true, and it is unacceptable.”

We’re not sure what country Biden lives in — or Kamala Harris, who echoed the remarks — but it isn’t the United States.

Across the country, BLM and Antifa were coddled. Portland allowed them to set up an autonomous zone in the middle of the city for months, and police and politicians did nothing.

In liberal cities, politicians told cops to back off and pushed for more lawbreakers to be released without bail or no charges.

The thugs who attacked the Capitol were met with officers fighting back at barricades and tear gas. Guns were drawn and, in one case, deadly force was used.

The rioters were able to get the run of the Capitol because cops were vastly outnumbered. Officials are already resigning or being fired because of that failure.

This was a horrible insurrection and should be condemned. But Mr. Biden, don’t hypocritically try to rewrite the story of last summer’s riots to suggest that liberals weren’t permissive or that there’s some sort of double standard or racism at work here.

We all saw what happened then, we all see what happened now.

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Joe Biden  said nothing about the riots last summer until they were all over and the looting was finished. So when Democrats riot it is for social justice, but when Republicans riot it is for anarchy. Never mind this was due to the stolen election.

 

No steal.  Over 50 failed lawsuits.  Two failed electoral count objections.  The only steal attempt here was on  Wednesday when a group of thugs attempted to delay or overturn the confirmation of the electoral count.  Trump and Guiliani were calling senators in order to get them to further delay the count while they were sheltering from Trump's faithful.

This is not a just cause.  And looting and rioting is never the right path.

 

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3 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

Joe Biden  said nothing about the riots last summer until they were all over and the looting was finished. So when Democrats riot it is for social justice, but when Republicans riot it is for anarchy. Never mind this was due to the stolen election.

 

Well MM, I say just be glad that YOU aren't a member of a minority in this country and which could result in such feelings that you haven't been given a fair shake and thus be tempted to take the law into your own hands and riot.

(...oh wait...that's right...you ARE a member of a "minority" aren't ya...uh-huh, those idiots out there who STILL somehow freakin' believe and with little to no evidence presented within a court of law that this election was "stolen" from you, huh...sorry, never mind then)

LOL

 

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38 minutes ago, txfilmfan said:

No steal.  Over 50 failed lawsuits.  Two failed electoral count objections.  The only steal attempt here was on  Wednesday when a group of thugs attempted to delay or overturn the confirmation of the electoral count.  Trump and Guiliani were calling senators in order to get them to further delay the count while they were sheltering from Trump's faithful.

This is not a just cause.  And looting and rioting is never the right path.

 

I disagree with the way you're faming the validity of protesting:  from your perspective, instead of that of the protester. 

I would hope we could agree that the stealing of an election,  especially for the office of President,   would be one of the most important,  and "valid" political reasons to protest. 

These specific Trumpers are clueless fools for believing the lies of Trump,  Guiliani, etc...  but not for protesting if they believed said BS.

 (and of course looting,  violence, destruction of property is never the right path,  regardless of the cause).

 

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4 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

I disagree with the way you're faming the validity of protesting:  from your perspective, instead of that of the protester. 

I would hope we could agree that the stealing of an election,  especially for the office of President,   would be one of the most important,  and "valid" political reasons to protest. 

These specific Trumpers are clueless fools for believing the lies of Trump,  Guiliani, etc...  but not for protesting if they believed said BS.

 (and of course looting,  violence, destruction of property is never the right path,  regardless of the cause).

 

I think we're talking past each other.  We agree.  I have no issue with their protest/rally on the ellipse, even if what they're protesting has no validity in the truth.  It's their right to do so.

What is not a just cause is storming or overrunning the Capitol.

 

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1 hour ago, txfilmfan said:

No steal.  Over 50 failed lawsuits.  Two failed electoral count objections. 

I've posted dozens of instances of election fraud, yet you're conveniently ignoring all of it and using the Democrat judges to decide for you (now isn't that a convenient thing to do). This is the old standard playbook they have, and have used it very effectively to steal the elections within states in the past. Some of the dumb Republicans go along and eventually they will all lose their seats just like what happened in California.

1) Steal election

2) Pack Courts

3) pack the electorate

4) Remove other party from ballots

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1 hour ago, MovieMadness said:

Liberal amnesia about last summer’s riots

Joe Biden  said nothing about the riots last summer

 

And not one conservative mentioned how virtually every week there was a new story of an unarmed black person killed, shot or otherwise brutalized by law enforcement. What happened last summer was the culmination of decades of abuse. Over and over, week after week. Thanks to cell phones. People had had enough.   Looters just took advantage since they had nothing better to do.

The other day was all about fear. Fear of a changing future. Fear is probably the strongest emotion and fearful people will panic and do extreme things.

In November, America voted to progress into the future instead of harking back to a past that never existed. Conservatives will be brought into that future kicking and screaming is necessary. Until they realize there is nothing there to fear.

 

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2 minutes ago, MovieMadness said:

I've posted dozens of instances of election fraud, yet you're conveniently ignoring all of it and using the Democrat judges to decide for you (now isn't that a convenient thing to do). This is the old standard playbook they have, and have used it very effectively to steal the elections within states in the past. Some of the dumb Republicans go along and eventually they will all lose their seats just like what happened in California.

1) Steal election

2) Pack Courts

3) pack the electorate

4) Remove other party from ballots

Re: your fraud posts, I didn't ignore them.   I responded to a lot of them.  Most of the cases you posted were local elections (mayors, city councils - not the presidential election) where the fraud was caught before an election.

Some of the instances you reported were instances of registration or election fraud committed by Republicans.

Both parties try to take advantage while they're in power.  Didn't we just see a Republican president fill a Supreme Court seat just before the 2020 election, and when this happened last time with a Democrat president, Republicans said "let the voters decide." ?  Districts in Texas have been gerrymandered to the Republicans' advantage for the past 20 or 30 years, to the point where many local offices are filled by Republicans who run unopposed.  So it happens on both sides.

 

Look, we get it.  You're unhappy with the election results.  You can't comprehend how people don't like Trump.   But his campaign has filed some 60 different lawsuits, and not a single one was successful.  Many of these were filed in courts overseen by Republican-appointed judges.  All electoral college votes were legally certified and dispatched per the law.  The objections in Congress failed twice.

This was not a stolen election.  Trump lost.

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1 hour ago, txfilmfan said:

Re: your fraud posts, I didn't ignore them.   I responded to a lot of them.  Most of the cases you posted were local elections (mayors, city councils - not the presidential election) where the fraud was caught before an election.

Some of the instances you reported were instances of registration or election fraud committed by Republicans.

Both parties try to take advantage while they're in power.  Didn't we just see a Republican president fill a Supreme Court seat just before the 2020 election, and when this happened last time with a Democrat president, Republicans said "let the voters decide." ?  Districts in Texas have been gerrymandered to the Republicans' advantage for the past 20 or 30 years, to the point where many local offices are filled by Republicans who run unopposed.  So it happens on both sides.

 

Look, we get it.  You're unhappy with the election results.  You can't comprehend how people don't like Trump.   But his campaign has filed some 60 different lawsuits, and not a single one was successful.  Many of these were filed in courts overseen by Republican-appointed judges.  All electoral college votes were legally certified and dispatched per the law.  The objections in Congress failed twice.

This was not a stolen election.  Trump lost.

One issue...

Some people saw ballot scanners REJECTING the ballot due to scanning error and the tabulator had to reinsert them.  Assumed they were counting vote more than once.  Ever been to the post office for a money order and sometimes the printer does the same thing?  The clerk has to reinsert it several times just for it to read. Some ballots rejected had to be recounted at a later time.

2010-09-09-jb-vote2jpg-60fb606d1dec874e.

Machine has also known to miscount...this is NOT fraud!

https://venturebeat.com/2020/11/01/optical-scanning-machines-are-susceptible-to-miscounting-u-s-voter-ballots/

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First Inventory of Damage to U.S. Capitol Building Released

The office of the Architect of the Capitol in Washington, the office that preserves and maintains the building’s art and architecture, released Friday the first inventory of the damage sustained during Wednesday’s riot.

Damage to the interior of the building was largely limited to broken glass, broken doors and graffiti, the report said, although it noted that statues, murals and historic benches displayed the residue of various pepper sprays, tear gas and fire extinguishers deployed by both rioters and law enforcement personnel. They will need to be carefully cleaned and conserved, the report said.

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This is hardly the damage that was caused last summer by democrats, who even tried to burn down a court house, while looting and damaging dozens of buildings.

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11 minutes ago, MovieMadness said:

First Inventory of Damage to U.S. Capitol Building Released

The office of the Architect of the Capitol in Washington, the office that preserves and maintains the building’s art and architecture, released Friday the first inventory of the damage sustained during Wednesday’s riot.

Damage to the interior of the building was largely limited to broken glass, broken doors and graffiti, the report said, although it noted that statues, murals and historic benches displayed the residue of various pepper sprays, tear gas and fire extinguishers deployed by both rioters and law enforcement personnel. They will need to be carefully cleaned and conserved, the report said.

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This is hardly the damage that was caused last summer by democrats, who even tried to burn down a court house, while looting and damaging dozens of buildings.

Doesn't include the mess left behind (ransacked offices, etc).  This is just the damage to the building  itself and art, and is just the first report.

And trying to minimize it by comparing it to riots this summer is besides the point.   It doesn't reduce the significance at all, or justify it.

Your argument is a red herring fallacy.

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15 minutes ago, txfilmfan said:

Doesn't include the mess left behind (ransacked offices, etc).  This is just the damage to the building  itself and art, and is just the first report.

And trying to minimize it by comparing it to riots this summer is besides the point.   It doesn't reduce the significance at all, or justify it.

Your argument is a red herring fallacy.

You're correct of course,   but his lame attempts of but-look-over-there,   are very telling.      This is exactly what the 3 Fox taking-heads,  Tucker, Hannity,  and Ingraham,  did on their shows that day.    E.g. Tucker showed video after video of violence social protests during the last year.    I guess there isn't much else they can do,   since they know this pust a major stain on Trump and the GOP,   that they worship so much.

 

 

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It is looking more and more like Donald and Ivanka's "Patriots" were organized by QAnon and that 7 separate white supremacist groups participated in the coup attempt.  Of course a lot of generally disgruntled average Trump supporters got caught up in the excitement of it all as well.

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44 minutes ago, MovieMadness said:

First Inventory of Damage to U.S. Capitol Building Released

The office of the Architect of the Capitol in Washington, the office that preserves and maintains the building’s art and architecture, released Friday the first inventory of the damage sustained during Wednesday’s riot.

Damage to the interior of the building was largely limited to broken glass, broken doors and graffiti, the report said, although it noted that statues, murals and historic benches displayed the residue of various pepper sprays, tear gas and fire extinguishers deployed by both rioters and law enforcement personnel. They will need to be carefully cleaned and conserved, the report said.

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This is hardly the damage that was caused last summer by democrats, who even tried to burn down a court house, while looting and damaging dozens of buildings.

and the torching of a police station.

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8 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

It is looking more and more like Donald and Ivanka's "Patriots" were organized by QAnon and that 7 separate white supremacist groups participated in the coup attempt.  Of course a lot of generally disgruntled average Trump supporters got caught up in the excitement of it all as well.

 

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I've noticed how our celebrants are rioters and insurrectionists (chris cuomo dubbed them mobsters) I guess because they were mobbing but the other side's celebrants are peaceful protesters.

during that past time when his peaceful protesters were trying to breach CNN headquarters in Atlanta cuomo was making excuses for them upstairs on the air while they were trashing the front of his own building!

and 3 days after election nite here's this blonde democrat election bimbo in philly giving no explanation for several unopened boxes of mail-in ballots which she says would not be opened and counted for another 24 hours!...WHY???

 

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4 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

and the torching of a police station.

So what is your point?  The few  violent agitators who took advantage of protests against racial injustice are just as bad as the thousands who tried to overthrow the entire government of the United States?  The Black Lives Matter protests in which tens of thousands took part were for the most part peaceful.

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12 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

and the torching of a police station.

I tried Googling that forwards and backwards, can't find anything involving a police station being torched by the Capital rioters.

But if you're referring to BLM infiltrators that doesn't justify what happened on Capital hill. (2 wrongs don't make a right)

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Just now, hamradio said:

I tried Googling that forwards and backwards, can't find anything involving a police station being torched by the Capital rioters.

I believe he is referring to the police station that was damaged by hooligans who  took advantage of the Black Lives Matter protests.

Didn't they find that this was done by right wing agitators?  In any event it was a few people and not the thousands we saw last week.

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15 minutes ago, txfilmfan said:

 

There was a terrific little interview of two old crones who were outside the Capital Building.  One said "I just want to go in there and drag those Senators out by their hair."

The reporter asked how do you feel about all of the violence here today.  The women were outraged.  "Violence?  What violence?"

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"the elasticity of vague ideas is their strength."

how many millions or is it billions of taxpayers dollars have been spent on democrat socials programs that never worked!

and they wanna talk about our supposed elasticity of vague ideas?...

how about their gross waste of OUR money over a 50-year period?

a musical salute to that yesteryear brand of liberal education that was supposed to work BUT NEVER DID.

:D

 

 

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26 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

"the elasticity of vague ideas is their strength."

how many millions or is it billions of taxpayers dollars have been spent on democrat socials programs that never worked!

and they wanna talk about our supposed elasticity of vague ideas?...

how about their gross waste of OUR money over a 50-year period?

a musical salute to that yesteryear brand of liberal education that was supposed to work BUT NEVER DID.

:D

 

 

You missed his point.  It has nothing to do with the nostalgic path you went down.  But thanks for the reminder of a favorite TV program of my youth, even if the theme song did sound like a rip-off of the Beatles.

The elasticity comment refers to the lack of a cohesive Republican party platform and the purpose behind the gathering of all those people on Wednesday. 

At the 2020 convention, the Republicans stated that they were not going to develop a platform until 2024.  So what does the party stand for?  The only thing you can say for sure is it's anti-Democrat.

That's a given.

The comment meant that there is no central idea holding that group together.  It was a bunch of people gathered, and the only thing they have in common is idolatry of Trump.

That's not something to build a party on.  It's a fan club, not a political party.

 

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