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10 Golden Hollywood Scandals That Were Covered Up

It may be tempting to think that Hollywood today has reached its lowest point in regard to its ethics and those of its stars. Unfortunately, it seems that the movie business has attracted scandal since its birth.

In addition, to maintain the reputation of its stars, studios have always hired fixers, double dealers, and outright shysters to do the dirty work for them. Here are 10 scandals from the Golden Age of Hollywood that they tried to cover up.

10 Loretta Young Adopted Her Own Child

Loretta Young had it all. She was beautiful. She was successful. She was recognized, even winning an Oscar for her 1947 performance in The Farmer’s Daughter. And she was hiding a secret.

After she finished shooting The Call of the Wild in 1935, Young disappeared from view. When she returned to public life 18 months later, she brought along her “adopted” daughter, Judy. In fact, the child was her own, the product of a brief relationship with (married) Clark Gable. It is unclear if the relationship was consensual.

9 Joan Crawford Did A Porno

Joan Crawford was one of MGM’s biggest stars. She was known to be ambitious and somewhat ruthless in her pursuit of her career. She won an Oscar for her leading role in Mildred Pierce in 1945 and received two other Oscar nominations and a host of other awards. Crawford was Hollywood gold.

This must have made the persistent rumors that she had begun her career with roles in porn a little awkward. She is said to have starred in a film called Velvet Lips. At one point, her brother was offering copies to the highest bidder. There are no longer any copies of the film in existence, possibly due to the efforts of studio fixers employed to see that stars were not embarrassed by their indiscretions.

8 Jean Harlow Was Forced To Marry

Jean Harlow was the original blonde bombshell. She catapulted to stardom after appearing in Howard Hughes’s Hell’s Angels. It is fair to say that Harlow had a tumultuous life. She married her first husband on January 18, 1927, at age 15 and was divorced a few years later. Her second husband was killed in a gunshot accident, though there was much speculation that she had killed him.

Then she had an affair with a married boxer. When the scandal threatened to become public, the studio forced her to marry cinematographer Harold Rosson. However, the marriage was for public consumption only and they quietly divorced a few months later when the scandal was forgotten.

Harlow did want to marry William Powell. She fell for him in 1935 on the set of Reckless and wanted to get married, have a family, and give up acting. But Powell was not reckless. He had just been divorced from Carole Lombard and thought the public might not like him to marry so soon. He also made it clear that he never wanted children.

7 William Randolph Hearst Tried To Shoot Charlie Chaplin (And Killed Someone Else Instead)

William Randolph Hearst was a businessman, politician, and newspaper publisher. In fact, he was a tycoon with the largest newspaper business in the world, one of the most powerful people in America, and the inspiration for Orson Welles’s masterpiece, Citizen Kane. Hearst was known to be ruthless, hot-tempered, and, occasionally, downright nasty.

So it is fair to assume that he would not have taken news of his mistress having an affair lying down. He believed that Marion Davies was sleeping with Charlie Chaplin. Instead of confronting Chaplin outright, Hearst invited Chaplin and a number of other film people to join Hearst on his yacht. This must have made for rather uncomfortable small talk.

Thomas Ince was a Hollywood producer who specialized in Western films. His studio was profitable for a while, but it began to flounder. Looking for investors, Ince boarded Hearst’s yacht, hoping that the trip would change his fortunes. It did.

The official version of the death—certainly the one that Hearst had printed with indecent haste in his newspapers—was that Ince had developed digestive problems which proved fatal despite his swift hospitalization. Ince’s body was immediately cremated.

6 Tallulah Bankhead Had Multiple Abortions

Tallulah Bankhead was as famous inside Hollywood for her sexual activity as she was for her beauty around the rest of the world. At one point, she was said to have had 185 notches on her bedpost and she hadn’t finished counting.

Knowing that the studios would not have tolerated a pregnant star, Bankhead had four abortions by age 30. She wasn’t the only one. The studios had established protocols for this contingency and booked women into hospitals under false names for vague procedures. They were attended only by their own doctors, and visitors were strictly prohibited.

5 Patricia Douglas Was Raped

Patricia Douglas was a wannabe star. At 20, she was invited to attend an audition for MGM studios. Unknown to her, the “audition” was a party thrown by Louis B. Mayer for MGM’s sales executives. The party had been in swing for three days by the time Douglas attended, believing that she might be getting her “big break.”

Douglas was not worldly wise. She was a virgin from Kansas City, Missouri, who dreamed of being a star. She was not the only girl invited. In all, around 120 young women were bused in to “entertain” approximately 300 drunken delegates at a remote ranch. Dressed in cowboy hats, short skirts, and boots, the girls were promised a hot meal and $7.50 for the entire day.

4 Errol Flynn Was A Pervert

It’s not a secret that Errol Flynn had a large sexual appetite. The phrase “in like Flynn” was popularized after his trial for the statutory rape of two girls. Flynn was acquitted of all charges, and the trial only increased his reputation as a Lothario.

He was famous for his sexual “experiments” fueled by drink and drugs, but nothing seemed to dampen the public’s enthusiasm for him. Flynn died at age 50 of a heart attack. It is alleged that the coroners at the inquest removed a number of **** warts from the body as souvenirs.

3 Judy Garland Was Forced To Take Drugs

Judy Garland was first spotted by an MGM scout in 1935 as a young teen. They liked her voice and her acting but not her looks. She was signed and immediately began playing girl-next-door roles, working six days a week for up to 18 hours a day. To keep her energy up and her weight down, the studio supplied her with amphetamines. When it came time to stop work, they gave her sleeping pills.

Garland married at 19 against the wishes of the studio and was ordered back to work 24 hours after the wedding. When she became pregnant, they arranged for her to have an abortion.

By the time she began work on Meet Me in St. Louis in her early twenties, Judy Garland was completely reliant on amphetamines. The studio “protected” her by not allowing anyone else near her. When she called in sick, they recouped their lost production costs from her paycheck.

2 George Raft Really Was A Gangster

George Raft specialized in playing tough guys like convicts, crooks, and mobsters. Perhaps it was Raft’s real-life association with mobsters that influenced casting directors. His first role was a coin-tossing henchman in Scarface, which set the precedent for his career. He is known to have had lifelong associations with Mafia men like Owney Madden and Bugsy Siegel.

Raft had grown up in Hell’s Kitchen, a poor area of New York where his best friend, Benjamin “Bugsy” Siegel, taught Raft how to flip coins. Raft admitted to running bootleg liquor operations for the mob. Later, Siegel, a known mobster with movie connections, helped Raft break into the movie business.

1 Alfred Hitchcock Was A Stalker

Alfred Hitchcock was a gifted director, but he was also rather peculiar. Though he was married for 54 years, he claimed to have had sex only once. It didn’t stop him from becoming obsessed with his leading ladies, however. Grace Kelly and Janet Leigh both complained about his controlling nature. He refused to allow them to speak to other cast members or drive to the set with anyone other than him.

But it was Tippi Hedren who really became the focus of his obsession. While Hitchcock was riding high from the success of Psycho, he picked the unknown actress Hedren to star in The Birds. She became an instant star. But she was also tied to a contract with Hitchcock which left her in a vulnerable position.

On the set of The Birds, the director ordered the other cast members not to speak to her or touch her. Meanwhile, he told Hedren that they didn’t like her. He made several advances to her, which she rebuffed. Hedren claims that the scenes where she was attacked by birds were Hitchcock’s revenge.

Though Hedren continued to work, her career never really recovered.

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Each one of these scandals reads like a movie script, so no wonder they were so successful.

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Far as I know, that stuff about Flynn, Garland, and Crawford wasn't covered up.  It's always been pretty well known.  But as Raft's biography marks him as a professional dancer before his movie career took off,  his association with mobsters may or may not be true.  Especially with the mention of his oft given roles.  It would be like saying John Wayne was a real cowboy.

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8 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

10 Golden Hollywood Scandals That Were Covered Up

It may be tempting to think that Hollywood today has reached its lowest point in regard to its ethics and those of its stars. Unfortunately, it seems that the movie business has attracted scandal since its birth.

In addition, to maintain the reputation of its stars, studios have always hired fixers, double dealers, and outright shysters to do the dirty work for them. Here are 10 scandals from the Golden Age of Hollywood that they tried to cover up.

10 Loretta Young Adopted Her Own Child

Loretta Young had it all. She was beautiful. She was successful. She was recognized, even winning an Oscar for her 1947 performance in The Farmer’s Daughter. And she was hiding a secret.

After she finished shooting The Call of the Wild in 1935, Young disappeared from view. When she returned to public life 18 months later, she brought along her “adopted” daughter, Judy. In fact, the child was her own, the product of a brief relationship with (married) Clark Gable. It is unclear if the relationship was consensual.

9 Joan Crawford Did A Porno

Joan Crawford was one of MGM’s biggest stars. She was known to be ambitious and somewhat ruthless in her pursuit of her career. She won an Oscar for her leading role in Mildred Pierce in 1945 and received two other Oscar nominations and a host of other awards. Crawford was Hollywood gold.

This must have made the persistent rumors that she had begun her career with roles in porn a little awkward. She is said to have starred in a film called Velvet Lips. At one point, her brother was offering copies to the highest bidder. There are no longer any copies of the film in existence, possibly due to the efforts of studio fixers employed to see that stars were not embarrassed by their indiscretions.

8 Jean Harlow Was Forced To Marry

Jean Harlow was the original blonde bombshell. She catapulted to stardom after appearing in Howard Hughes’s Hell’s Angels. It is fair to say that Harlow had a tumultuous life. She married her first husband on January 18, 1927, at age 15 and was divorced a few years later. Her second husband was killed in a gunshot accident, though there was much speculation that she had killed him.

Then she had an affair with a married boxer. When the scandal threatened to become public, the studio forced her to marry cinematographer Harold Rosson. However, the marriage was for public consumption only and they quietly divorced a few months later when the scandal was forgotten.

Harlow did want to marry William Powell. She fell for him in 1935 on the set of Reckless and wanted to get married, have a family, and give up acting. But Powell was not reckless. He had just been divorced from Carole Lombard and thought the public might not like him to marry so soon. He also made it clear that he never wanted children.

7 William Randolph Hearst Tried To Shoot Charlie Chaplin (And Killed Someone Else Instead)

William Randolph Hearst was a businessman, politician, and newspaper publisher. In fact, he was a tycoon with the largest newspaper business in the world, one of the most powerful people in America, and the inspiration for Orson Welles’s masterpiece, Citizen Kane. Hearst was known to be ruthless, hot-tempered, and, occasionally, downright nasty.

So it is fair to assume that he would not have taken news of his mistress having an affair lying down. He believed that Marion Davies was sleeping with Charlie Chaplin. Instead of confronting Chaplin outright, Hearst invited Chaplin and a number of other film people to join Hearst on his yacht. This must have made for rather uncomfortable small talk.

Thomas Ince was a Hollywood producer who specialized in Western films. His studio was profitable for a while, but it began to flounder. Looking for investors, Ince boarded Hearst’s yacht, hoping that the trip would change his fortunes. It did.

The official version of the death—certainly the one that Hearst had printed with indecent haste in his newspapers—was that Ince had developed digestive problems which proved fatal despite his swift hospitalization. Ince’s body was immediately cremated.

6 Tallulah Bankhead Had Multiple Abortions

Tallulah Bankhead was as famous inside Hollywood for her sexual activity as she was for her beauty around the rest of the world. At one point, she was said to have had 185 notches on her bedpost and she hadn’t finished counting.

Knowing that the studios would not have tolerated a pregnant star, Bankhead had four abortions by age 30. She wasn’t the only one. The studios had established protocols for this contingency and booked women into hospitals under false names for vague procedures. They were attended only by their own doctors, and visitors were strictly prohibited.

5 Patricia Douglas Was Raped

Patricia Douglas was a wannabe star. At 20, she was invited to attend an audition for MGM studios. Unknown to her, the “audition” was a party thrown by Louis B. Mayer for MGM’s sales executives. The party had been in swing for three days by the time Douglas attended, believing that she might be getting her “big break.”

Douglas was not worldly wise. She was a virgin from Kansas City, Missouri, who dreamed of being a star. She was not the only girl invited. In all, around 120 young women were bused in to “entertain” approximately 300 drunken delegates at a remote ranch. Dressed in cowboy hats, short skirts, and boots, the girls were promised a hot meal and $7.50 for the entire day.

4 Errol Flynn Was A Pervert

It’s not a secret that Errol Flynn had a large sexual appetite. The phrase “in like Flynn” was popularized after his trial for the statutory rape of two girls. Flynn was acquitted of all charges, and the trial only increased his reputation as a Lothario.

He was famous for his sexual “experiments” fueled by drink and drugs, but nothing seemed to dampen the public’s enthusiasm for him. Flynn died at age 50 of a heart attack. It is alleged that the coroners at the inquest removed a number of **** warts from the body as souvenirs.

3 Judy Garland Was Forced To Take Drugs

Judy Garland was first spotted by an MGM scout in 1935 as a young teen. They liked her voice and her acting but not her looks. She was signed and immediately began playing girl-next-door roles, working six days a week for up to 18 hours a day. To keep her energy up and her weight down, the studio supplied her with amphetamines. When it came time to stop work, they gave her sleeping pills.

Garland married at 19 against the wishes of the studio and was ordered back to work 24 hours after the wedding. When she became pregnant, they arranged for her to have an abortion.

By the time she began work on Meet Me in St. Louis in her early twenties, Judy Garland was completely reliant on amphetamines. The studio “protected” her by not allowing anyone else near her. When she called in sick, they recouped their lost production costs from her paycheck.

2 George Raft Really Was A Gangster

George Raft specialized in playing tough guys like convicts, crooks, and mobsters. Perhaps it was Raft’s real-life association with mobsters that influenced casting directors. His first role was a coin-tossing henchman in Scarface, which set the precedent for his career. He is known to have had lifelong associations with Mafia men like Owney Madden and Bugsy Siegel.

Raft had grown up in Hell’s Kitchen, a poor area of New York where his best friend, Benjamin “Bugsy” Siegel, taught Raft how to flip coins. Raft admitted to running bootleg liquor operations for the mob. Later, Siegel, a known mobster with movie connections, helped Raft break into the movie business.

1 Alfred Hitchcock Was A Stalker

Alfred Hitchcock was a gifted director, but he was also rather peculiar. Though he was married for 54 years, he claimed to have had sex only once. It didn’t stop him from becoming obsessed with his leading ladies, however. Grace Kelly and Janet Leigh both complained about his controlling nature. He refused to allow them to speak to other cast members or drive to the set with anyone other than him.

But it was Tippi Hedren who really became the focus of his obsession. While Hitchcock was riding high from the success of Psycho, he picked the unknown actress Hedren to star in The Birds. She became an instant star. But she was also tied to a contract with Hitchcock which left her in a vulnerable position.

On the set of The Birds, the director ordered the other cast members not to speak to her or touch her. Meanwhile, he told Hedren that they didn’t like her. He made several advances to her, which she rebuffed. Hedren claims that the scenes where she was attacked by birds were Hitchcock’s revenge.

Though Hedren continued to work, her career never really recovered.

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Each one of these scandals reads like a movie script, so no wonder they were so successful.

You forgot John Wayne was a racist  and a coward who never served in World War II because he was too busy showing how tough and patriotic he was on a soundstage, while other men like my father were facing real bullets fighting for freedom.

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8 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

10 Golden Hollywood Scandals That Were Covered Up

It may be tempting to think that Hollywood today has reached its lowest point in regard to its ethics and those of its stars. Unfortunately, it seems that the movie business has attracted scandal since its birth.

In addition, to maintain the reputation of its stars, studios have always hired fixers, double dealers, and outright shysters to do the dirty work for them. Here are 10 scandals from the Golden Age of Hollywood that they tried to cover up.

10 Loretta Young Adopted Her Own Child

Loretta Young had it all. She was beautiful. She was successful. She was recognized, even winning an Oscar for her 1947 performance in The Farmer’s Daughter. And she was hiding a secret.

After she finished shooting The Call of the Wild in 1935, Young disappeared from view. When she returned to public life 18 months later, she brought along her “adopted” daughter, Judy. In fact, the child was her own, the product of a brief relationship with (married) Clark Gable. It is unclear if the relationship was consensual.

9 Joan Crawford Did A Porno

Joan Crawford was one of MGM’s biggest stars. She was known to be ambitious and somewhat ruthless in her pursuit of her career. She won an Oscar for her leading role in Mildred Pierce in 1945 and received two other Oscar nominations and a host of other awards. Crawford was Hollywood gold.

This must have made the persistent rumors that she had begun her career with roles in porn a little awkward. She is said to have starred in a film called Velvet Lips. At one point, her brother was offering copies to the highest bidder. There are no longer any copies of the film in existence, possibly due to the efforts of studio fixers employed to see that stars were not embarrassed by their indiscretions.

8 Jean Harlow Was Forced To Marry

Jean Harlow was the original blonde bombshell. She catapulted to stardom after appearing in Howard Hughes’s Hell’s Angels. It is fair to say that Harlow had a tumultuous life. She married her first husband on January 18, 1927, at age 15 and was divorced a few years later. Her second husband was killed in a gunshot accident, though there was much speculation that she had killed him.

Then she had an affair with a married boxer. When the scandal threatened to become public, the studio forced her to marry cinematographer Harold Rosson. However, the marriage was for public consumption only and they quietly divorced a few months later when the scandal was forgotten.

Harlow did want to marry William Powell. She fell for him in 1935 on the set of Reckless and wanted to get married, have a family, and give up acting. But Powell was not reckless. He had just been divorced from Carole Lombard and thought the public might not like him to marry so soon. He also made it clear that he never wanted children.

7 William Randolph Hearst Tried To Shoot Charlie Chaplin (And Killed Someone Else Instead)

William Randolph Hearst was a businessman, politician, and newspaper publisher. In fact, he was a tycoon with the largest newspaper business in the world, one of the most powerful people in America, and the inspiration for Orson Welles’s masterpiece, Citizen Kane. Hearst was known to be ruthless, hot-tempered, and, occasionally, downright nasty.

So it is fair to assume that he would not have taken news of his mistress having an affair lying down. He believed that Marion Davies was sleeping with Charlie Chaplin. Instead of confronting Chaplin outright, Hearst invited Chaplin and a number of other film people to join Hearst on his yacht. This must have made for rather uncomfortable small talk.

Thomas Ince was a Hollywood producer who specialized in Western films. His studio was profitable for a while, but it began to flounder. Looking for investors, Ince boarded Hearst’s yacht, hoping that the trip would change his fortunes. It did.

The official version of the death—certainly the one that Hearst had printed with indecent haste in his newspapers—was that Ince had developed digestive problems which proved fatal despite his swift hospitalization. Ince’s body was immediately cremated.

6 Tallulah Bankhead Had Multiple Abortions

Tallulah Bankhead was as famous inside Hollywood for her sexual activity as she was for her beauty around the rest of the world. At one point, she was said to have had 185 notches on her bedpost and she hadn’t finished counting.

Knowing that the studios would not have tolerated a pregnant star, Bankhead had four abortions by age 30. She wasn’t the only one. The studios had established protocols for this contingency and booked women into hospitals under false names for vague procedures. They were attended only by their own doctors, and visitors were strictly prohibited.

5 Patricia Douglas Was Raped

Patricia Douglas was a wannabe star. At 20, she was invited to attend an audition for MGM studios. Unknown to her, the “audition” was a party thrown by Louis B. Mayer for MGM’s sales executives. The party had been in swing for three days by the time Douglas attended, believing that she might be getting her “big break.”

Douglas was not worldly wise. She was a virgin from Kansas City, Missouri, who dreamed of being a star. She was not the only girl invited. In all, around 120 young women were bused in to “entertain” approximately 300 drunken delegates at a remote ranch. Dressed in cowboy hats, short skirts, and boots, the girls were promised a hot meal and $7.50 for the entire day.

4 Errol Flynn Was A Pervert

It’s not a secret that Errol Flynn had a large sexual appetite. The phrase “in like Flynn” was popularized after his trial for the statutory rape of two girls. Flynn was acquitted of all charges, and the trial only increased his reputation as a Lothario.

He was famous for his sexual “experiments” fueled by drink and drugs, but nothing seemed to dampen the public’s enthusiasm for him. Flynn died at age 50 of a heart attack. It is alleged that the coroners at the inquest removed a number of **** warts from the body as souvenirs.

3 Judy Garland Was Forced To Take Drugs

Judy Garland was first spotted by an MGM scout in 1935 as a young teen. They liked her voice and her acting but not her looks. She was signed and immediately began playing girl-next-door roles, working six days a week for up to 18 hours a day. To keep her energy up and her weight down, the studio supplied her with amphetamines. When it came time to stop work, they gave her sleeping pills.

Garland married at 19 against the wishes of the studio and was ordered back to work 24 hours after the wedding. When she became pregnant, they arranged for her to have an abortion.

By the time she began work on Meet Me in St. Louis in her early twenties, Judy Garland was completely reliant on amphetamines. The studio “protected” her by not allowing anyone else near her. When she called in sick, they recouped their lost production costs from her paycheck.

2 George Raft Really Was A Gangster

George Raft specialized in playing tough guys like convicts, crooks, and mobsters. Perhaps it was Raft’s real-life association with mobsters that influenced casting directors. His first role was a coin-tossing henchman in Scarface, which set the precedent for his career. He is known to have had lifelong associations with Mafia men like Owney Madden and Bugsy Siegel.

Raft had grown up in Hell’s Kitchen, a poor area of New York where his best friend, Benjamin “Bugsy” Siegel, taught Raft how to flip coins. Raft admitted to running bootleg liquor operations for the mob. Later, Siegel, a known mobster with movie connections, helped Raft break into the movie business.

1 Alfred Hitchcock Was A Stalker

Alfred Hitchcock was a gifted director, but he was also rather peculiar. Though he was married for 54 years, he claimed to have had sex only once. It didn’t stop him from becoming obsessed with his leading ladies, however. Grace Kelly and Janet Leigh both complained about his controlling nature. He refused to allow them to speak to other cast members or drive to the set with anyone other than him.

But it was Tippi Hedren who really became the focus of his obsession. While Hitchcock was riding high from the success of Psycho, he picked the unknown actress Hedren to star in The Birds. She became an instant star. But she was also tied to a contract with Hitchcock which left her in a vulnerable position.

On the set of The Birds, the director ordered the other cast members not to speak to her or touch her. Meanwhile, he told Hedren that they didn’t like her. He made several advances to her, which she rebuffed. Hedren claims that the scenes where she was attacked by birds were Hitchcock’s revenge.

Though Hedren continued to work, her career never really recovered.

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Each one of these scandals reads like a movie script, so no wonder they were so successful.

Say! This sounds like it would make for a pretty good movie! Like maybe about a "fixer" for the studios whose job it was was to make sure the public would never know about their stars' little "piccadilloes".

Oh, wait. They already made that one, huh...

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(...doubt though that any movie about keeping the average Joe's little piccadilloes secret in say "the heartland" and where of course such immoral things NEVER take place, would be as interesting, huh MM!) ;)

LOL

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Dargo said:

Say! This sounds like it would make for a pretty good movie! Like maybe about a "fixer" for the studios whose job it was was to make sure the public would never know about their stars' little "piccadilloes".

Oh, wait. They already made that one, huh...

hail_caesar_-_film_-_free_stuff.jpg

(...doubt though that any movie about a "fixer" whose job it was was to keep the average Joe's little piccadilloes secret in say "the heartland" and where of course such immoral things NEVER take place, would be as interesting, huh MM!) ;)

LOL

 

 

Speaking of real people in the Midland. This always reminds me of the tragic story of the Miss America whose father, a rich pillar of the community in Denver, Colorado, sexually molested her from the ages of 5 to 18.

Marilyn Van Derbur had the courage to not just write about it but to also speak about it in public to help others.

Incest is certainly taboo and certainly a scandal wherever it happens.

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Speaking of real people in the Midland. This always reminds me of the tragic story of the Miss America whose father, a rich pillar of the community in Denver, Colorado, sexually molested her from the ages of 5 to 18.

Marilyn Van Derbur had the courage to not just write about it but to also speak about it in public to help others.

Incest is certainly taboo and certainly a scandal wherever it happens.

Wait here, Princess!

Are you trying to tell me here that HOLLYWOOD isn't the ONLY place in this country where people do immoral and scandalous THINGS???

(...boy, you sure as hell better not tell the OP of this thread MM this...it could just wreck his WHOLE world view, ya know!) ;)

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OH, and btw here Princess, I'd suggest you ALSO keep this bit of information from the Nipster TOO!

(...and for the very same reason)

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1 hour ago, Princess of Tap said:

Speaking of real people in the Midland. This always reminds me of the tragic story of the Miss America whose father, a rich pillar of the community in Denver, Colorado, sexually molested her from the ages of 5 to 18.

Marilyn Van Derbur had the courage to not just write about it but to also speak about it in public to help others.

Incest is certainly taboo and certainly a scandal wherever it happens.

 

Lauren Chapin's was abused by her father and a guy called "Uncle"? 

 

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Starred in a fake unrealistic family.

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...Starred in a fake unrealistic family.

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Okay here, HAM!!!

As I ALWAYS have, I RESENT your comment about the television Anderson family here being "unrealistic".

And because FIRST, Robert Young who played the patriarch in this multi-Emmy winning television series NOR in fact ANY of the actors and actress who played a member of that family EVER played them as being "unrealistically perfect", nor for THAT matter, "unrealistic" in ANY fashion whatsoever! Nope, not EVER! Most episodes CLEARLY portrayed all the family members' foibles and shortcomings as human beings, but in fact DID so VERY realistically and or but hardly ever for a cheap laugh, and which is most uncommon for sitcom writers to do. This television program was VERY well-written and VERY "realistic" in MANY ways.

And secondly, and while I don't know about YOUR mom and dad, MY parents and their behavior regularly seemed to almost mirror in REAL life those of Robert Young's Jim and Jane Wyatt's Margaret Anderson.

What, perhaps I was just "lucky"?! Nope, I don't think so. 

Ah, but of course then again, THIS was during an era in America when PRESIDENTS actually acted like caring and intelligent adults TOO!

(...and so in closing, I sure as hell wish people would STOP saying this about that wonderful 1950's TV series, and 'cause it just ISN'T TRUE!!!)

 

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13 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Want '50's realism watch "The Honeymooners".

;)

So, in essence you're sayin' YOUR mom and dad "mirrored" Ralph and Alice Kramden then, EH?! Well, if they would've have children.

(...and relocated from Brooklyn N.Y. to West Virginy, as I assume the W.V.  is where your formative years were spent)

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14 minutes ago, Dargo said:

So, in essence you're sayin' YOUR mom and dad "mirrored" Ralph and Alice Kramden then, EH?! Well, if they would've have children.

(...and relocated from Brooklyn N.Y. to West Virginy, as I assume the W.V.  is where your formative years were spent)

This was father knows best 1950's Appalachia style (what i mostly witnessed)

Fortunately I lived a little better.  Lesson learned, nothing is given to you, have to work for it!

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19 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Well you might have been lucky.    My parents were more like these two:

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Wow, that's a shame.

Ya know James, the more I think about it, the more I think I might HAVE actually been "lucky" in the parental department, as my wife has told me that her parents were quite often at each other's throats just like  Martha and George here are...and evidently as your parents were too.

(...however, in my wife's parents case, she has told me her family dynamics wouldn't have been exactly like this scene from this movie, as she said her father would get "physical" with her mother instead of recoiling like Richard is doing here and if she dare ever acted like Liz did here in that movie...nope, my wife's mother was more the passive-aggressive type)

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6 minutes ago, hamradio said:

This was father knows best 1950's Appalachia style (what i mostly witnessed)

Fortunately I lived a little better. 

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OH yeah! The McKinney family from Skunk Hollow, WV!

(...saaay, didn't those three middle daughters there end up marryin' their cousin Clem's three boys???)

LOL

 

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41 minutes ago, hamradio said:

The family JFK visiting in 1960 more likely couldn't afford a TV to watch the idealistic / realistic "Father Knows Best".

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WAIT! Did you NOW just say the "IDEALISTIC Father Knows Best"???

Nope, there still is nothing "idealistic" about that program, nor for that matter the idea of living in a modern (1950s, anyway) suburban environment. 

Ya see, that was kind'a my point up there too, and that FKB also realistically portrayed the trials and tribulations of a down-to-earth and average everyday middle class suburban family from the 1950s, and so it couldn't be called "Idealistic" either.

And even by those living in "Skunk Hollow WV" back then. And although I suppose to their POV, living in a location where people have all the modern conviences (AND where of course people don't resort to marrying a blood relative, LOL)  might be "ideal"! 

(...but NOT "idealistic", as there is a difference in meaning due to the "-istic" suffix then implying the thought of something being "unrealistic" or "unattainable")
 

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4 hours ago, hamradio said:

Want '50's realism watch "The Honeymooners".

;)

I think you're wrong again. I had a mother and a father, but otherwise my life was very similar to "My Three Sons" in terms of the atmosphere in the house and the way things went-- dog, chaos and fun.

 I could say our life was similar to "Leave it to Beaver" too, but average middle-class people weren't as formal as Barbara Billingsley and they certainly didn't eat in the dining room with all that formality every night. But the episodes in the stories were very similar to my childhood.

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4 hours ago, hamradio said:

The family JFK visiting in 1960 more likely couldn't afford a TV to watch the idealistic / realistic "Father Knows Best".

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He's in a very rugged area. We had a TV set in 1951, my mother had my father buy it so she could watch "I Love Lucy".

 In the 1950s our friends were working class, lower middle class and middle-class people. They all had TV sets and so on. They all had reasonably new cars though they were not luxurious just Fords and Chevys, though a quite a few also had Pontiacs and Oldsmobiles.

Most of my parents' friends had two or three kids.

But I did notice some kids at school who had 6,7,8,9 siblings were not as prosperous as some others, but they had Necessities like a TV and a car excetera.

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4 hours ago, hamradio said:

This was father knows best 1950's Appalachia style (what i mostly witnessed)

Fortunately I lived a little better.  Lesson learned, nothing is given to you, have to work for it!

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That's really sad. When I saw the photo I thought it was RFK because he did a lot of work talking about Appalachia.

 We had some Hillbillies who lived next door to us from that area. they were nice friendly people and I suppose they were doing a lot better after they moved to Kansas because they certainly weren't living like those people in the photo.

 I particularly loved their mother who could yodel, first time I ever heard it and she was awfully good.

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10 hours ago, Dargo said:

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And secondly, and while I don't know about YOUR mom and dad, MY parents and their behavior regularly seemed to almost mirror in REAL life those of Robert Young's Jim and Jane Wyatt's Margaret Anderson.

 

9 hours ago, hamradio said:

Want '50's realism watch "The Honeymooners".

;)

 

9 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Well you might have been lucky.    My parents were more like these two:

Feminist Flashback: 'Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?' | Women's Views on  News

You seriously do not want to start comparing families during childhood! My life was complicated even before I was born.

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On 1/11/2021 at 6:56 PM, Princess of Tap said:

You forgot John Wayne was a racist  and a coward who never served in World War II because he was too busy showing how tough and patriotic he was on a soundstage, while other men like my father were facing real bullets fighting for freedom.

No disrespect of you intended, but when was this covered up? That Playboy interview that pops up every few years has never been denied or discredited. And his war record, or lack thereof, has been common knowledge from the start.

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