ClaudiaElle Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Mr. Mankiewicz, I so wish you had addressed the insulting and sexist remarks when hosting That's Entertainment! your channel aired a month or so ago. When I see you as host I expect sensitive and timely disclaimers regarding the film to be seen. By not doing so, you missed an opportunity to call out the compilation's sexist content. Frank Sinatra's fat shaming remarks, Jimmy Stewart blaming folks with "thick, foreign accents" where they, " lisp and talk through their noses", and Donald O'Connor's surprise that Esther Wiliams had talent beyond the pool. The minstrel performance, Waiting on the Robert E Lee could also lend itself to an explanation, if possible. As long as context is provided such as, "This dated film compilation is hosted by white male nitwits." Thanks for listening, still love TCM and you are one of my favorite hosts. Claudia McCarty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesJazGuitar Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, ClaudiaElle said: Mr. Mankiewicz, I so wish you had addressed the insulting and sexist remarks when hosting That's Entertainment! your channel aired a month or so ago. When I see you as host I expect sensitive and timely disclaimers regarding the film to be seen. By not doing so, you missed an opportunity to call out the compilation's sexist content. Frank Sinatra's fat shaming remarks, Jimmy Stewart blaming folks with "thick, foreign accents" where they, " lisp and talk through their noses", and Donald O'Connor's surprise that Esther Wiliams had talent beyond the pool. The minstrel performance, Waiting on the Robert E Lee could also lend itself to an explanation, if possible. As long as context is provided such as, "This dated film compilation is hosted by white male nitwits." Thanks for listening, still love TCM and you are one of my favorite hosts. Claudia McCarty Interesting. Most "newbies" tend to complain that TCM is being too PC. E.g. the new series about 18 problematic movies like Gone With the Wind, Breakfast at Tiffany, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txfilmfan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 45 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said: Interesting. Most "newbies" tend to complain that TCM is being too PC. E.g. the new series about 18 problematic movies like Gone With the Wind, Breakfast at Tiffany, etc... With no other context to guide me, I read the OP's post as sarcasm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyDan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, txfilmfan said: With no other context to guide me, I read the OP's post as sarcasm... As sarcasm it lacks bite. It reads like earnest wokery. Spend an evening on twitter in a discussion of any old movie and you will see many posts like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesJazGuitar Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 46 minutes ago, txfilmfan said: With no other context to guide me, I read the OP's post as sarcasm... I did think it might be but decided to reply, as I did. The examples sited were pointed (but such examples could be used to make a case either-way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamradio Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 newbies within a couple of hours that complains about somehow being offended by TCM, got to wonder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopBilled Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Definitely the OP is being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SansFin Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, txfilmfan said: With no other context to guide me, I read the OP's post as sarcasm... Poe's Law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dargo Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Sorry, but I can't tell if Claudia here is being sarcastic of not?! KIND'A seems she is, but I'm not sure. BUT, if her post WAS meant in earnest, one point of hers caught my attention, and so I might have an answer for her.... 3 hours ago, ClaudiaElle said: Mr. Mankiewicz... ...When I see you as host I expect sensitive and timely disclaimers regarding the film to be seen...Jimmy Stewart blaming folks with "thick, foreign accents" where they, " lisp and where they talk through their noses... Claudia McCarty You see Claudia, what I'm thinkin' here that perhaps the reason Ben DIDN'T include a "disclaimer" about the line "they talk through their noses" is because Ben might NOT have wanted to call attention to THIS because Ben HIMSELF "talks through his nose", and HAS "talked through his nose" since the very first time I tuned into TCM YEARS ago and he was hosting! (...but, don't worry though if you've never noticed this, and because for YEARS now I seem to be the ONLY person on these boards who HAS noticed this, or will at least ACKNOWLEDGE this anyway!) LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumman Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Who are all these newbies suddenly complaining in different posts could it be the same person ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dargo Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Millenniumman said: Who are all these newbies suddenly complaining in different posts could it be the same person ? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamradio Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 53 minutes ago, Dargo said: I doubt it. The I don't want to be lectured by TCM has been removed by the mods. Now the 2nd post on this thread, joined just to rerspond about "TCM politics" again"? https://forums.tcm.com/topic/266853-why/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepiatone Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Odd, but I don't seem to recall, after seeing THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT several times where Sinatra and Stewart made any comments like that. Must've been to the head at the time or whatever.... Or maybe those comments were said as dialog of their characters in some movie in which case means the OP really had no reason to complain about the actors in the first place. I dunno. If perhaps a clip of those two saying those things that can attribute them as having been said as part of an interview can be shown, it might clear things up. Sepiatone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Cronin Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Jimmy's script: The only actor in town that wasn't worried was Rin Tin Tin. As long as he could bark, sound was no threat to him. For MGM and the rest of Hollywood, there were gloomy days ahead. Some of the biggest silent stars spoke with thick foreign accents. Others had a lisp or talked through their noses. The early microphones seemed to exaggerate the flaws... that silent film had hidden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Cronin Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 And Frankie says this: Broadway Melody of 1929 won an Oscar for Best Picture that year... and MGM was off and running with a new formula for success. Charles King and a line of slightly overweight chorus girls... were the beginning of a new motion picture art form... that would captivate audiences for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vjg6727 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 8 hours ago, hamradio said: The I don't want to be lectured by TCM has been removed by the mods. Now the 2nd post on this thread, joined just to rerspond about "TCM politics" again"? https://forums.tcm.com/topic/266853-why/ The mods can’t handle differing opinions. Woke and childish censorship has come to TCM. Not everyone needs to be told how to think or feel. But obviously the mods and several contributors do need to be told and handheld. Just change the channel or mute the hosts when they launch into their diatribes explaining why we should all feel bad about old movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamradio Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Dargo said: I doubt it. Still doubting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dargo Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 hours ago, hamradio said: Still doubting? Yep ham. Call me "naive" here if ya want, but I still very seriously doubt that all these complainers we've been seeing here are, or I guess "is", a single person who has been so driven by their disgust of being "lectured to" enough re-register themselves on these boards over and over just to do this. (...and so yep, still doubting here, ol' buddy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaytonf Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 More bait. Can't you smell it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopBilled Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 8 hours ago, slaytonf said: More bait. Can't you smell it? Agree. If she was not sarcastic, she would have come back on and explained herself. But she's not going to say, you know what guys I was yanking your chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepiatone Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 23 hours ago, Roy Cronin said: Jimmy's script: The only actor in town that wasn't worried was Rin Tin Tin. As long as he could bark, sound was no threat to him. For MGM and the rest of Hollywood, there were gloomy days ahead. Some of the biggest silent stars spoke with thick foreign accents. Others had a lisp or talked through their noses. The early microphones seemed to exaggerate the flaws... that silent film had hidden. As you did point out, that was, "in Jimmy's script." which I doubt HE wrote. And.... 22 hours ago, Roy Cronin said: And Frankie says this: Broadway Melody of 1929 won an Oscar for Best Picture that year... and MGM was off and running with a new formula for success. Charles King and a line of slightly overweight chorus girls... were the beginning of a new motion picture art form... that would captivate audiences for years to come. Had you seen any of the very early filmed musical pieces shown yesterday morning you'd have noticed several of the chorus girls WERE slightly overweight. In early movie musicals it was pretty commonplace for many of the female dancers to be somewhat chunky. And again, I don't think Frankie was speaking "off the cuff", but like Jimmy, repeating what was scripted. And both are actually factual statements. A lot of very good silent actors(and actresses) had their film careers go up in smoke due to their naturally unintelligible speaking voices. And as I just pointed out, a lot of early movie musical women dancers were "slightly overweight". And it's not insulting if it's true. Sepiatone PS: Watch "Singin' In The Rain" for the voice thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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