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CineMaven won #13.


Personally, I'm thankful for the delay -- I'm on the fence as to whether or not I'll try another one, but before even thinking about doing one, I'd like to have my databases sorted out. Getting that done is currently #2,416,896 on my to-do list.


If she wants to wait a good long while before setting #14, it's fine by me (and since the number fourteen has special significance relating to the Mayan end-of-the-world scenario, December, 2012 would be an excellent time for it). :)

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She may be waiting for those who have kids to get into a regular routine now that the kids are back to school. And before any one thinks this is an outlandish thought, please bear in mind that some participants are parents of school age children.


I'm hoping to hear something about it and would be happy with a start date sometime in October.

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ChipHeartsMovies --


I'll admit I've thought about it, and even had an idea for a theme I'm sure no one has done, but I'm the type who needs to get everything in order before I start a project. Right now, the relevant info I need is scattered through six databases which are incompatible with each other. (My last entry depended on huge blocks of a few actors, so I could use IMDB. A more creative schedule would require different search techniques.)


What I'm really afraid of is that she'll come up with a doozy of a challenge, one I can't resist. Nothing will sucker in me faster than a good dare that inspires an extreme idea.



As to my personal taste, that's easy -- intensity. Whether it's a drawing room comedy, noir, or sf, I'm drawn to movies where either the screenwriter or the actors show true passion for the material. My DVD collection includes everything from *Adam's Rib* and *Aeon Flux* to *Yojimbo* and *Zombies on Broadway* (as I write this, I'm listening/half-watching *Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead* ).

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> {quote:title=ChipHeartsMovies wrote:}{quote}

> I'm coming to your house for movie night next week! I'll bring the popcorn if YOU pick the movies!


Great idea! (Of course, you'll have to sign a waiver releasing me from any liability for your mental state afterward.)


Tentative schedule is *My Neighbor Totoro* or *La Femme Nikita* (you have no idea how similar I think those movies are) followed by *The Mask of Fu Manchu* and/or *Warning from Space* and/or *The Umbrellas of Cherbourgh.*


Since I consider some tv shows to be mini-movies, I'll probably slip in a couple of episodes of either *The Vicar of Dibley* or *Gunslinger Girl* (but never both on the same night).


I've been in a Kurosawa/Mifune mood lately, so the night might end with *Throne of Blood* and *The Hidden Fortress.*


Think you're up for it?

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> {quote:title=LonesomePolecat wrote:}{quote}

> Wish I could come, but I would add Miyazaki's "Castle in the Sky" to that list.


You're welcome to join in. But which would you prefer *Castle in the Sky* or *Howl's Moving Castle* ? (I sometimes like one a bit more than the other, but at the next viewing, I'll switch preferences.)


Of course, *The Adventures of Baron Munchausen* is always an option . . .

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You?ve WAITED for it!!! You?ve been clamoring for it!! It?s here!!! Well...almost.




The first Challenge was created a few years ago by fellow board member, path40a, and each Challenge from then on was hosted by the person who won the previous Challenge.


I am flattered, honored (and surprised) to have won the 13th Challenge and to be hosting TCM?s 14th PROGRAMMING CHALLENGE!! This has been a great tradition on the TCM Message Board and I hope to carry it on with integrity, professionalism and my deep love of classic films.


Many of you know that I was selected by Turner Classic Movies to participate as a Guest Fan Programmer on television and to have my Fan Perspective aired on TCM. Many of you have read my posts on this Message Board. I am bright, knowledgeable and humorous if I do say so myself. No sense hiding my light under a bushel now. I also use the <IGNORE> feature to avoid reading posts from multi-user named ?members.? Nothing has changed in that respect while I head this challenge. Fairness will not be compromised! And I personally will not allow myself to be bombarded and smothered in my efforts to host this prestigious honor. I put that on the table right now, openly to put on notice any hijacking of this thread that has been a staple of the TCM Message Board. Hopefully you will speak out against any smothering and hijacking of this Challenge, to our WebAdmin if you see that to be the case. I say this becuz TCM CITY has changed drastically since the immortal path40a posted the original challenge back on February 26, 2006.


I shall borrow from Masters past, in terms of the rules of the Challenge but those of you who are regulars here know what those rules are already. As always, we?re hoping for new, sincere and genuine lovers of classic films to play along. In other words, fresh blood!!


The Challenge will run for ONE month: October 1 - 31, 2009. There are five week-ends in October and if you are using your week-ends to participate in THIS contest...whew! You?ve really gotta get a life!! ;-) It will end October 31st at 11:59PM. Okaaaaaaaaay, for my West Coast friends that?ll be 11:59PM (PST) your time too. I will not accept any schedules past 3:00AM NY time. Yup, I'll be up or coming home from a party. Please tell me WHAT state you live in when you sign up for this competition. This way I know who to look for in terms of the competition?s time zones.


This contest is in no way sponsored, endorsed or coordinated by the folks at TCM. But I?d like you to use your imagination as though you were the Programmer at Turner Classic Movies. Yo! This could be your resume for TCM since I understand they do view this challenge from time-to-time.





Your week starts at 6AM ET on Sunday and ends on the following Sunday at 5:59 AM ET. This means that your first film programmed begins right at 6 AM Sunday. Your final film can run slightly over, but should end fairly close to 5:59 AM ET the following Sunday.



Each day usually begins at 6AM ET.



One night a block of at least four films must be devoted to a STAR OF THE MONTH. Be sure the person you select has enough movies to schedule over a four week period. (So that leaves out James Dean films).



Feature films generally start on the top, quarter, bottom, three-quarters of the hour. Prime-time features start at 8pm ET. Please allow enough time on your evening schedule to allow for INTROS and OUTROS for each film.



Try not to leave more than 15 minute gaps between the end of one film and the beginning of the next, lest your audience grow bored. And boredom is a SIN in programming. If you want to fill that gap with a short, you may.



Please program the regular TCM features in your schedule:


* "Silent Sunday Nights" begins around midnight Sunday

* "TCM Imports."

* "TCM Underground" starts about 2am ET on Friday.

* "The Essentials" must start at 8pm ET on Saturday.


You can also program a celebrity Guest Programmer evening, or a Private Screening or any of the other occasional TCM features, but you aren't required to. Use what already exists at TCM; you may not create new ones. Dang, I wish Doris Day would consent to yadda...yadda... yadda.


Please remember this...you?re really trying to mimic the world of a TCM Programmer and there are some studios who have NOT leased their films outside of their own studio.



Tell us why?d you pick what you picked. We?re curious...we want to know why you think the way you think. List your schedule FIRST and then include your notes. We want to enjoy reading your schedule...the flow should be uninterrupted.



Please include the day, date, time, title, year, cast, director, studio, B&W or Color and the length of the film. You may omit the plot synopsis unless you are as comical as scsu in his posts. See examples:


Tuesday Oct. 1


6:00 AM Flaxy Martin (1949)

Cast: Zachary Scott, Virginia Mayo, Dorothy Malone. Dir: Richard Bare. Warner Bros. BW-86 mins.


2:00 PM Mildred Pierce (1945)?

Cast: Joan Crawford, Ann Blyth, Jack Carson. Dir: Michael Curtiz. Warner Bros. BW-111 mins.


Thursday Oct 22


11:30 PM Houdini (1953)

Cast: Tony Curtis, Janet Leigh, Torin Thatcher. Dir: George Marshall. Paramount. C-106 mins.



You may program seven TCM premieres for this challenge. Please note the premiere when you list your films.



At the conclusion of the contest, I will create a separate thread for voting. You don?t have to compete in the challenge to be able to vote, but you should be a registered member. I will, respectfully, not be accepting votes from multi-user named 'members.' This point is non-negotiable. In the event of a tie, the moderator, (little ol? guest programmer...me) will cast the deciding vote.


I am standing on the shoulder of GIANTS as winner and current host of the TCM PROGRAMMING CHALLENGE. Past winners/hosts have been: LZCUTTER, HLYWDKJK, MATTHELM, FILMLOVER, SUGARPUSS, FEDYA, ALLIEHARDING, MOVIEMAN1957, PATFUL and CHIPHEARTSMOVIES. A few of these folks have been so good, they?ve won TWICE!! That is astonishing!!




Here are links to the previous challenges:

Challenge #12 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=139071&start=150&tstart=0

Challenge #11 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?messageID=8155190

Challenge #10 ( http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=127551&start=30&tstart=495&messageID=8088572#8088572 )

Challenge #9 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=8046284#8046284)

Challenge #8 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=8013984#8013984)

Challenge #7 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7973260#7973260)

Challenge #6 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7934043#7934043)

Challenge #5 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7877675#7877675)

Challenge #4 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7847611#7847611)

Challenge #3 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7827881#7827881)

Challenge #2 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7794350#7794350)

or the original from the immortal Path40a

Challenge #1 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7781430#7781430)



The film libraries (with hyperlinks) for use in this Challenge are -


Warner Bros (pre-1948 only): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0026840/


MGM (pre-1986): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0020206/


RKO (all): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0041421/


Columbia Pictures (all) http://www.imdb.com/company/co0071509/


United Artists (after 1950): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0026841/


Samuel Goldwyn (all): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0016710/


J. Arthur Rank Film Distributors gb: http://www.imdb.com/company/co0027356/


Walt Disney (Live Action only): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disney_live_action_films


Public Domain list: http://www.archive.org/details/feature_films




WHAT IS A CLASSIC? That has been the stuff debates have been made of here at TCM City. Well, a classic is defined by many many people very very differently. Go crazy...go nuts. But there should be no film after 1969 included in this challenge. (I would say 1959...but dang it ?PSYCHO? - 1960).


* Guest Programmers and Private Screenings and Elvis Costello shows should have previously screened on TCM.


* In General Discussions>?The TCM PROGRAMMING CHALLENGE #13: LUCKY 13?

lzcutter posted: 5/2/2009 @ 2:18am):


Just from a real-life programming situation, TCMProgrammr seems to have more luck getting films from the pre-1948 than the post-1948 film library.


The pre-'48 library was part of the original Turner Film Library. The post-49 library has always belonged to Warner Bros.


As much as I love using the entire WBros catalog, I tend to think for authenticity sake, it should be the pre-'48 library rules.


Of course, any film from the post-'48 film library that has previously aired on TCM would be able to be part of a schedule without costing one of the 8 premiere spots.?


Folks, I?m new at this. I am NOT trying to re-invent the wheel. Please go by the rules you have always followed in this great Programming Challenge.


LonesomePolecat posted 5/2/2009 @ 3:39PM


?As a first time player, just need to clarify----if it has been shown on TCM it doesn't matter who owns it, we can show it anyway---the ownership thing only counts if its never been shown on before. and if it's never been shown on TCM before, but it's in one of the appropriate libraries, it doesn't count as a premier. right?? ChipHeartsMovies answer to his was ?right on all counts.?


Do what you?ve normally done in past challenges. I say, if it ain?t broke, why fix it.




Now the Challenge...The Challenge. What will be my challenge to you who've decided to participate.


In looking at past challenges I see some things you?ve been asked to tackle were to:


* Choose a holiday

* Program Franchise films

* Use the Zodiac - Horoscope

* Dedicated to Hollywood

* Create a DVD boxset

* New Concepts in Films

* Disability in Films

* The Seven Deadly Sins - Loved this!

* Movies You Love

* Time Travel

* Location! Location! Location! and Lucky 13


You don?t think I?m going to tell you NOW do you?! HA! Check back on September 30th.

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CineMaven --


I can't thank you enough for posting your rules. :)


I was on the fence, and more than a little concerned about the time it would take to prepare an entry. Because you so kindly made your intentions known so early, I see that I don't have to worry.


Although I have to admit I greatly admire the skillful way you snuck them in so they're virtually unnoticeable, I find your changes range from inane to onerous to unconscionable. Also, nothing in the world could force me to abet your apparent plan to turn the Challenge into a platform for whatever vendetta you're waging.


Thanks for showing your hand so soon! (and no need to say "you're welcome" because you've just earned the #2 spot on my "Ignored Members" list) :(

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capuchin, I regret you will not be taking part in the competition...but I do think you are being very mean and unfair to CineMaven to say the least. There have been a lot of pressures on the board recently, and it has affected a number of us, but C.M. is a lady who respects the integrity and history of the Challenge and will bring her own special dignity to it as she guides the Challenge along succesfully. It will not become a political arena.


Hosting a Challenge is not an easy job...I know because I have headed two of the Challenges myself, and often the one most challenged by making it run smoothly is the moderator.


I think if you keep an eye on this thread, you will find that your remarks were incorrect and hopefully you will withdraw them.

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I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that the rules are as oppressive as you suggest. Having hosted one the basic rules are more or less the same they have always been. The one point CM makes is that she will not be deterred by people who would choose to disrupt the thread and the challenge. And they are here.

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You may not see my message since you have me on <IGNORE> and that is a shame. I'm sorry you feel so strongly. I wish you would have articulated what exactly was:


* Inane


* Onerous


* Unconscionable.


I hope you change your mind. I hope that you do participate. I'm sure others measure themselves by you. If not, I'm hopeful that you'll participate in Challenge #15.


As for being Number Two...well, I always strived to be number one in whatever I did.


C'mon dude, join the Challenge.





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> {quote:title=Capuchin wrote:}{quote}

> Although I have to admit I greatly admire the skillful way you snuck them in so they're virtually unnoticeable, I find your changes range from inane to onerous to unconscionable. Also, nothing in the world could force me to abet your apparent plan to turn the Challenge into a platform for whatever vendetta you're waging.




I fear you are on to something, although I won't go into details here lest anyone should say there is any intent to disrupt the thread. But I do have reasons to believe innocent people who have nothing to do with whatever that was all about might end up being affected.


However, I have nothing against Miss Maven personally and I wish her success with the Challenge.

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Hey, nobody can call you #2 without a fight from me! :-)


I see nothing in your rules that fits Capuchin's description. I guess mine would have been intolerable, requiring any schedule not meeting each and every rule be sent back for editing. Rules is rules. I'm also a bit wary of posters registering the same day as their entries. Paranoid me.


I hadn't planned on participating this time, but if there's gonna be a brouhaha, I just might. I have tons of ideas, just not the stomach to face the nastiness/faux politeness. We'll see.

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Hey, nobody can call you #2 without a fight from me! :-) - Patful.


Why thank you kind Sir. Shall I call you Sir Galahad??


I don't think I can promise you a brouhaha, but you would do this fan a big favor by participating.


Folks...I made an error. Yup, in my excitement (and terror) at hosting this prestigious thread I made an error in Rule No. 4. Right now it reads:



Feature films generally start on the top, quarter, bottom, three-quarters of the hour. Prime-time features start at 8pm ET. Please allow enough time on your evening schedule to allow for INTROS and OUTROS for each film.


That rule should have read and is amended TO read:



Feature films MUST start on the top, quarter, bottom, three-quarters of the hour. Prime-time features start at 8pm ET. Please allow enough time on your evening schedule to allow for INTROS and OUTROS for each film.


If we're really to mimic TCM's programming...movies don't really generally...sort of...kinda, start around the hour. I'd go up and edit it in my original post, but it's after the twenty-four hour period.


Thank you.

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*"I see nothing in your rules that fits Capuchin's description."* - patful


I disagree.


*"Onerous"* - her formatting rules

No one has ever required a participant to post their schedule in a particular format. Listing stars and directors have never been required and additional "clutter" can make a schedule less easy to read. The only posting requirements were to start your day at 3:00/6:00 am and start "primetime" at 5:00/8:00 pm. Browse any of the past Challenges for examples of various posted formats and to see those that were easiest to read.


*"Inane"* - No "new" documentaries/specials

From the very first Challenge, participants were allowed to create "new" Private Screenings or any other special or documentary that would complement their schedule in a unique and valuable way. This was especially true if a documentary or special for a particular theme or star didn't already exist. "Original Programming" is a big part of TCM every month.


*"Unconscionable"* - No films after 1969

Libraries have been "off-limits" but a whole era of films have never been removed from consideration. That parameter flies in the face of how the TCM Programmers really operate. To forbid films that are a major part of the monthly TCM schedule removes the Challenge from being a realistic exercise in reflecting the actual programming process. As it stands now, it is as ungrounded in reality as the Cole Porter bio-pic *Night And Day*.


Programming Challenges should be constructed to stimulate creativity - not stifle it. Most of what I have read about the upcoming Challenge seemed like an admonition to "color inside my lines".



Kyle In Hollywood


Edited by: hlywdkjk on Sep 24, 2009 6:50 PM


Edited by: hlywdkjk on Sep 24, 2009 6:54 PM

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