SansFin Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 > MissGoddess speaketh: > I didn't know these were called "Lady Mondegreens", how cute! It is so very precious how the word came to be: Sylvia Wright believed one stanza of the Scottish ballad 'The Bonny Earl of Murray' was: Ye Highlands and Ye Lowlands Oh where hae you been? They hae slay the Earl of Murray, And Lady Mondegreen. She always believed the poor Lady Mondegreen was a great lady staying with her man unto death. It was tragic and poetic. She later learned the lines were: They hae slay the Earl of Murray, And laid him on the green She did not want to lose her tragic heroine so she memorialized her with a neologism. Is that not wonderful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SansFin Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 > CineMaven sayeth: > The imagery is very strong. It sounds like a romance novel. But truly...with so much much more depth. I thank you very much for the kind words. I have always written very technical reports. Capuchin is the writer of emotions and creating scenes in the mind. All I know of it is what I have gained by osmosis from him. It is still hard for me to write what I feel because I know I ramble when I am tired. It is very irritating at times because I will ask him to proofread and put into proper form and he will read it and do nothing because he says it is not correct but it is still right. Men! 'Can't live with them, can't leave their bodies by the side of the road.' is so very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 HA!! << ( SPIT-TAKE!! ) >> my dear. So very true. Again, really nicely written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 I LOVE the story of *Lady Mondegreen*. It is really much more interesting and tragic that way. I never knew that there was a name for these "substitutions". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Thank you for the story behind "Lady Mondegreen", I confess I had never read it or heard the expression before. Her experience mirrors some of my own movie-watching. I'm constantly getting names and faces confused, so I might be Silvia Wright's twin in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 > Besame Mucho! Favorited. :x Oh I'm so glad you loved it, Jackie! Nobody could beso like Rudy. Especially when his sad puppy face is resting on your hand after he kisses it. So sweet. "The pledge of Egypt" LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 SansFin, those Lady Mondegreens are killers, KILLERS! I can't stop laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 My pipes are leaking, I've got water damage on the carpet. The service man is coming tomorrow. I hope it's not Mitch Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Holy Smokes Bronxie!! Take Mitch Miller if he can stop the leak. Girl, I'm sorry!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SansFin Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 > kingrat sayeth: > I first heard it as "Just wash my sheets before you leave me." Did you think he did not want to be left with the wet spot? > Bronxgirl48 sayeth: > those Lady Mondegreens are killers, KILLERS! I can't stop laughing. I very much hope they are helping in some small way to set aside the tragedy of your home's disrepair. Some of my other favorites are: 'All of the other reindeer' becomes 'Olive, the other reindeer' 'Lead On, O King Eternal' becomes 'Lead On, O Kinky Turtle' 'Address me with your words' becomes 'Dressin' with the worms' 'Die, die, we all pass away' becomes 'Die, die, the old-fashioned way' Other Lady Mondegreens can be found at: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mondegreen http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/humor/mondegreens.asp http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1995/02/16/DD31497.DTL and other articles by Jon Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 I tried to get the service guy earlier because this is an emergency situation -- my downstairs neighbor knocked on my door to tell me his ceiling was dripping water and wanted to know if I knew anything about it. Unfortunately Mitch is coming Monday, not today, even though I TOLD them it was an emergency. Well, our building director came up and turned off my kitchen water, but he thinks something might also be wrong with the water heater. So, I have a BIG soaking puddle that is ruining my carpet, aggravating my fellow tenants, and will probably spout mold any second now. Since I need a new carpet anyway (this one has been in this apartment, I'm told, for over 20 years) it's probably a blessing in disguise, since now my landlady will HAVE to authorize me to replace the old carpet. But enough about this disaster, since I have another one: BETRAYED, with Clark Gable, Lana Turner, and Victor Mature. If this isn't the worst film of all three, then I don't know what is. Remember TOP SECRET? (one of Grimes and my favorite comedies) Well, as I'm watching BETRAYED, I'm rolling on the floor with laughter, and reminded of TS. When I looked on the imbd board after BETRAYED was over, a poster also thought it was similiar to TOP SECRET, and asked if anyone else believed it was a spoof of BETRAYED! Hahahahaha! I couldn't tell if BETRAYED was actually intended to be tongue-in-cheek, The Brits are very British, with lots of "The Gerries!" and "She's cracking good!" (whatever THAT means, but, they're referring to Lana Turner, so you can guess) Gable looks weary, is out of breath when he has to deliver some elaborate dialogue, and at times actually stumbles over a few other lines. He's a colonel in the Dutch army. They get an unflatteringly brunette, respectably-widowed but former party girl, Lana Turner, to spy for the Allies. She goes through rigorous training which she is successful at except jumping out of a plane. Lana is given glasses because she is supposed to impersonate a schoolteacher. Nazi Anton Diffring strolls into "her" laboratory and Turner correctly identifies animal species with long Latin names. He invites her to a little Gestapo get-together where she sits on top of a piano and sings (dubbed). In the meantime, the most ridiculous character is introduced, called "The Scarf", Victor Mature, who at one point tells Lana, "How do you like being Mati Hari? Just pretend it's a nightmare!" Mature is a rogue-ish, colorful Resistance leader whose favorite phrase of contempt involves something to do with cockroaches. He struts around like Errol Flynn, but without the charm. Mature seems in on the "joke" if we could just figure out what that exactly IS. At one point I actually thought Herbert Lom as Chief Inspector Dreyfuss would show up. Gable and Turner don't generate any of their past team heat; in fact, it's kind of a snooze. "Darling!" she calls Clark, but all the passion seems to have drained out of him. A traitor in their midst needs to be routed out -- who is it? Do you care? The script thinks it's being clever, but, you be the judge. I also must tell you that there is CALLIOPE MUSIC! BETRAYED is one of the best bad movies I have ever seen. I loved every minute of it! Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Jul 17, 2011 2:06 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 Lana's horrendous hairdo in BETRAYED Lana and her parachute: More of the heinous 'do: Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Jul 17, 2011 7:09 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Ash the fifties weren't kind to very many of our legends. My brand of poison last night was "BAND OF ANGELS." Oh boy. That was a rough watch. I'm at LaGuardia taking my sister to the airport. I'll tell ya when I come back. And it ain't pretty... Though Yvonne was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 No, this isn't a scene from BETRAYED, but, it almost could be: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 The trailer! Oh, it's so delicious! (even Hitler's portrait looks confused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxOVwv_zkaA Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Jul 17, 2011 7:39 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 I saw the trailer. I FEEL BETRAYED!!! Ack! It looks like a movie pretending to be a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 And the trailer for TOP SECRET! Not that much difference, lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-YHw1sqjL8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 JUMPIN' JEHOSEPHAT. I couldn't tell the difference between those two trailers, Bronxie except Gable has a moustache and Val Kilmer does not. *"BAND OF ANGELS.* Or How to Drop Your Jaw Without Even ReallyTrying...All That Hard." I had my television channel on *TCM* as I puttered around the house. (Robert Wagner has some strange line readings. Great voice, but is he comfortable)? I shared the night with the KING. Every time *CLARK GABLE's* name appeared in the credits it was as big and as tall and as reassuring as Mt. Everest. The King. "THE MISFITS" "MOGAMBO" "BAND OF ANGELS." But the angels put me over the edge I'm afraid. Yikes! Hopefully this movie was not trying to hearken memories of Gable's masterpiece. *(GWTW.)* It was a poor poor relation; or should I say a po' po' relation. No heart, no soul, no bigness, no epic-ness. The burning of Atlanta in this version is the burning of some plantation fields in a cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-their-Johnny-Reb-faces. Did Gable even kiss the lovely Yvonne DeCarlo with her "one-drop" blood. I needed something to concentrate on. Now to be fair, my beady eyes weren't glued to the screen throughout, so maybe I missed something. But I kept waiting for Gable to kiss her. I saw a couple of deep hugs, but I was looking for a kiss. Lily Munster is gorgeous, but fiddle dee dee, she ain't hardly no Scarlett, Miz Scarlett. When her lineage is discovered, her fortune turns for the worse, and she's sent down the river...to be sold in Louisiana where her fair skin will bring a might pretty penny for the despicable Ray Teal. Ugh! The thought of him putting his mitts on her causes her to try and hang herself. She fails and lives. I saw Juanita Moore in this film, looking very fetching and cackling at DeCarlo's fate, and a *Carolle Drake* who was Gable's mistress before Yvonne comes to the plantation. She was a knockout, but her francais, mam'selle left a LOT to be desired. (Carolle Drake was the real life wife to the late great Billy Eckstine and she's gorgeous). Gable pays $5,000 for the DeCarlo character and gives her free rein (up to a point), but doesn't make the moves on her. He's not really THAT kind of guy. He gives DeCarlo LOTS of room to maneuver in, considering the constrictions and racial shenanigans of the time. Perhaps it was when I was looking away, but I don't know why Gable let Patric Knowles get his grubby hands on Yvonne. And I'm not sure why Yvonne thought she'd have a chaste relationship with Knowles. Big mistake. Everything is pretty happy on the plantation. It's not Club Med but I didn't see any cotton-pickin' cotton pickers cotton picking. There were well scrubbed folks, with nice neat clothes. And things couldn't be THAT bad, b'cuz all of the slaves were singing at the drop of a hat. Instead of working, they were traveling en masse behind Gable's & DeCarlo's wagon. They were like a traveling Christy Minstrels, Mormon Tabernacle Choir and "GLEE" club all wrapped in muslin. Sidney Poitier is featured in "Band of Angels" and he's quite interesting to watch him maneuver in this world. He's Gable's right-hand man; educated, free to roam (almost) wherever he pleased. He was Gable's eyes and ears...tall, smart, proud, and with a lovely lilt in his speech. Oh yeah, he secretly hates Gable's guts; you know, the master/slave thing. There was an interesting moment when an old sea captain friend of Gable's (Torin Thatcher) visits. He reminisces about old times at sea. (Hmmm. Did they go on the Q.E.2?) He asks Poitier to sing a song. My jaw dropped at the voice dubbed for Sidney; a deep bass voice this side of Paul Robeson. His reaction to being asked to sing was a very subtle one of resignation, resentment and condescension. He puts on "the act." I was shocked and disappointed to see Gable slightly bobbing his head during this ditty; going along with this aural tap dance, tacitly being entertained. I also loved Poitier's scene with Character Actor Extraordinaire...William Schallert. Sidney's subtlety was genius. All manner of men want to possess Yvonne DeCarlo: and with good reason i.e., Rex Reason, Patric Knowles, and our old turtleneck-wearing friend: Efrem Hugh Marlowe Zimbalist Jr. I daresay even Poitier wants DeCarlo too, reminding her that her blood makes her just...like...him. (Nah, he doesn't stand a chance in hell, but while I had the sound muted I saw DeCarlo showing Sidney some cleavage by candlelight. What the heck was going on in THAT scene?) We've got slaves fighting for the Union side, but sabotaging the Union Jack's efforts to capture good ol' Gable. But I love and look for ye olde pretzel twist to ensure keeping our bi-racial couple apart. And it comes when Gable confesses to DeCarlo that he ran a dirty rotten ol' slave ship packin' folks in like sardines. "Now you hate me. And you should." Ah-ha. We finally get to the crux of the matter: *It's not YOU...it's me!* * I talked of it in "Lady of Tropics" Harry Belafonte's crazy abstinence in "The World, The Flesh and The Devil" and countless other films that are daring enough to touch the taboo topic of interracial dating. Hey, that can be a thread unto itself.* *I watched Gable last night. And yes, as I watched him late in his career I still found him dashing, manly, It.* *But "BAND OF ANGELS"....whew!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 First things first -- is anybody watching ROMEO AND JULIET? Leslie Howard and Norma Shearer look like they should be collecting Social Security. Not exactly love's young dream... My service guy wasn't Mitch, but a look-and-sound-alike of the rotund actor in FATSO who says to Dom DeLuise: "Did you ever take the jelly out of a jelly doughnut and stuff it with chocolate swirl ice cream?" He fixed the pipes, no more leaks, and tomorrow I'm expecting The Mold Man. Can't wait. Maven, I luuuurve your BAND OF ANGELS review! Er, weren't Yvonne and Clark "going together" off-screen, around that time? I saw this years ago and vaguely recall that the plot had some slight similiarities to RAINTREE COUNTY re: Liz's character. That is, I think. Oooh, what a fine bunch -- Rex Reason, Patrick Knowles, Sidney Poitier, and Efrem! Not to mention the King, who I saw last night in THE MISFITS. He should have won a second Oscar in my opinion for his Gay. Sidney's voice was also dubbed in LILIES OF THE FIELD. Terrific actor, but I guess he just couldn't sing, lol. Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Jul 17, 2011 2:20 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 Oh my gosh I almost forgot -- I SAW RUDY AT MY ITALIAN MARKET!! YES!! He was about 28, olive-skinned, wearing a goatee, slightly spaghetti-ed out in the face, sweet brown eyes, I practically swooned when the girl behind the bakery counter asked "Who's next?" and my Rudykins smiled at me and said to her, "I believe this lady is". I almost wasn't going to ask for what I really wanted -- two big fat pieces of chocolate ganache cake, but, I did, hoping he'd think I could afford the calories. I thanked him, took my box of goodies with a nonchalent, "I can eat anything I want" air, and confidentally sashayed my way towards the meat department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 I totally agree - Gable is brilliant in *The Misfits*. It's an Oscar performance. I have only seen the beginning of *Band of Angels*, but your review was lots of fun to read... and so was Bronxie's *Betrayed* review. Thanks, guys! I was hoping for a better film from Raoul Walsh and that cast... but oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 I'm at my Friday nite bar on Sunday to watch Women's final soccer match. Very exciting. Okay not as exciting as spotting, finally, a Rudy lookalike at your local grocer. So if I come down there I don't need to see the sites. I'll just hang out at those spots where you see the "celebs." He sounds like a cutie. Checking out the soccer match this is why I love film...the buildup to the match...even with no sound on the tv set, a series of montages showing our team and then the Japanese; scenes of Japan's recent tsunami and its devastation brought to Japan brought tears. You can create a tsory with pictures...create pathos. (By the way, the American team had a heartbreaking loss). Glad you liked the review. Yes I remember Liz going cuckoo for coco puffs with the mixed blood thing in "...County." I didn't know Gable and DeCarlo were an item. Surprisingly they didn't really generate any heat in "BAND OF ANGELS." All Sidney needed was singing lessons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 "I was hoping for a better film from Raoul Walsh and that cast... but oh well..." You can't win 'em all, Raoul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted July 18, 2011 Author Share Posted July 18, 2011 Is anyone else getting a headache from THE MALE ANIMAL? Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, Give me a break. And what is Hattie's name here, "Cleota"? Oy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Naaaaah. I'm watching CSI: MIAMI." ...And may I second that "OY." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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