BRONXGIRL'S MOTHER, HENRY FONDA'S HIRSUTENESS, ETC.

[CineMaven]

If TCM wants to get rid of this Message Board, why don't they just dump it instead of torturing us to death with all these non-working upgrades and picking us off one by one. I, too, saw the two boxes where responses can be typed in...only one box works. Ugh! Sickening. Oh well. Still some interesting threads and posters I look for in any event.

 

Niagara Falls. Slowly I turn. Step by step...inch by inch. And then I

[JackFavell]

Here's what I figured out yesterday -it's small, but it helped a little.

 

The reply box defaults to "Rich Text" what ever that is. If you click on "Plain Text", you can actually post things like pictures or quote someone. You still have to copy and paste their post from below, since there is no quote capability anymore.

 

They should have made it default to plain text.

 

That's it. That's all I've got.

[CineMaven]

Anybody who is willing to share Ricardo Cortez ( and ) Jack LaRue with me, well...I've gotta listen to.

 

(RIght now I am not seeing that double box I saw previously. WebAdmin fairies?)

[JackFavell]

I am not getting the extra box either, but I got trapped inside the quote box. I have no idea how I got out. I guess you can only post above the quote. To quote little Shirley: Oh...my... goodness!

> {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote}Anybody who is willing to share Ricardo Cortez ( _and_ ) Jack LaRue with me, well...I've gotta listen to.

> (RIght now I am not seeing that double box I saw previously. WebAdmin fairies?)

[CineMaven]

"Trapped In the Quote Box: Jackaaaaaaaaay In Wonderland."

 

Yikes! Scary. Well...let's read and write some good meaningful posts!

[JackFavell]

Did you see Dead Ringer with Bette? I am dying to talk about it!

[CineMaven]

:-( Oh Man Jaxxxxon...I didn't see it. I'm sorry. I taped maybe the last fifteen minutes in front of what I was really recording ("HOME BEFORE DARK"). I've seen it years ago, and know it's a hoot, but I didn't watch it the other afternoon. I read your comment (it was you, wasn't it?) about low-down, skurvy, rat-packin' cad, Peter Lawford getting his just deserts.

[JackFavell]

Oh, man, he was scurvy.

[SueSueApplegate]

Oooooh, Jackie. *Dead Ringer* is one of my favorites... Bette is a total hoot in this one. She gets to play two different women! That big huge dog, Duke, just chows down on Pitiful Peter....

 

"Bring out the De Lorca jewel box, baby.. or else.."

 

Duke gave him the "or else." That dog gave her role more humanity because Duke hated her

sister, but warmed to Edie.....and it also saved her from Gigolo Pete....

 

I loved Karl Malden as the ever faithful beau.....

 

Also, I think the female singer at her club was also the lady who sang Roly Poly in *Pillow Talk*.

[SueSueApplegate]

Oooooh, Jackie. *Dead Ringer* is one of my favorites... Bette is a total hoot in this one. She gets to play two different women! That big huge dog, Duke, just chows down on Pitiful Peter....

 

"Bring out the De Lorca jewel box, baby.. or else.."

 

Duke gave him the "or else." That dog gave her role more humanity because Duke hated her

sister, but warmed to Edie.....and it also saved her from Gigolo Pete....

 

I loved Karl Malden as the ever faithful beau.....

 

Also, I think the female singer at her club was also the lady who sang "Roly Poly" in *Pillow Talk*.

 

Doris Day sang a chorus of "Roly Poly" after the lady at the piano (Perry Blackwell). Then Blackwell sang "You Lied, You Dog," hence some sort of weird canine tie-in with *Dead Ringer*.....

[CineMaven]

"Doris Day sang a chorus of "Roly Poly" after the lady at the piano (Perry Blackwell). Then Blackwell sang "You Lied, You Dog," hence some sort of weird canine tie-in with Dead Ringer.."

 

SueX2

Can't wait to gab with you.

 

I LOVE that scene with the pianist at the club Rock and Doris were in. I love when she calls him a Hound.... < sigh! > I love "Pillow Talk."

 

Didn't Bogie and Glo-lo sit at a piano bar and canoodled before their world came crashing in in "In A Lonely Place." Ha! Another list for my boy Foxy Rey!

[JackFavell]

Hey Sue Sue A -

 

I loved every minute of *Dead Ringer!* Especially Duke! I'm so glad you know the movie, I was beginning to think no one but me had ever seen it.

 

DEAD RINGER SPOILERS

 

The movie had such a good set-up and storyline... twins again for Bette Davis. I thought the main idea was fantastic, the way it turns out that she traded one kind of hell for another, a worse one. I really HAD to find out what happened at the end and it only dawned on me later on how things twisted around to make matters far worse than the troubles she escaped. I liked her resignation and humor at her fate, the irony of it all. She took it like a champ.

 

I thought Karl Malden was out of this world, and that's high praise, because I don't usually care for his style. This is by far my favorite Malden performance. He toned his usual all out, full throttle down just a hair and was marvelous.

 

Bette was just plain great. The movie was almost all her reactions without speaking; trying to figure out how to deal with each situation she found herself in, trying to fit in in a world she never belonged to. A lot of it was simply Bette alone on the screen, and she was very natural, very powerful. I thought the scene with Margaret's dead body was fascinating. It's all filmed as a problem to be worked out. How DO you undress a dead body?

 

I have wanted to see this movie since reading Paul Henreid's autobiography and it was way better than I was expecting. He said that Bette enjoyed working with him tremendously.... I'd love to hear what Bette had to say about it.

 

Peter Lawford is tops in the sleazeball department.... his character was truly awful, and Lawford was either a really good actor who was able to get across an incredibly scummy side to his personality, or....

 

All I'll say is, he seemed pretty comfortable playing a total scumbag. I have to give him credit for playing the role perfectly. Ick. Loved his demise! It was very circular, the fact that Duke really loved Edith, in the end it all came around. The whole movie was like that.

 

The movie has a few slow moments, when Bette is trying to work out a sudden problem, like how to fake a signature at a moment's notice, but it works. It is still fascinating - a morality tale. Bette as Edith makes you hope that she could get away with murder, because she's actually the nicest person in the film. Except for the butler.

 

"Edith? She wouldn't hurt a fly."

 

Edited by: JackFavell on Apr 14, 2011 3:48 PM

[Bronxgirl48]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjN5HEZcsOM

[CineMaven]

Mon Dieu!!!!!

[Bronxgirl48]

"Toujours du suspense!"'

 

I love DEAD RINGER in any language, yet doesn't French give it that extra-special cache, lol? Didn't see it this time around, unfortunately, but remember Peter Lawford's character as a real dirt bag. I think I know what Jackie means about whether he's really acting. (this movie was made in 1964, and I'm speculating that post-Camelot Lawford was feeling pretty disillusioned and depressed) DEAD RINGER is like the Gothic version of A STOLEN LIFE. The more Bette, the better!!

[Bronxgirl48]

Lee Marvin is in RAINTREE COUNTY for about 5 minutes, it seems, lol, but there's just something about this actor that jumps out at you and captures your attention, no matter what kind of character he plays, no matter how long on screen. I love your RC/GWTW comparisons. The first scene in RC with Clift and Saint has him in the shadows, so I was depressed immediately, knowing the circumstances of these special camera shots. For the longest time I'd been avoiding RAINTREE COUNTY but not sure why.

 

I'm a bit loathe to admit this, since I love good trashy movies and Elizabeth Taylor, but for some reason I can't get "into" BUTTERFIELD 8 the way I feel I "should". Sad to say I cannot put my finger on why I don't think it's as satisfying as I'd like it to be. When I figure it out, I'll let you know.

 

I could kick myself for not recording SO EVIL, MY LOVE. Dang, dang, dang!!!! In the back of my mind I knew it was Ray's night, but somehow forgot this one was on the schedule, and blithely went off to work that evening stupidly unaware. Triple tarnation. I did see MINISTRY OF FEAR, not my favorite Lang, not by a long shot. I share the director's unhappiness with the script and that gad-awful "happy" ending. Plus, Marjorie Reynolds, a favorite of mine, has the most atrocious accent ever. Ruins everything. But at least there's icy evil Hillary Brooke. I fell asleep and woke up briefly to hear Milland (presumably in HOSTILE WITNESS) uttering a seven letter word in a weird accent.

 

Then this afternoon I was dozing and the Fox Movie Channel was on and there was Patrick O'Neal (one step up from Peter Lawford), Orson Welles, a practically unrecognizable to me Richard Boone, Lila Kedrova, Barbara Parkins (who for some reason I thought sounded like Joan Hackett) and....George Sanders, looking bored. Was hard to keep up with all the strange undercover espionage handles: The Highwayman, The Erector Set, The ****. There were several more.

Then I dozed again.

 

Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Apr 14, 2011 11:03 PM

[lzcutter]

*and there was Patrick O'Neal (one step up from Peter Lawford),*

 

Barb,

 

Spit Take!!!

 

And so true!

[Bronxgirl48]

Right? LOL

 

Just put them in cardigan sweaters, drinking martinis, next to a beautiful blonde, and you'd never know the difference, except that maybe Patrick would have some qualms if the blonde was married, and Peter wouldn't give a darn.

[SansFin]

I hope you will please pardon an interruption but I have just found a matter of interest for those of you planning to visit in France. The BBC has an online course which is free to help you learn French. I do not know how long it will be available and it is never too early to begin to lay a base. Being able to understand even just a portion of what people are saying without using a phrase book will remove some of the stigma of being a tourist and I believe it will increase your enjoyment many times over.

 

I do not believe you should try to learn to speak from such a course because there is no one to guide you or to correct you and a slight mispronunciation can mean a thing very embarrassing. I learned very quickly to use only simple words when I went to France after I had not spoken any French for more than twenty years. There is a video on the site named: 'Don't try this abroad!' which tells of some common gaffes and I can attest how easy it indeed is to mean 'I am warm' but to actually say 'I am randy'.

 

I hope this is useful:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/french/

[JackFavell]

God, I loved that french trailer - "Death Knocks Three Times"! Speaking french, I noticed how much Bette looks like Jeanne Moreau.

 

The mansion in *Dead Ringer* is the Doheny Mansion, which I think Lynn knows all about.

 

As for Patrick ONeal, I think he's one step DOWN from Peter Lawford...ugh! I can't abide him! It has nothing to do with his acting, just his looks and style... ewwwwww! He really is scurvy. I'd rather have seen Peter Lawford on Columbo anyway.

 

Sansfin - thank you so much for the french lessons! Fantastique!

[Bronxgirl48]

SansFin, "interrupt" any time, because all I can say is MERCI for this info! I love it!! My French grammar is atrocious and I hope to rectify this situation. By the way, I've also discovered the French Alps:

 

 

 

Even the summer tourists here seem relaxed and not the usual "If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium" crowd.

 

I found some new Italian Riviera places, too. The Liguria region -- bellissima!! San Remo,Montemarchello, etc. Ahhh....

 

Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Apr 15, 2011 12:54 PM

[Bronxgirl48]

HA!!!!! Now that you mention it, Bette DOES look like Jeanne Moreau, lol. I do love good old reliable Karl Malden (he can be classified as one of my beloved squares) as Jim. Why Edie ddidn't marry him right off I'll never know, but then there wouldn't be a plot. Did Karl ever have romantic luck in his movies?

 

I know what you mean about Patrick O'Neal. (and he always sounds garbled to me, like Tom Brokaw) For some reason I thought O'Neal was born in Canada; but turns out he's actually from Ocala, FLORIDA. Can you believe it? At least Peter especially in his MGM heyday, had aristocratic looks, charm, and a sense of humor Patrick always scowled. I found out this film was THE KREMLIN LETTER. I was shocked to discover it was Richard Boone as "Ward". He looked and sounded like David Huddleston for goodness sake. And I love Richard Boone, but this was not the Richard Boone I ever knew. I also remember Raf Vallone's voice (remember, I was dozing) and he was talking about nose hairs and ear fuzz. (I think this had something to do with the micro-management of O'Neal's identify re: his spying for the Russians.

 

Love the relationship between Brian Donlevy and Alan Ladd in THE GLASS KEY. They're more interesting than Ladd and Veronica Lake. On the twisted S&M side there's Alan and William Bendix. I get queasy just thinking about it.

[Bronxgirl48]

HA!!!!! Now that you mention it, Bette DOES look like Jeanne Moreau, lol. I do love good old reliable Karl Malden (he can be classified as one of my beloved squares) as Jim. Why Edie ddidn't marry him right off I'll never know, but then there wouldn't be a plot. Did Karl ever have romantic luck in his movies?

 

I know what you mean about Patrick O'Neal. (and he always sounds garbled to me, like Tom Brokaw) For some reason I thought O'Neal was born in Canada; but turns out he's actually from Ocala, FLORIDA. Can you believe it? At least Peter especially in his MGM heyday, had aristocratic looks, charm, and a sense of humor Patrick always scowled. I found out this film was THE KREMLIN LETTER. I was shocked to discover it was Richard Boone as "Ward". He looked and sounded like David Huddleston for goodness sake. And I love Richard Boone, but this was not the Richard Boone I ever knew. I also remember Raf Vallone's voice (I was dozing) and he was talking about nose hairs and ear fuzz. (This must have had something to do with the micro-management of O'Neal's undercover identity)

 

Love the relationship between Brian Donlevy and Alan Ladd in THE GLASS KEY. They're more interesting than Ladd and Veronica Lake. On the twisted S&M side there's Alan and William Bendix. I get queasy just thinking about it.

 

Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Apr 15, 2011 1:20 PM

[JackFavell]

> {quote:title=Bronxgirl48 wrote:}{quote}

> HA!!!!! Now that you mention it, Bette DOES look like Jeanne Moreau, lol. I do love good old reliable Karl Malden (he can be classified as one of my beloved squares) as Jim. Why Edie ddidn't marry him right off I'll never know, but then there wouldn't be a plot. Did Karl ever have romantic luck in his movies?

 

Neither Bette nor Karl had much romantic luck in the movies, did they? I thought Karl was sensational here... I really loved him... I can see why Edie hesitated with Jim... he was so nice, maybe just a bit too good to be true? I think she didn't think he would understand. And she didn't appreciate him until later, - all those things he did for her AFTER she was dead...see, we don't get to see how our loved ones would react after...but she pulled a Tom Sawyer, and got to find out.... older and wiser...and on her way to the chair, unfortunately. I really wanted Edie and Jim to walk away into the sunset together... but the movie ended just right.... on a great line.

 

 

> I know what you mean about Patrick O'Neal. (and he always sounds garbled to me, like Tom Brokaw) For some reason I thought O'Neal was born in Canada; but turns out he's actually from Ocala, FLORIDA. Can you believe it? At least Peter especially in his MGM heyday, had aristocratic looks, charm, and a sense of humor Patrick always scowled. I found out this film was THE KREMLIN LETTER. I was shocked to discover it was Richard Boone as "Ward". He looked and sounded like David Huddleston for goodness sake. And I love Richard Boone, but this was not the Richard Boone I ever knew. I also remember Raf Vallone's voice (I was dozing) and he was talking about nose hairs and ear fuzz. (This must have had something to do with the micro-management of O'Neal's undercover identity)

 

That's a movie I have put off seeing....but it makes me tremendously curious. I love George Sanders, but I'm afraid I couldn't watch it even for camp value.

 

> Love the relationship between Brian Donlevy and Alan Ladd in THE GLASS KEY. They're more interesting than Ladd and Veronica Lake. On the twisted S&M side there's Alan and William Bendix. I get queasy just thinking about it.

 

I do too! I really love Donlevy, even if he was a blankety blank so and so in real life. I think what I don't understand is the closeup on Ladd's glassy face every time Bendix made his little sadistic implications.... it's not the implications that make me squeamish, it's those darn closeups.... like the director is in love with Ladd's beautiful puss. He doesn't even give Veronica Lake that much screen time. Alice told me before she went to bed that she thought Lake looked like a pretty doll, then changed her mind and said she looked like a cat.... I think she hit the nail on the head.

 

Edited by: JackFavell on Apr 15, 2011 1:33 PM

[Bronxgirl48]

> {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote}

> Hey Laaaaaadies,

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> I don't want to interrupt the ongoing discussion here so I posted a couple of questions about Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? in "Rambles"....can some of you help me out? Bronxie, I know you know this movie and I finally made myself watch it all the way through (mostly), in Elizabeth's honor.

>

> HEY SWAMPY!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I understand Bette Davis and James Mason were set to star in the screen adaption. So then Bette would have been parodying herself during the "What's the name of the movie?" scene, lol.

 

Yes, Miss G., I've seen WAOVW many times over the years, but am still in ine dark about George and Martha. I recoil from those hateful emotions, but obviously something clicks for me because I find it all so, well, so entertaining nevertheless, and always have to watch it when it's on. I'm afraid my true lack of insight into human nature within the marriage bond would make any rumination on my part rather unfruitful in your Rambles thread, especially when everyone else is contributing more significantly.

 

I don't profess to know anything about Albee or the background of this work. I do think that the names of George and Martha might be significant in some primal Freudian way. (yes, I really do, lol) George and Martha are the 'first family" of our land, and represent not just a couple, but Mother and Father. Albee likes to play with Freudian slips: "I'll have another nipper of brandy", etc. Beyond this I'm lost, ha! I do think Richard Burton was robbed of an Oscar. Elizabeth exceeded all expectations, but Burton is truly brilliant. As much as I don't begrudge Scofield Best Actor in A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS, Scofield had the advantage of honing that role (possiby originating it?) many timies on stage, whereas Richard went into George "cold turkey" and was able to perfectly inhabit the bittersweet ironic poignancy and rage of the character. Burton professed he had an intellectual, scholarly, bookworm side to him, and this I think you can really see him tapping into with George. Also, Burton's cadences flow like fine wine (or bergun). He performs vocal mesmerism with that dialogue as the head gamesmaster of the evening. Did Arthur Hill play George (to Uta Hagen's Martha?) on Broadway? I just CANNOT imagine Hill delivering those lines with the same fierce, blood-dripping poetry that Richard brings to this part.

 

Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Apr 15, 2011 11:08 PM