CineMaven Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Spittle-mouth Matthews?!!! OH WoW!! That cracked me the heck up at two in the morning. (Just finished watching "BAD COMPANY" with Laurence Fishburne, Ellen Barkin and Frank Langella. Nice twisty crime drama. Ellen ain't a-scurd o' nuthin' I tell ya)!! But back to the past. The dreamy black & white past of Valentino. VALENTINO IN THE THIRTIES Hopefully he wouldn't have gone the way of Turhan Bey of the 1940's. I'm trying to think. We all know how unprogressive Hollywood was with the ethnic-type. He might've had to go the Latin Lover route. And it might've been hard for him to break out of that. Maybe he'd play the rich aristocrat type. He might not have gotten the girl. Those Gables and Bogies were pretty rugged. Kind of brutish. Would Rudy's fine features be considered rugged enuf? Horror? Nope. I don't think so. He'd have needed a really strong agent. Naaaah, he'd have to dump what was her name...June Mathis? She'd hafta go. Boyer. I'd like to think he could be like a Boyer. But you know really...things would really depend on his voice. What type of speaking voice he would have had to have. Deep & growly...mellifluous...what an intriguing thought. Rudy in "THE GODFATHER." Would Coppola have been smart enough to hire a legend? A very intriguing question Bronxie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 By the by... I often think of Harlow and Lombard and how their careers might've gone had they lived. Harlow with a pompadour...wedgies...thick shoulderpads. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 > {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote} > Spittle-mouth Matthews?!!! OH WoW!! That cracked me the heck up at two in the morning. (Just finished watching "BAD COMPANY" with Laurence Fishburne, Ellen Barkin and Frank Langella. Nice twisty crime drama. Ellen ain't a-scurd o' nuthin' I tell ya)!! Do you think Chris ever shuts up? Even when he sleeps? Ellen Barkin....I like her in DINER as Shrevies frustrated wife. What she's got to put up with. Daniel Stern: "Don't touch my records! Don't EVER touch my records!" That was, what? 1981, and I haven't enjoyed Ellen in anything since. She got hard and tough, and scared me away. > > But back to the past. The dreamy black & white past of Valentino. > > VALENTINO IN THE THIRTIES > > Hopefully he wouldn't have gone the way of Turhan Bey of the 1940's. I'm trying to think. We all know how unprogressive Hollywood was with the ethnic-type. He might've had to go the Latin Lover route. And it might've been hard for him to break out of that. Maybe he'd play the rich aristocrat type. He might not have gotten the girl. Those Gables and Bogies were pretty rugged. Kind of brutish. Would Rudy's fine features be considered rugged enuf? > > Horror? Nope. I don't think so. He'd have needed a really strong agent. Naaaah, he'd have to dump what was her name...June Mathis? She'd hafta go. Boyer. I'd like to think he could be like a Boyer. But you know really...things would really depend on his voice. What type of speaking voice he would have had to have. Deep & growly...mellifluous...what an intriguing thought. Oh, no, not Turhan Bey parts! Rudy as a high priest in one of those Universal Mummys feeding tanna leaves to Kharis...or as a love-sick, mad Erich von Stroheim-type ventriloquist with a dummy? How about Count Dracula? Would there even be a Bela Lugosi? (even though Bela played the part on Broadway in the late '20's) You uploaded that fantastic video with Valentino singing those two songs, and his voice sounds very deep and masculine, heavily accented. Would he have been given a voice coach? Could he even speak English? Those "emigre" comedies from about 1937 to 1939 were popular, he might have been a disposed nobleman helping Claudette Colbert with her complicated love life. Can you see him as Jo's Professor Baer in LITTLE WOMEN? Nah, neither can I. He could have done GASLIGHT instead of Boyer. "Paula, why do you do these things?" In the '40's, let me see...the suave criminal type with grubby underlings to do his dirty work? The Italian Paul Lukas? TOP HAT? You wouldn't need Erik Rhodes, maybe? The gigolo who romances Ginger to make Fred jealous? Not sure about the 1950's, but maybe he would have returned to his native country and done work with De Sica? Sophia Loren's randy, charming uncle or father or grandfather? A roguish relative of Marcello? YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND VALENTINO? > > Rudy in "THE GODFATHER." Would Coppola have been smart enough to hire a legend? I'd like to think Francis would have. > > A very intriguing question Bronxie. Thanks. Ah, yes, what might have been... Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on May 23, 2011 3:13 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 > {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote} > By the by... I often think of Harlow and Lombard and how their careers might've gone had they lived. Harlow with a pompadour...wedgies...thick shoulderpads. Those two are such a product of the thirties in my mind, I can't see them during the war years or beyond. Now, I could see Lombard with '40's styles, but definitely not Jean! > > :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Do you think Chris ever shuts up? Even when he sleeps? HA! Naaaaah.He's talking right now. Ellen Barkin....I like her in DINER as Shrevies frustrated wife. What she's got to put up with. That was, what? 1981, and I haven't enjoyed Ellen in anything since. She got hard and tough, and scared me away. ...And very very rich. I've never seen the film. You've given a great synopsis of ev'ry emigre that ever played a role in Hollywood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 _Bronxie_ - Rudy would have made a much more sophisticated and suave Don Corleone, I can see him playing with a pinky ring while smoothly giving out favors - strong and cold, he would have been a handsome looking father to Al Pacino. _Maven_ - thanks for pointing out the Tough Guy discussion to Moira. I hope the packing is done with, and you are all set. Maybe Valentino would have fallen into the roles that Alexander D'Arcy played, or Francis Lederer - though I too would hope that he would have created a persona for himself more like Boyer's, without taking away any of Boyer's roles, that is. Or maybe he would have fallen into Joseph Schildkraut and Henry Daniell's line...smooth cold sophisticates with a cutting line and a pool of uneasy issues underlying. Personally, in thinking of the possibilities, I am sad that he was not able to achieve some autonomy in choosing his roles, one wants him to break free and really show himself - I think he would have been shrewd enough to make very good, literate choices. But in the end, maybe it's best that we never see him get old or lose that grace and beauty, and we can dream of the future ahead of him, what it might have been. _Moira_ - I've been watching *Tough Guy* clips on youtube all weekend! I didn't get a copy of the movie, darn it! but I have been dreaming that Joseph Calleia would kidnap me.... then take me out to the woods to hunt berries and sing. I totally see the correlation between Jack LaRue and Calleia - I think I even mentioned that *Tough Guy* had the same plot as *No Orchids for Miss Blandish*, except with Jackie in the role of Miss Blandish. Calleia's totally magnetic. He's like a flame. I want to fly right to him. My eye goes to him in every scene. I hate it when the camera is placed behind his head, or cuts to Rinty. I love it when someone crosses him and he slaps them around, quickly, with no fuss. Then he smiles that little smile. He's all strength and power, but there is a sensitive fellow who's been damaged underneath. I find him almost intellectual compared to the other gangster types in films. He's smarter than anybody, but he was very passionate when he pleaded with the cops to let him go in to save Jackie, saying that they didn't care about him but he did. I fell like a ton of bricks. He's very lean in Tough Guy, furtive and unshaven, which I find attractive. I'd like to smooth his furrowed brow. I also watched *Public Hero No. 1* on youtube, and he is hard, like a diamond. he never relents for one minute in that movie - he plays a Dillinger type with Chester Morris as his buddy. I would have liked one scene in which he breaks a little, right after he forces half sister Jean Arthur to walk out on him. I swear they shot that scene, but cut it out, leaving him completely emotionless, glacial in fact. He still conveys something deeper, unknown...a sickness. He makes you wonder how he got that way. Arthur's nickname for him in that one is ridiculous.... Dinky - just like Jackie Cooper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 Folks! Folks! I just read that June Mathis saw Rudy in EYES OF YOUTH, 1919, and was so impressed that she cast him in his breakthrough role in THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALPYSE and then the rest was history, so I actually found the complete YOUTH on YouTube. It's 9 parts, a semi-interesting silent, and Rudy is introduced as "Clarence Morgan, cabaret parasite" LOL!!! And you immediately can't take your eyes off him! You wonder, amid all the pallid, scrawny, ineffectual guys in this story, who IS this charming well-built devil with the sardonic grin and fur-lapelled coat who seems to leap off the screen with startling reality? (his hands are so beautiful too, as he locks the door...He's wearing a pinky ring, but it doesn't look tacky) Watch him set a trap for Clara Kimball Young, his graceful, sensuous, sinuous body language, moving panther-like towards her with smarmy and subtle, perversly gleeful intent. The role might be artificial, but Valentino is not. Regarde towards the end of part 6 and all of 7. Star quality! We should be grateful to June. Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on May 23, 2011 1:56 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Oooh, thanks for that link - I'm going to try and watch EYES in the next couple of days, but my daughter is coming home early tomorrow so I'm not sure if I can get to it. By the way, I don't know if you care, but Netflix just got a whole slew of Brit films in - *To Paris With Love* and *The Card* with Alec Guinness, and a bunch of 40's comedies and noirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 Don't worry, "Clarence Morgan" will definitely wait for YOU, ha! I'm sure you're better looking than Clara Kimball Young, lol. I'm not really into Netflix but I think I've seen TO PARIS, WITH LOVE many years ago. Isn't there a very funny scene of Alec playing badminton? I've never heard of THE CARD! Just looked it up and it sounds good to me I'm always on board with director Neame and Glynis Johns. I would hope Valerie Hobson isn't playing another frosty upper-class bee-itch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Can you imagine her as anything else? I can't remember the badminton scene, but I remember Guinness' line to his son - when asked if he ever got kissed in Paris, he says, "Yes. On both cheeks. By Charles De Gaulle." !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 > {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote} > Can you imagine her as anything else? LOL, no. > > I can't remember the badminton scene, but I remember Guinness' line to his son - when asked if he ever got kissed in Paris, he says, "Yes. On both cheeks. By Charles De Gaulle." !!!! Love it! Ah, the British. Even Billy Mumy got more action -- with Bardot in DEAR BRIGITTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 >Love it! Ah, the British. Even Billy Mumy got more action -- with Bardot in DEAR BRIGITTE. Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Watching "ANDY HARDY'S DOUBLE LIFE." My word, ESTHER WILLIAMS makes quite a splash in her screen debut. She is positively gorgeous right off the bat. I wonder if Cecelia Parker thought her career was passing her by just being stuck in Carvel. There's something kinda Lana-ish about her. Robert Blake is a little kid in this movie. William Lundigan is a big strapping blonde hunk. But it's Mickey Rooney's show all the way. And he's a natural. As Andy, he's led by his hormones all the time. Dear boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Esther looked gorgeous, didn't she? That longer hair style, she reminded me of Ava or Ann Sheridan, just a little...lots of oomph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 The continuity was so off in this Andy Hardy film. You've only to look at the wet...dry look of Mickey's hair. HA! Where's Angela Allen when you need her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 It's funny, I've seen this before but what with TCM spotlighting her I'm getting a lot of her in one fell swoop. Yes, her longer hair was very becoming and her poise was great. She almost could have become that icy statue like Alexis Smith played but Esther's too happy...healthy. It was quite the image seeing her swimming underwater with her hair loose and not Vaselined within an inch of it's life. A wonder Tarzan never --swam-- ran into her on one of his adventures. She might be worth jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge for...and give Jane some REAL competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 > {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote} > Watching "ANDY HARDY'S DOUBLE LIFE." My word, ESTHER WILLIAMS makes quite a splash in her screen debut. She is positively gorgeous right off the bat. > > I wonder if Cecelia Parker thought her career was passing her by just being stuck in Carvel. There's something kinda Lana-ish about her. Robert Blake is a little kid in this movie. William Lundigan is a big strapping blonde hunk. But it's Mickey Rooney's show all the way. And he's a natural. As Andy, he's led by his hormones all the time. Dear boy. Esther looked like she could eat Rooney in one big bite. How sensual was that kiss she plants on Andy? Woo-woo indeed! Cecelia did look as though she were waiting for John Garfield to stop off at Carvel and spice up her life. All of a sudden I'm getting warm for Lewis Stone. He and Sam Hinds float my boat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFIl5UR8s9w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 Were you guys able to watch my links to EYES OF YOUTH yet? You must check Rudy out! I was busy and didn't get to see FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALPYSE but I'll watch it this week-end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 > {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote} > > > > > > > I also watched *Public Hero No. 1* on youtube, and he is hard, like a diamond. he never relents for one minute in that movie - he plays a Dillinger type with Chester Morris as his buddy. I would have liked one scene in which he breaks a little, right after he forces half sister Jean Arthur to walk out on him. I swear they shot that scene, but cut it out, leaving him completely emotionless, glacial in fact. He still conveys something deeper, unknown...a sickness. He makes you wonder how he got that way. Arthur's nickname for him in that one is ridiculous.... Dinky - just like Jackie Cooper! Rudy wouldn't have had to stuff tissues into his mouth to play Don Corleone, either! OMG, I just saw PUBLIC HERO #1! Joe is terrific! What a plot, loved those twists, lol. I'll bet you went crazy with the first shot of him snoozing in the jail cell with a smile on his face -- because he was thinking of YOU! Then he bops Morris on the noggin to shut him up, HA!! I just knew Chester's character wasn't what he appeared....gee, three weeks in solitary, now that's dedication. (reminded me of the Cagney-O'Brien relationship in WHITE HEAT) I totally believed Jean Arthur as Maria Theresa O'Reilly. "Dear little Dinkie, always ready with a dirty word and a push in the face". And then there's perpetually soused doc Lionel Barrymore, playing a banjo: "Did you ever hear this little ditty? It's from India in 1850 during the cholera epidemic". Calleia is the stand-out. His acting style is so subtle and economical. Love him at the Bijou, his laughter at the vaudeville act ALMOST makes him seem human. I was thinking of you as he ran his eyes up and down the blonde Jane sitting next to him. But what he did to Mose was unforgiveable -- right in the back, too, cold, so cold. "Why, Mr. Sonny...." I was fascinated with Joe's performance, and also wanted to find out what made him tick. But I guess he was just the bad seed in that family... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 Marion Hardy is supposed to be a year or two older than 18 year old Andy in ANDY HARDY'S DOUBLE LIFE, right? So why is she still getting an allowance?? Doesn't she work?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 "Were you guys able to watch my links to EYES OF YOUTH yet? You must check Rudy out!" I haven't had a chance yet to watch it Bronxie. I want to though. "Marion Hardy is supposed to be a year or two older than 18 year old Andy in ANDY HARDY'S DOUBLE LIFE, right? So why is she still getting an allowance?? Doesn't she work??" Marion did have a job in a recent 'Andy Hardy.' She was a secretary. But I suspect her "job" was to wait to get married. Esther looked like she could eat Rooney in one big bite. How sensual was that kiss she plants on Andy? Woo-woo indeed!" What a way to go. Yes, I saw that. Very. The woman in red dancing is Frances Gifford. "Cecelia did look as though she were waiting for John Garfield to stop off at Carvel and spice up her life." HA! "All of a sudden I'm getting warm for Lewis Stone. He and Sam Hinds float my boat." I'm drawing the line here. Keep your hands off of my Sammykins!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 > {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote} > "Were you guys able to watch my links to EYES OF YOUTH yet? You must check Rudy out!" > > I haven't had a chance yet to watch it Bronxie. I want to though. You have to get through just a bit of dull melodrama but it's worth it when Valentino appears. Remember, it's where screenwriter June Mathis took her first good look at him and knew he'd be a STAR. > > "Marion Hardy is supposed to be a year or two older than 18 year old Andy in ANDY HARDY'S DOUBLE LIFE, right? So why is she still getting an allowance?? Doesn't she work??" > > Marion did have a job in a recent 'Andy Hardy.' She was a secretary. But I suspect her "job" was to wait to get married. Yeah, you're right, ha! I guess she didn't have to learn about responsibility. I'm sure the Judge and "Mother" told her, "Don't worry, dear, if you need extra money, we'll give it to you every week, and then your future husband will support you". > > Esther looked like she could eat Rooney in one big bite. How sensual was that kiss she plants on Andy? Woo-woo indeed!" > > What a way to go. Yes, I saw that. Very. > > > > The woman in red dancing is Frances Gifford. Heavens to betsy, what's the picture where Esther is in a red dress, with tousled hair and an incredibly sexy pout? She puts most if not all of the major Hollywood sex symbols to shame in those clips. > > "Cecelia did look as though she were waiting for John Garfield to stop off at Carvel and spice up her life." > > HA! Judge Hardy: "Andrew, where is your sister?" Andy: "Gee, Dad, I don't know. Last time I saw her, she was talking to that good-looking gas-pump jockey with the itchy feet" > > "All of a sudden I'm getting warm for Lewis Stone. He and Sam Hinds float my boat." > > I'm drawing the line here. Keep your hands off of my Sammykins!!! We're fighting over two Judges, lol -- Hardy and Thatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 "You have to get through just a bit of dull melodrama but it's worth it when Valentino appears. Remember, it's where screenwriter June Mathis took her first good look at him and knew he'd be a STAR." I gotcha Bronxie. I'll keep that in mind. This begs the question, WHO saw Rudy to even put him in that movie in the first place. "Yeah, you're right, ha! I guess she didn't have to learn about responsibility. I'm sure the Judge and "Mother" told her, 'Don't worry, dear, if you need extra money, we'll give it to you every week, and then your future husband will support you.' Look, put your mindset back into the 1930's, 1940's. What did a man need... someone to cook the food, clean the house, rear the kids. What responsibility did a woman have to learn. Marion was cute enough...came from a good family...and her dad could fix a parking ticket. BINGO! JACKPOT!! What MORE does she have to do? "Heavens to betsy, what's the picture where Esther is in a red dress, with tousled hair and an incredibly sexy pout? She puts most if not all of the major Hollywood sex symbols to shame in those clips." Well...that was definitely an eye opener. I've never seen Esther Williams look as luscious as she did at 1:57. Yup! She's up there with the best of the glamor girls...and makes Healthy look Sexy. "All of a sudden I'm getting warm for Lewis Stone. He and Sam Hinds float my boat." I'm drawing the line here. Keep your hands off of my Sammykins!!! "We're fighting over two Judges, lol -- Hardy and Thatcher." You're good Bronxie. You pulled the name Judge Thatcher outta your hat! I'm impressed. But ya still can't have my Sammy Hinds. By the by...I just saw Susan Sarandon do a "Got Milk?" commercial on HGTV. If you want to see what sexy Sixties looks like...check out Sarandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Poor Marion. They didn't have John Garfield at MGM. In fact, they didn't even have a John Garfield TYPE at MGM. I've been wracking my brains to think of some sexy bad boy over there, and I can't come up with one. I think Mickey was the baddest boy they had! lol.... sad, isn't it? Garfield would have completely corroded the morals of all those cute, healthy girls like Esther at MGM, and Louis B. just couldn't let that happen. Garfield got to MGM once, I think, in Tortilla Flat... and they had to make him foreign. As for *Public Hero No. 1*, I thought you'd like Lionel! As for me, I'll stick with Joe. sigh.... he's so coldblooded, I want to warm him up. He thrills me, and you're right...that scene in the jail cell sends me. I got my ridiculously expensive copy of *Tough Guy*, and it was worht every penny. I love this movie! Moira is right...within five minutes I was bawling... Jackie's dad is a banker or something very Captain's Courageous, and he won't let Jackie keep Rinty. So they run away. His dad never does anything with him, and so Jackie turns to Joe. It's no wonder Joe went wrong, he had a dog once when he was a kid but somebody poisoned him! Of course it was only a matter of time before he turned to a life of crime. Poor Joe, I wanted to hold his hand, wipe his brow and whisper a tender, "There. there..." to him. When Joe accidentally shoots Rinty he feels so overcome with remorse that he takes them to German vet Jean Hersholt to fix him up. The best part is when Jackie goes to help Rinty after the shooting, and Joe tells him, "No, no! You have to be careful with dogs not to get water in their ears.....let me do it" and he tenderly washes Rinty's neck wound. Its only a matter of time before he's singing in the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 Hey, guys, before anything else I have to mention RUDY, RUDY, RUDY, ROOOOOOODY in FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE!!!!!! ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODY! ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOODY! THE MANY FASCINATING SIDES OF ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOODY! As seductive playboy tango dancer! As sweet considerate mama's boy! As ardent, smitten, one-woman lover! (who WINKS at the audience while assuring Alice Terry that nothing "bad" will happen to her if she comes to his studio! i.e. I respect her, folks, but can I keep my hands off this lovely creature?? He plays with his new image!!!!) As devoted brother! As conscience-stricken, loyal father's son, and patriot! As unshaven, dutiful, love-sick, gorgeously unshaven soldier! (Brad Pitt, George Clooney, et. al, eat your pallid hearts out) Who cares about Conquest, Pestilence, War, and Death? We want ROOOOOOOOODY!!! And Rudy's monkey!!!!! No, no, I mean, a REAL monkey! Be back later, I'm all verklempt now..... Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on May 31, 2011 5:31 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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