BRONXGIRL'S MOTHER, HENRY FONDA'S HIRSUTENESS, ETC.

[JackFavell]

Re: *Night Train to Munich -*

 

I loved Rex here! I even loved his singing (if it was him) which was good. If it wasn't him, it was a perfect match. Very unusual...I generally dislike him on sight, with the exception of Major Barbara and The Ghost and Mrs. Muir. But he looked GREAT in NAzi uniform - he had a very Prrrrussian thing going on - he looked like Earle Fox! And his humor was great. It was actually a remake of The Lady Vanishes, meant to capitalize on it's popularity.

 

I was so happy when Charters and Caldicott showed up.....brilliant as always!

 

I had a brief hot spell watching Paul Henreid with his undershirt all ripped. Ooh -la-la!

 

He was fascinating, I loved that Carol Reed made him so loose and messy - he was actually beautiful, his hair tousled, not all slicked down. Who knew he had such a nice chest.

 

I loved that he was jealous of Harrison, conflicted as you say, between duty and Margaret Lockwood.. He was wonderful. Reed gave him so much, and it made the movie much more exciting not knowing if he was going to go all good or not. It's such a shame that he couldn't have worked with Reed more, instead of ending up such a stuffed shirt. It's odd to find him with a multi-layered character.

[CineMaven]

Silly me, I get weak in the knees when I think of "SPIN AND MARTY" even though I probably wouldn't have been allowed to go to that camp. It looked like fun for us kids.

 

"Getting ready for 'THE HOUSE ON 92nd STREET' and 'NIGHT TRAIN TO MUNICH', both of which I've never seen."

 

Saw thirty seconds of "...92nd STREET" as I passed the living room to go into the kitchen at my parents'. I saw some woman b*tch-slapping a man in a chair. Whoa baby! What the heck is that? But didn't want to see the whole thing. Looks like I missed sumthin'. Again. (Typical).

 

I also saw just a moment of "...MUNICH." --Joan-- Margaret Lockwood sitting across a lovely barbed wire fence opposite Paul Henreid when a Nazi comes and busts up their cozy concentration camp tete-a-tete. When Henreid rises up, did you see his chest? (Yes Jackaaaay, I also saw your comment). Whoa Daddy!!! Maybe Ilsa Lund didn't make a mistake. I doubt Rick had that chest. But they?ll always have Paris, I guess.

 

"I'm trying to get through 'ABOVE SUSPICION', but it's tough going, Connie Veidt and Basil, yay! But Fred MacMurray and Joan Crawford as a married couple spying during their honeymoon? Snooze."

 

Ha! I could never get through it; but Bronxie, did you ever think that spying might have been a better alternative for Fred than fulfilling his husbandly honeymoon duties with Joanie? Just a thought.

 

"...I have a male friend, however, who thinks she's hot but 'bug-eyed', and therefore can't look at her face for long periods of time, ha! (by the way, what happened with her and Tim Robbins? I thought they were a devoted couple)."

 

I dunno. Your friend might be missing out, but to each his own. Guess he won't be giving Syvia Sidney a tumble either. I'm not sure what happened between Sarandon and Robbins. I think he cheated. I still hold out hope for Goldie and Kurt.

 

"Because of his 'swarthy' Latin looks, Rudy had been playing villians and 'oily' lounge lizard types since around 1914 I think, so he was cast in 'EYES OF YOUTH' almost as a matter of 'routine' probably, as he fit the bill for that particular character. But it took June Mathis to see something more in that performance, star quality!"

 

I see, Bronxie. In Hollywood, it really does take people with vision to get things going. There were a lot of hacks out there. But there were also some fantastic visionaries, thank goodness. Thank goodness for US!

 

"Oh gosh thank you -- I wish I was June Mathis discovering, mentoring, and writing screenplays for Rudy. However, their relationship (until second wifey Natasha drew Valentino into her greedy pretentious shallow clutches) was almost like mother and son. Which might be an interesting fantasy scenario for a decidedly non-platonic coupling, lol. 'I'll be the mommy tonight and you be my dutiful soldier...' "

 

OMG girl...you are incorrigible. And I lerve it! Your bawdy sense of humor is a breath of fresh air. And again, your writing...so top notch. I'm just trying to keep up with you! Now...back to the matter at hand...your new book: "COUGARS IN HOLLYWOOD: THE EARLY YEARS." When's the book's release date? I don't want it on a Nook, and I want loads of pictures!!! I also want my very own autographed copy! Gable also had two (much) older wives when he first came on the scene. Ohhhhhh, the things those boys had to do to get their careers going. But see how women are different...we have the marital casting couch.

 

"Bobby Jordan, LOL, molo really nailed his blubbery persona, didn't he?"

 

I always thought Bobby was the cutest --Bowery Boy--, --East Side Kid--, Dead End Kid. (though there's something about Satch...) Nah, there's nothing about Satch, but I had a warm place in my heart for the rough hewned, shock of hair Billy Halop. But no one holds the place of my cutie pie: Gene Reynolds. (TCM, get Gene at your third film festival!!)

 

"...But he certainly did an unequalled job at screen love-making that I really don't think can be matched. Look at this, open mouthed kissing and your serreptitious breast fondles."

 

Ooooh honey, please. I saw the video. I loved how smoooooooooth his moves were. He certainly had lovely-busy-feathery-persistent hands. Think some guys could take a lesson. In fact, come to think of it, I haven't seen a good love scene in movies these days in ages! And why wouldn't Rudy get into it with these lovely (young) leading ladies. Didja check out his wives? Imagine being an actress with Rudy? Ha! These gals just got the right to vote in 1920 and now they're kissing Valentino. I kinda think Louise Brooks would have eaten Rudy alive! (...or to death).

 

Please check him out here, folks:

 

 

He's so natural and looks so easy. (And at 2:18 those muscles!!) But it's his eyes that burn right through me, a lifetime later. The women around him might have metrosexualized him, hence his screen persona, but in this YouTube clip I hope you watch, you can see him more candidly natural. Bronxie, you have officially and formally brought him to the forefront of my mind. And more and more, I think TCM ought to either feature his films one night on the channel, or play him up BIG at the third film festival as only TCM can...posters...books...experts...fans... and films.

 

TCM is just the outfit that can do it. They're editing is top notch with a beautiful marriage of clips, music and narration. They're wonderful at TCM. Here's the ad campaign:

 

"VALENTINO's BACK...AND TCM's GOT HIM!!"

 

Yeah, done before...but still good!

 

May I ask your indulgence one more time since you're our very own Maria Montez McGraw: Queen of the Roooooooodies, to check out this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdSznRNCA7o&feature=related

 

Now, there's no surreptitious fondlings here, just plain old hand kissing, but I'm also checking out the ladies' reaction. They can?t ALL be acting. Look at the actress at 00:16 seconds. She ends the kiss with him in the most contemporary of ways. Aaaah Rudy. He's just a woman's plaything. < Sigh! > Rudy's look did indeed spawn George Raft, Jack LaRue, Eduardo Cianelli's and ol' Jakob Krantz's dark shadowed eyes and slicked back black hair.

 

"I just found out Valentino was an excellent cook. Picture it: a night of love, then he gets up and makes spaghetti carbonara. No weight gain, if you know what I mean."

 

I'm picturing it. And I'm hungry. Please tell me he's wearing just an apron. It will help. Oh, I love pasta...too.

 

* * *

 

Hi there JackaaaaAaaay:

 

"I don't think that we'll ever see such sheer physical perfection as Valentino again. His body is perfect, his face even more so. He was an anomaly in the space time continuum, given to us only once to marvel at years later. That he could act makes him even more rare. Soulful. Soudade."

 

I'm lovin' Rudy now that my 'eyes' have been blasted open. But can I just squeeze a thought in there for Looks. What about Errol Flynn or Tyrone Power? Power's face and dark burning eyes are mesmerizing and that dark dark black hair. Okay okay, he might not be sensuous, but he is utterly Perfect to look at. Now Errol Flynn was gorgeous; beautiful in fact. I mean he was an absolutely beautiful-looking man. And sexy to boot. Can they get some consideration in the scheme of things?

 

"Your man Dick Powell is in 'It Happened Tomorrow' on TCM right now - a Rene Clair movie... and I love the tone. I've seen part of it before, and really enjoyed it.... the scene where he first sets eyes on Linda Darnell, he's actually sexy. I wish I had recorded it...I meant to but forgot in the rush to get my daughter to school."

 

Hold up...wait a minute...Dick Powell sexy? Impossible. My my, you were in a rush. ;-)

 

Edited by: CineMaven on Jun 2, 2011 2:06 PM

[JackFavell]

I just finished *The Four Horsemen.* Whew! What a great last line....

 

*"I knew them all..."*

 

or it should have been. Rex Ingram (pictured below) is reeeeeally tough going for me. But he was good looking! His pace is snail like. But he had something to say and did it well. This reminds me of the German silents I have seen. Ponderous, but well done. Point taken, Rex.

 

 

Which leads me to say that for me, Rudy was the whole thing. It lagged when he was not on screen. It was a pleasure just to watch him! Of course, it doesn't hurt that there is no one even remotely as beautiful in the film as he is. When Alan Hale is the next best looking guy in the film, and Wallace Beery a close third.... well...nuff said. The German cousins were revolting. But Rudy really was the only sympathetic character, he was wonderful.

 

That sly look to the camera is positively electric, Bronxie! even more than his extended fondle of leading lady Alice Terry's breast and his lingering caress of her lips with his mouth. I'm repeating HOLY SMOKES! How did he get away with that????? it was _1920_.

 

Watching the movie - which seemed to go on forever when Rudy wasn't there - gave me time to think that Rudy would have made a superb Jay Gatsby. Maybe I am crazy, but I couldn't get this out of my mind. He was born to play it. I believe that the role in a silent version would have totally been his for the taking, the cynical bemusement, the wealth and crazy partying with him looking on alienated, his shady background (his darkish complexion would have added more mystery), the deep and romantic longing for Daisy, her semi-betrayal.... I could see it all before my eyes. He would have been remembered forever as the definitive Gatsby. Why oh why did he have to go in the year right after it was written?

 

Edited by: JackFavell on Jun 2, 2011 2:03 PM

[JackFavell]

>I also saw just a moment of "...MUNICH." Joan Margaret Lockwood sitting across a lovely barbed wire fence opposite Paul Henreid when a Nazi comes and busts up their cozy concentration camp tete-a-tete. When Henreid rises up, did you see his chest? (Yes Jackaaaay, I also saw your comment). Whoa Daddy!!! Maybe Ilsa Lund didn't make a mistake. I doubt Rick had that chest. But they?ll always have Paris, I guess.

 

You slay me! Paul Henreid had a GORGEOUS chest. I'd like to see him rise up....again and again.

 

>I'm lovin' Rudy now that my 'eyes' have been blasted open. But can I just squeeze a thought in there for Looks. What about Errol Flynn or Tyrone Power? Power's face and dark burning eyes are mesmerizing and that dark dark black hair. Okay okay, he might not be sensuous, but he is utterly Perfect to look at. Now Errol Flynn was gorgeous; beautiful in fact. I mean he was an absolutely beautiful-looking man. And sexy to boot. Can they get some consideration in the scheme of things?

 

Ty is beautiful, but doesn't do a thing for me. Errol is perfection, but in a more jaunty way.... I still think Rudy is as close to perfection as is possible, he's just so pleasing.

 

I was looking at photos of him, and I am telling you, there isn't one bad picture of him anywhere (but I'm warning you all, there seem to be some really bad viruses attached to his photos out there. My computer kept stopping to remove the bugs. SO BE CAREFUL).

[CineMaven]

Oooh, Rex was good looking, wasn't he. I can't say I'm totally familiar with his work.

 

I like your idea of Rudy as GATSBY. They had him blonde with Robert Redford and Alan Ladd. But your vision of a silent version of "GATSBY" sounds wonderful. I like how you can transplant ideas like that. Vision. That's what's missing today. Very nice commentary, JackaaaAaaay.

 

You and Bronxgirl are single-handedly bringing Valentino's persona to the forefront. I hope someone at TCM is listening...and reading!

 

"You slay me!"

 

...And in a good way too! Thanx! I'm here ev'ry nite folks!

 

"Paul Henreid had a GORGEOUS chest. I'd like to see him rise up....again and again."

 

:x Mmmmm.

 

"Ty is beautiful, but doesn't do a thing for me. Errol is perfection, but in a more jaunty way.... I still think Rudy is as close to perfection as is possible, he's just so pleasing."

 

I hear ya Jaxxxxon. You're certainly making a case. Pleasing. Yeah. So many ways to take that.

 

"I was looking at photos of him, and I am telling you, there isn't one bad picture of him anywhere (but I'm warning you all, there seem to be some really bad viruses attached to his photos out there. My computer kept stopping to remove the bugs. SO BE CAREFUL)."

 

Thanxxx for the warning. Rudy's ghost! Well, I say we start a campaign for more Rudy on TCM. Bronxie asked Frank Grimes what he thought of Valentino. I think she's cruisin' for a bruisin'. Guys don't really dig him. Rudy's OUR plaything.

 

To quote Bronxie: "Roooooooooooodie!"

 

Edited by: CineMaven on Jun 2, 2011 2:28 PM

[JackFavell]

Mmm...Tango Kisses.

 

I love the way he lets his lips trail against a woman's hand..... at the end of his kisses. Sensual.

[CineMaven]

I got a thrill the way that lady kissed him and brushed his cheek with her hand. You can't act that. Oh, and I liked how Rudy kissed the hem of the nun's habit. He must be electric. She felt it through the fabric.

 

He's got the touch, by golly!

[JackFavell]

> {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote}

> I got a thrill the way that lady kissed him and brushed his cheek.

 

from Camille - its so sexy - he really seems ardent, doesn't want to let go of that kiss.

 

Bronxie says he's modern, and I agree, even his lovemaking. In The Four Horsemen, he's strikingly natural when left to his own devices. There's the occasional pained look, but generally, he's more believable than any other actor in the film. He's supposed to be careless at the beginning, and he does it to perfection. It's lovely here, but I think that's a modern trait that has just gotten to the point of ridiculous nowadays.

 

And how Rudy kissed the hem of the nun's habit. He must be electric. She felt it through the fabric.

>

> He's got the touch, by golly!

Oh yeah! It was a nurses uniform, not nun garb, but what a thought.......even a nun couldn't resist him.

[CineMaven]

Oooooh, yikes! That wasn't a nun? Sorry. Let me do three "Hail Mary"s and one "Oh, Rudy!"

 

Wait, I'll do one "Hail Mary" and ten "Oh Rudy!"s.

 

Yeah....that'll work just fine.

 

Girl can you imagine we're talking about a movie star...a man that was gone before our parents were even born? Ha! Look how far back we've got to go, waaaaaay back for the sexy guys.

 

Edited by: CineMaven on Jun 2, 2011 3:10 PM: Oh...husbands, lovers, partners and Significant Others not included.

[JackFavell]

To me he seems newer and more exciting than a lot of men today. It's refreshing to find a man who's all about the woman, though I can think of a couple sexy men on the boards here who think only of their gals.... they may be all that's left in this modern world.

[CineMaven]

What a lovely compliment.

[Bronxgirl48]

Maven and Jackie, I am thrilled that you have discovered Valentino in the same way I have! I want to re-post this video, because it haunts me. His face changes, he's a chameleon, and it doesn't just seem to be the variety of roles. He's world-weary, cheerful, pensive, seductive, playful, shy, and utterly irresistible. Sure, he's a fine, underrated actor, but there's something not quite so simple about Valentino, on or off screen. He's complex. The last shot of him looking straight at the camera done up as the Sheik fascinates me, because he looks like a lost puppy (and that is NOT the character) and we can really see how young (and vulnerable) he was at the time (25) Because in some of his roles he seems so much older, more mature. In the photo where Rudy is wearing a cap and a glowing smile, he looks like he could have played that young guy from the original GODFATHER, you know, the actor with the heavy Italian accent on the hospital steps with the flowers who tells Michael (after the Don is shot) "These are for your father. I am Enzo, the baker!"

 

 

 

Jackie, I love your Holy Smoke icon!!! An icon for an icon of the screen. I think the Hays Office really went into high gear after 1922, when Hollywood got (unduly) fed up with all the scandals going around, culminating in the one with Fatty Arbuckle, (whom I read Valentino stood by as a loyal friend) and preceded by the William Desmond Taylor murder, Mary Miles Minter, Mabel Normand, Wallace Reid's drug addiction, etc. The Legion of Decency was on their behinds. So I'm guessing Rudy had to tone it down with the ladies after that year, although I'll have to do, ahem, lol, a thorough review of his films to see if this is true.

 

When I saw Paul Henreid's chest and pits in NIGHT TRAIN TO MUNICH, I nearly had a heart attack. Not that they were the best chest and pits I've ever seen, but for Paul to be so gloriously exposed like that, woo-woo!

 

Will get back to your posts re: Valentino after tonight's monster extravaganza. Oooh, Godzy is coming!

 

Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Jun 2, 2011 10:37 PM

[Bronxgirl48]

Maven, you have got to see THE HOUSE ON 92nd STREET.

 

Signe Hasso and Lydia St. Clair.

 

This is all I will say.

[JackFavell]

Gone all day tomorrow, see you in the evening.... I expect some Valentino chatter to catch up on when I get back!

[CineMaven]

WAAAAAH!!! :-(

[JackFavell]

Don't cwy! I'll be back at about 5 or 6.

[CineMaven]

< Sniff! > Okay. I'm going on strike till then.

[JackFavell]

NOOO! I want to read some sexy stuff on here when I get back!

[Bronxgirl48]

> {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote}

> Gone all day tomorrow, see you in the evening.... I expect some Valentino chatter to catch up on when I get back!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're worth waiting for. Don't worry, I'll have lots of hot Roooooody er, on HAND.

[Bronxgirl48]

Scientist to newspaperman Burr: "What's he like, Steve?"

Ray: "Big and terrible".

[CineMaven]

Was he talking about Wallace Beery?

[Bronxgirl48]

SPIT TAKE!

 

 

Two scientists discussing Rodan:

 

"How could Rodan exist if he is extinct?" -- "Good question"

[CineMaven]

Wassup, Tiger Lily? How're things in Boca Rodan?

 

MAN: "Guards hurry! There's a monster here."

 

Everyone's lips move like Edgar Bergen's. And anyone in a kimono will not be able to run for it. What a wing span!! And look at the pits on him.

 

If the Japanese built such flimsy structures that can't take an extinct monster, then I don't know what!

 

Funny thing is my mom took my sister and I to see this in the movies when it came out. Wait, that might not be so funny.

 

AARP-Maven

[Bronxgirl48]

> {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote}

> Wassup, Tiger Lily? How're things in Boca Rodan?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sipping green tea to put myself in the mood.

>

> MAN: "Guards hurry! There's a monster here."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HA! It got kind of poetic at the end, didn't it? "They sank to the earth like weary children...." How touching.

>

> Everyone's lips move like Edgar Bergen's. And anyone in a kimono will not be able to run for it. What a wing span!! And look at the pits on him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

****! I don't think Paul Henreid could compete.

>

> If the Japanese built such flimsy structures that can't take an extinct monster, then I don't know what!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They feel quite close to their creatures, unlike US. Fay Wray didn't even realize that Kong was PROTECTING her.

>

> Funny thing is my mom took my sister and I to see this in the movies when it came out. Wait, that might not be so funny.

>

> AARP-Maven

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not laughing, because my mother was born BEFORE Valentino died. How old does that make ME??

 

Don't ask.

[Bronxgirl48]

THE VALLEY OF GWANGI later on, with Mr. Novak!

 

I had such a crush on James Franciscus.