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I think the point of THE ENCHANTED COTTAGE is they're both less than perfect in society's eyes, but they validate each other. In that regard, it's a classic love story with wide ranging appeal.

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4 hours ago, Moe Howard said:

But unless I'm mistaken she isn't the one suffering. She's accepted or is content with her station if life. It's him that is suffering self pity and in seclusion from family. If the power of love can outshine his disfigurement in her eyes, does she have to be homely? Cant a pretty girl see him for what he really is just as easily?

 

Gosh no, Moe! Don't you know that pretty girls are almost always shallow?! 

;)

All kidding aside here though, haven't you ever noticed that it seems exceptionally pretty girls/women quite often don't seem to cultivate as outgoing a personality or sometimes as nice a speaking voice as girls/women who aren't blessed with being knockouts?

(...well, I have, anyway)

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Whenever I see an actress whose looks were minimized for a screen role, it is then that I think of them as their most beautiful.  Olivia didn't strike me as plain in the least in THE HEIRESS; just extremely shy (and of course verbally abused by her father.) Also, when she starts to recover from her mental breakdown in THE SNAKE PIT, she is sans make-up and looks very beautiful to me.

Dorothy Malone in THE MAN OF A THOUSAND FACES looks very pretty when she returns after a suicide attempt to try and regain a relationship with her son. She hardly has any make-up on at all.

I think the person who surprised me the most was Lady Gaga in A STAR IS BORN. With her natural hair color, very little make-up (and normal clothing 😄), I thought for the first time she is a pretty lady.

...Something about Wendy Hiller: I just love her perfectly arched eyebrows and she couldn't hide them no matter how plain the role called for her to be!

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8 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Too many blame their self esteem issues on everything but themselves:  that is why its a self esteem issue and a hard nut to crack.   

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1 hour ago, Dargo said:

Gosh no, Moe! Don't you know that pretty girls are almost always shallow?! 

;)

All kidding aside here though, haven't you ever noticed that it seems exceptionally pretty girls/women quite often don't seem to cultivate as outgoing a personality or sometimes as nice a speaking voice as girls/women who aren't blessed with being knockouts?

(...well, I have, anyway)

Who are we trying to kid Dargo, as long as they know where the kitchen is who cares what they look like.....

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8 minutes ago, Moe Howard said:

Who are we trying to kid Dargo, as long as they know where the kitchen is who cares what they look like.....

LOL

Yep, as that old song went, Moe...

"If ya wanna be happy for the rest of your life..."

;)

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On 5/15/2021 at 6:44 AM, Roy Cronin said:

Wow!  I really, really disliked this exercise in Woke Cancel Culture.

It tries much, much too hard to scold and lecture us, to which I immediately respond negatively. 

Conflating women with disfigured faces with overweight women messes up the attempt at virtue signaling.  Fat equates to acid being flung at one's face?  Pick a problem to gripe about.

Men are bashed.  Racism is injected.  (Can't help but inject GWTW yet again as a problem,  can you TCM whine-babies?"   Perhaps it needs to pick one issue and explore it intelligently.  Isn't there a "garbage" thread where this could be discarded.  How aggressively fake, phony and fraudulent. 

I reject this entire pathetic,  amateurish scold.  

Alicia, however, is gorgeous and I love her accent.

I am boldly agreeing with  you, Roy.

And didn't like FATSO being squeezed into this politically correct pack-up.

 

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Why does TCM feel they have to address body image issues by showing what is clearly a form of child porn masked in the form of Indie Foreign Art filth?  I am ashamed at you and the depth

of your grotesqueness in this era of the Epstein scandals.

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21 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Too many blame their self esteem issues on everything but themselves:  that is why its a self esteem issue and a hard nut to crack.   

For many, low self esteem is a learned behaviour, typically learned in childhood. Adulthood, maturity comes when realizing you are the only one in control of your own life. You have to realize all that was taught you about "not being as good/deserving" is what they think, not what YOU think. Once an individual takes responsibility for themselves, they can break that cycle of low self-esteem.

So yes blame is in order, but in the end it's your personal responsibility to grow up & out of it.

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7 hours ago, ThomasAlanGardner said:

Why does TCM feel they have to address body image issues by showing what is clearly a form of child porn masked in the form of Indie Foreign Art filth?  I am ashamed at you and the depth

of your grotesqueness in this era of the Epstein scandals.

Yeah, why not address body image by showing our domestic child porn grotesqueness! 

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12 hours ago, Swithin said:

There will always be a place for Ayllene Gibbons.

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I always wondered what her name was! She seemed the go to lady whenever they needed a fat lady in a film in the 60s. (MFL; Taming of the Shrew etc....)

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I'm thinking this thread is about Fat Girl, a French language film shown on TCM late night, with a couple of scenes of underage sex. At least the age stated of the girl was 15. Much, but not all, of it happened off-screen, with merely reaction shots from the sister of 12 who shared the bedroom.

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3 hours ago, TikiSoo said:

For many, low self esteem is a learned behaviour, typically learned in childhood. Adulthood, maturity comes when realizing you are the only one in control of your own life. You have to realize all that was taught you about "not being as good/deserving" is what they think, not what YOU think. Once an individual takes responsibility for themselves, they can break that cycle of low self-esteem.

So yes blame is in order, but in the end it's your personal responsibility to grow up & out of it.

Thanks.  And I'm tired of those parents who, back in the late '80's, through the '90's and still now who think they can BUY their children's self esteem.   And those others who pound their children with so many "you're special's"  and how great they are that the children don't really develop a sense of self esteem, but forge a higher level of self centeredness.

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I think TCM should alert viewers ahead of time when a filthy film will appear.

That way filthophiles like myself won't miss it. 

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25 minutes ago, Millenniumman said:

Maybe he's talking about Precious who is 16 in the film there's a rape scene.

I didn't watch that one, but wikipedia confirms. It also mentions this activity was a lifelong abuse known to the mother and became the source of almost all their drama and tension.

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Precious though had a lead who was in her late 20s when the film was made, older than her character. Fat Girl had an underage lead, and was made by Catherine Breillat, who has made some of the most controversial and explicit films of recent decades.

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14 hours ago, ThomasAlanGardner said:

Why does TCM feel they have to address body image issues by showing what is clearly a form of child porn masked in the form of Indie Foreign Art filth?  I am ashamed at you and the depth

of your grotesqueness in this era of the Epstein scandals.

Can You Enumerate which film(s) You Are (Specifically) Speaking Upon Here ?

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45 minutes ago, Vautrin said:

I think TCM should alert viewers ahead of time when a filthy film will appear.

That way filthophiles like myself won't miss it. 

ME TOO! Sorry I missed it! :D

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36 minutes ago, Millenniumman said:

Maybe he's talking about Precious who is 16 in the film there's a rape scene.

If that's the film, I wont miss it then! I recorded it! :D

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