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9 hours ago, Bronxgirl48 said:

Agree.

It ain't fittin', it just ain't fittin'!

To me it is similar to employees of a supermarket chain lecturing on the harmful effects of junk food, yet much of the store's business is selling unhealthy items. You can't have it both ways.

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13 hours ago, TopBilled said:

That is your opinion. 

Yes, but, I'm correct.  It is not *at all* hypocritical to exhibit a film while also being cognizant of how it is problematic.  I have a copy of "Triumph of the Will" on DVD.  It's an important movie!  It's brilliantly shot and presented!  It's also a teensy bit problematic.  Anyone who can consume a work of art at above the level of a small child should be able to make this distinction.

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4 minutes ago, Vidor said:

Yes, but, I'm correct.  It is not *at all* hypocritical to exhibit a film while also being cognizant of how it is problematic.  I have a copy of "Triumph of the Will" on DVD.  It's an important movie!  It's brilliantly shot and presented!  It's also a teensy bit problematic.  Anyone who can consume a work of art at above the level of a small child should be able to make this distinction.

Sorry I don't think you're correct. Not interested in a childish argument with you. Take care.

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On 5/27/2021 at 2:26 PM, TopBilled said:

I agree that on some level the hosts have a certain amount of sincerity (most of them) but they were picked for these jobs because of their liberal sensibilities.

Where did you get that idea?

It seems to me the hosts were chosen because they speak well & photograph well, they are inviting. All of them are in the entertainment field and simply look at TCM hosting as just another gig/promo/job. It makes sense they may have some input (refusing to say THIS/THAT) only to protect their careers outside of TCM, but seems a big leap to state they were hired because of their politics.

On 5/27/2021 at 2:26 PM, TopBilled said:

As for today's younger generation, I think some of them stay away from classics not because of political correctness but because they don't like films in black-and-white. A bigger hurdle to overcome.

Agree here 100%. I'm hoping this latest wave of filmmakers who studied & loved the classics bring interest & acceptability of those old B&W movies to younger generations. Gosh, Bogdanovich was trying back in the mid 70's to gain acceptance of B&W. 

I'm not a big fan of over-analyzing, but I did kind of like seeing the grouping of these movies in this BODY IMAGES ON FILM series. 

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2 hours ago, TikiSoo said:

Where did you get that idea?

It seems to me the hosts were chosen because they speak well & photograph well, they are inviting. All of them are in the entertainment field and simply look at TCM hosting as just another gig/promo/job. It makes sense they may have some input (refusing to say THIS/THAT) only to protect their careers outside of TCM, but seems a big leap to state they were hired because of their politics.

None of the hosts have identified as conservative. So I think it's a fair assumption that they were hired because of their liberal politics, or that they keep their jobs because of their liberal politics. It's easier for them if they "fit in." A conservative host would have trouble functioning under TCM's current management and political hierarchy. My opinion.

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On 5/28/2021 at 12:07 PM, Sepiatone said:

Sure.  And around these parts, we call it "DEE-troit"  and not "De-TROIT."    And then there's(as most natives call it) "NAWLINS LOOZY-ANNA."  ;)   But then, I come from a state that calls "MACKINAC" as "MACKINAW".  But we do have a Mackinaw City.  :blink:  HOUGHTON LAKE(and the city too) is pronounced "HO-ton", and we smirk whenever a transplant or out-of-towner pronounces it "HOW-ton". ;)   My favorite is an avenue called  CADIEUX.   Pronounced how?  Why;  "CAD-JEW"  of course!  ;) 

Sepiatone

I always liked that Gratiot Avenue in Dee-troit was pronounced GRAT-chut.

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8 minutes ago, MrMagoo said:

I always liked that Gratiot Avenue in Dee-troit was pronounced GRAT-chut.

Or, more often---

"Grashut".   with a "short" A.  ;) 

Sepiatone

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On 5/29/2021 at 12:43 AM, Dargo said:

LOL

So Bronxie. Do ya do any other impressions than Hattie McDaniel???

Ya know, I can do a pretty darn good Gable when I want to, TOO!

(...although I've never been able to quite perfect my Leslie Howard)

;)

 

Leslie Howard is easy -- (in any film) just prop an arm up on the nearest mantlepiece, then press a palm to the side of your face while philosophizing about life.

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20 hours ago, TopBilled said:

I think it's a fair assumption that they were hired because of their liberal politics, or that they keep their jobs because of their liberal politics. It's easier for them if they "fit in."

Wow-I'd certainly hate living in that world. Have we become such a judgmental society that even our jobs rest upon our purposed political beliefs? Somehow I think you're making an assumption on that point, it seems rather extreme.

I suppose it's not much better than being judged by our appearance-although being neat, clean & professional is as far as that judgement should go. But I recall posters here saying they didn't like host Alicia Malone because of her hair & wallpaper back ground. 🙄

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The film I am ranting about is "Sweetie" from 1989.  Watching an adult Italian man **** just before entry to a 15 year old girl while the little sister cries in the corner is just too much.  Everything was display and for one I

 

didn't like it.  Call me a prude...

 

 

On 5/19/2021 at 12:04 AM, ThomasAlanGardner said:

Why does TCM feel they have to address body image issues by showing what is clearly a form of child porn masked in the form of Indie Foreign Art filth?  I am ashamed at you and the depth

of your grotesqueness in this era of the Epstein scandals.

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On 5/27/2021 at 1:23 PM, BingFan said:

You may be right, although I see it differently.  I think you're certainly correct that, these days, anything that has the potential to become divisive will probably end up that way.

I just don't see that the TCM hosts are saying what they do about these issues just to please supporters (i.e., viewers).  Politicians do that kind of thing all the time, but with the TCM hosts, I think we're hearing what they actually think here, and would probably be thinking even if they weren't TV hosts with viewers.  I know that I'm ascribing a level of sincerity to them that I have no proof for, but I guess they have enough credibility with me that I'm willing to assume sincerity in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

There are plenty of people today -- possibly including many younger people -- who just wouldn't watch some of these movies because they sincerely believe that the "problematic" issues ruin them.  I see the TCM hosts telling those folks why these same movies are still well worth watching.  True, the viewers with different attitudes or experiences (probably including me) may not need to be encouraged to watch these movies, and may be more willing to excuse (or entirely overlook) issues that seem obvious to the people who are sensitive to those issues.  

I never would have thought about MARTY being about (or, especially, endorsing) "body-shaming."  To me, the movie does just the opposite, portraying a lead character who thinks of himself as "fat" and "ugly" but showing that he's really one of the nicest people you could meet.  I was going to add "despite his outward appearance," but even in saying that, I can see that I'm assuming that his appearance is somehow a flaw.  Believe me, I'm not particularly sensitive to that kind of issue, and probably wouldn't have thought much about it, except that TCM raised it and we're now discussing it.  At the same time, I'm happy to get a different perspective on the movie, even if it's not what I'd be inclined to focus on myself.  And I still think MARTY  is a terrific movie, one that I hope a lot of people who haven't seen it will watch.

I Personally See (and Hear) A LOT of "OLDER" (Bit of A Subjective Spread There); Multiple OLDER People Who (Simply) Wont Watch Gems Because.. ...Some (VERY) Complex. Intertwined Issues (At Times) Turn THEM Off, Respectively...

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A +Year Ago i.. Suggested to my Mum She Watch Cloud Atlas..

 

 

...She Unfortunately Didnt Even Fully Make It thru the First Full Story.. ...Within This Transcendental Film Before She Was (More or Less) Fidgeting and Looking For the "Exit" (Remote),.

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