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Every source I've found says this caricature (the gent in profile you see sitting at the table) is of Don Ameche, but I say it's supposed to be George Brent. What say you?


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18 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

They even got Powell’s bulbous Adam’s apple. 
I think their C. Aubrey Smith is a little too virile looking though,

(Although if he heard me say that I’m sure C. Aubrey would challenge me to some bareknuckle fisticuffs or whip out his blunderbuss or something....)

Yes, there he is! (Tracy) I knew I saw him somewhere! Too tedious to scroll through all of that.....

Sorry, I quoted the wrong post!

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On 7/16/2021 at 9:16 AM, LornaHansonForbes said:

is it maybe CESAR ROMERO?

I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time getting past THAT MAUVE EYE SHADOW on CARTOON CLAUDETTE and CARTOON NORMA (as if either WOULD EVER!)

I see it and I am reminded instantly of this:

 

Romero was seen dancing with someone.....

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1 hour ago, Sepiatone said:

Sorry to do this(NOT! ;) ) but I'm throwing ANOTHER Brian into the fray!  ------

https://search.aol.com/aol/image;_ylt=A0geJaOEQvhg7UgAKTJpCWVH;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzIEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj?q=brian+donlevy&v_t=wscreen50-bb

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Well Sepia, I WILL admit that there's a little more of a resemblance between Brian Donlevy and to our mystery man here than there was/is to Brian Aherne, anyway.

(...still stickin' with my Brent Theory here though)

 

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5 hours ago, TikiSoo said:

The above is a Hirschfeld drawing ^^^

 

I thought so too when I posted it, but then I noticed no "Nina". 

According to this . . . 

https://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2013/03/car-toon-cha-cha-cha/

 . . It's a self portrait.

"His (Cugat's) caricatures are spare and assured, reminiscent of those of Al Hirschfeld."

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1 hour ago, Dargo said:

Well Sepia, I WILL admit that there's a little more of a resemblance between Brian Donlevy and to our mystery man here than there was/is to Brian Aherne, anyway.

(...still stickin' with my Brent Theory here though)

 

Yer determined to go down with that ship ain't ya cap'n?😂

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18 hours ago, Moe Howard said:

I thought so too when I posted it, but then I noticed no "Nina". . . It's a self portrait.

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WOW! thanks for that link! Above is a self portrait album cover-what a talent! ^^^

I will always credit Cugat for discovering the incredibly talented Charo, who many see as a joke. She is actually an incredible guitarist & I was lucky enough to see her perform live.

(BTW, not all Hirschfeld have "Ninas") 

 

 

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On 7/20/2021 at 4:36 PM, LornaHansonForbes said:

I think their C. Aubrey Smith is a little too virile looking though,

(Although if he heard me say that I’m sure C. Aubrey would challenge me to some bareknuckle fisticuffs or whip out his blunderbuss or something....)

Look out! He's got a cricket bat!

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5 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

There's no doubt about who the few "stars" in this 'toon are.  ;) 

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Yeah, I think I recognized most of 'em in it Sepia, but who were those four guys who pop out of Krazy Kat's piano supposed to be???

(...they LOOK familiar but...)

;)

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17 hours ago, sewhite2000 said:

Are Ninas always blatantly easy to notice? Is it conceivable some of you haven't looked diligantly enough?

Maybe not as easy to notice as Raquel's   Sophia's or Marilyn's,  ;)   but bound to get SOME attention!?!   

Nina's  WHATS by the way?  :unsure:   :D 

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20 hours ago, Dargo said:

Yeah, I think I recognized most of 'em in it Sepia, but who were those four guys who pop out of Krazy Kat's piano supposed to be???

(...they LOOK familiar but...)

;)

I thought I was movie experienced enough to recognize the big-mouthed guy going "...hhhheeeEEEYYY!", but well...nobody's perfect.  😊

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2 minutes ago, Polly of the Precodes said:

Haha. And nobody asked, but the stuttering emcee is Rosco Ates.

I THOUGHT he was one of Daisy & Violet Hilton's husbands from Freaks (1932)!   (I just didn't want to, y'know, be the guy that asked.)

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And now, can anyone here name all the people circled around Krazy Kat as he dances away in the center of them during the finale?

(...the YouTube clip is set start at this moment in the film and after you click on it)

 

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I can only make out Laurel and Hardy(of course) and the Marx Bros.  Jimmy Durante, Eddie Cantor but others there are hard to make out, and not sure who the cowboy is.  Maybe Mix or Rogers?(Buddy, that is) 

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4 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

I can only make out Laurel and Hardy(of course) and the Marx Bros.  Jimmy Durante, Eddie Cantor but others there are hard to make out, and not sure who the cowboy is.  Maybe Mix or Rogers?(Buddy, that is) 

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Yep Sepia, I'm pretty sure the guy with the cowboy hat was supposed to be Tom Mix. 

(...and I'm also pretty sure the guy at 9 O'Clock in that circle was supposed to be Chaplin)

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53 minutes ago, Sepiatone said:

Maybe it's Chaplin, maybe not.  One would reckon he'd be drawn too with his signature derby and cane.  And ED...

Which do you reckon is Lloyd?

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I also think that that's supposed to be Harold Lloyd, and at the 8 o'clock position of that circle, Sepia.

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2 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

Maybe it's Chaplin, maybe not.  One would reckon he'd be drawn too with his signature derby and cane.  And ED...

Which do you reckon is Lloyd?

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Yep. Dargo had it. The one wearing the straw boater.

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Edit- There seems to be two with straw boaters. Lloyd's the one at 8:00 next to Chaplin on his left. And I think that might be Clark Gable on his right in the 7:00 position. Just going on the hair since he's facing away.
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On 7/15/2021 at 11:36 PM, TomJH said:

So nobody is buying my Mike Romanoff suggestion. Instead some are going for Xavier Cugat. Who's the idiot that suggested him? Of all the ridiculous . . .

Oh, wait.

Never mind.

I asked my personal clairvoyant, Swami Yogadachi, to swami in to this controversy... His reply was cryptic.. Something about the actors portrayed having something to do with one another that a 1941 movie audience would recognize.  So, Don Ameche and Claudette Colbert starred in 1939's "Midnight," a film that was added to the National Film Registry in 2013.

MIDNIGHT (1939) DON AMECHE, CLAUDETTE COLBERT MIDT 004P L Stock Photo -  Alamy

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-midnight-1939-don-ameche-claudette-colbert-midt-004p-l-29302237.html

Adolphe Menjou and Norma Shearer seated together starred in films together:
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http://likelylooneymostlymerrie.blogspot.com/2014/04/328-hollywood-steps-out-1941.html

Almost all sources on the Internet state that it's Don Ameche with Claudette Colbert:
https://looneytunes.fandom.com/wiki/Hollywood_Steps_Out

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/HollywoodStepsOut

http://likelylooneymostlymerrie.blogspot.com/2014/04/328-hollywood-steps-out-1941.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Steps_Out

https://www.intanibase.com/iad_entries/entry.aspx?shortID=1556

However, this blog questions if it's Ameche:

http://texaveryatwb.blogspot.com/2019/09/hollywood-steps-out-and-les-films.html

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It's a tough one, I guess. Pencil mustaches were very common in the 1930s and 1940s. If you look at the profile of Ameche from "Midnight" above, you'll notice the sideburn and how his hair is shaped. Sorta similar to the animated "Ameche"  in the cartoon. His hair goes to the right and then cuts back to the left and down. Then the laugh-line (dimple) on the right cheek, barely visible in the "Midnight" photo. It is a tough one, but probably Ameche as he is seated with Colbert.

Film essay for "Midnight" from the National Film Registry website:
https://www.loc.gov/static/programs/national-film-preservation-board/documents/midnight.pdf

Movie poster for "Midnight" with Ameche in profile:
midnight-400453467-large.jpg

https://www.filmaffinity.com/us/film598272.html

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1 hour ago, RMeingast said:

I asked my personal clairvoyant, Swami Yogadachi, to swami in to this controversy... His reply was cryptic.. Something about the actors portrayed having something to do with one another that a 1941 movie audience would recognize.  So, Don Ameche and Claudette Colbert starred in 1939's "Midnight," a film that was added to the National Film Registry in 2013.

MIDNIGHT (1939) DON AMECHE, CLAUDETTE COLBERT MIDT 004P L Stock Photo -  Alamy

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-midnight-1939-don-ameche-claudette-colbert-midt-004p-l-29302237.html

Adolphe Menjou and Norma Shearer seated together starred in films together:
Screen+Shot+2014-04-22+at+21.04.42.png

http://likelylooneymostlymerrie.blogspot.com/2014/04/328-hollywood-steps-out-1941.html

Almost all sources on the Internet state that it's Don Ameche with Claudette Colbert:
https://looneytunes.fandom.com/wiki/Hollywood_Steps_Out

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/HollywoodStepsOut

http://likelylooneymostlymerrie.blogspot.com/2014/04/328-hollywood-steps-out-1941.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Steps_Out

https://www.intanibase.com/iad_entries/entry.aspx?shortID=1556

However, this blog questions if it's Ameche:

http://texaveryatwb.blogspot.com/2019/09/hollywood-steps-out-and-les-films.html

Sequence%2B14.00_01_03_05.Still020.png

 

It's a tough one, I guess. Pencil mustaches were very common in the 1930s and 1940s. If you look at the profile of Ameche from "Midnight" above, you'll notice the sideburn and how his hair is shaped. Sorta similar to the animated "Ameche"  in the cartoon. His hair goes to the right and then cuts back to the left and down. Then the laugh-line (dimple) on the right cheek, barely visible in the "Midnight" photo. It is a tough one, but probably Ameche as he is seated with Colbert.

Film essay for "Midnight" from the National Film Registry website:
https://www.loc.gov/static/programs/national-film-preservation-board/documents/midnight.pdf

Movie poster for "Midnight" with Ameche in profile:
midnight-400453467-large.jpg

https://www.filmaffinity.com/us/film598272.html

I must say you've presented your case here very nicely, Randy.

However, I'm still of mind that the idea of our mystery man happening to be seated at the same table with Ameche's Midnight (and btw, a movie I've loved since I first watched it years ago and is now one of my favorite rom-coms ever) costar Claudette Colbert has too heavily influenced the idea that it might be Ameche that we're suppose to believe said mystery man as being. In this regard, I must then ask why the cartoonists decided to sit Adolphe Menjou at the same table with Norma Shearer, as these two were never memorably paired in any films that would immediately come to mind, right?

I'll now once again post SansFin's earlier composite image in which she had placed both Ameche's and Brent's profiles on either side of the still frame of this cartoon...

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First, notice if you will that Ameche's eyebrows are not arched as are the mystery man's and Brent's.

Secondly, Ameche's nose is much longer, straighter and more pointed than the mystery man's and Brent's.

Thirdly, Ameche has smaller ears and smaller earlobes than do both the latter two. In fact, Ameche hardly has any earlobes at all. (and something I'm sure Bronxie might especially like about him, and seein' as how she apparently has "a thing" about ears) ;) LOL

And fourthly, Ameche's jawline is much stronger and more defined than that of the latter two. Wouldn't you think the same cartoonist/caricaturist would make special note of this and as they had done in this cartoon with so many other of the actors who had strong jawlines.

(...now, I do think another thing that has made this identification harder to pin down is the idea that you brought up here about those pencil-thin mustaches being all the rage during this era, but sorry and even as I said earlier about you presenting an excellent case for it possibily being Ameche, I'm still stickin'  with my "Brent Theory" here)

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