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I was hoping to see some Spanish language films for Hispanic Heritage Month.  Eli Wallach as Tuco and Paul Newman as Juan Carrasco were fine but not quite the same thing.  Why no Brando as Zapata? 😜

Not to be a presumptuous ****, but please don't quote any pics until I get some web hosting that allows embedding. Thanks!

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1 hour ago, Movie Collector OH said:

I am Moviecollector.  Hear me roar.

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I think I see a "1" out of place.   (But don't go by me; I see T C M as T O M).  

Peculiar, though, I'm reading the message in Esperanto.  My compliments to your over-bubbling ingenuity.

OH, Moviecollector,  OH. OK

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9 hours ago, bgwh888 said:

I don't really care how old a movie is, so long as it's good, and it just feels like a lot of these newer movies are just crap. Worse than that is when the repeat the same crap over and over. How many times are they going to show Rollerball?

A lot of old movies aren't that  good, they were basically well polished turds made by studios who concentrated all the best creative artists and personnel that really knew how to make those  well polished turds. That is the legacy of the studio system. Out of every 1,000 films about 3% are going to be great, if they stand the test of time and cultural and social dynamics they  may earn that classic appellation.  

You can see if you go back and view 1950's 1960's television that a lot of Hollywood studio talent siphoned off to TV as a result everything  artistic got diluted over a bigger field. For example take The Twilight Zone 1959–1964 this one series had many episodes that had Classic Noir directors, John Brahm twelve Twilight Zone episodes directed The Locket, Hangover Square, and The Lodger, Joseph M. Newman four episodes directed 711 Ocean Drive, The Human Jungle, Dangerous Crossing, Robert Florey three episodes directed The Face Behind the Mask, Danger Signal, and The Crooked Way, Mitchell Leisen three episodes directed No Man of Her Own, Robert Parrish three episodes directed The Mob, and Cry Danger), Stuart Rosenberg three episodes directed (Murder, Inc.), Robert Stevens two episodes directed (The Big Caper), Christian Nyby two episodes, directed SciFi Noir The Thing from Another World), Don Siegel two episodes directed The Verdict, The Big Steal, Private Hell 36, Riot in Cell Block 11, The Lineup, other Noir directors Ralph Nelson (Transitional Noir Once a Thief), Ida Lupino (The Hitch-Hiker) and Jacques Tourneur (Out of the Past, The Leopard Man, I Walked with a Zombie and Cat People) each directed one episode.

There are probably the same percentage of turds after the demise of the studio system, but now most of them are unpolished. But some of these unpolished low budget films can indeed still be classics.

PS - I don't remember Rollerball being shown all that much to answer your question.

 

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9 hours ago, bgwh888 said:

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly and it's various reincarnations play almost continuously on other channels. Why add to the pollution? Granted, they're good movies, but this is like getting diabetes from eating too much candy.

Because it (The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly) should be treated with as much reverence as any other Classic and shown uncut and commercial free with a knowledgeable guest host somebody along the lines of Sir Christopher Frayling giving it a proper introduction. It's a bonafide Classic.

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10 hours ago, bgwh888 said:

And then with the subtitle movies and silents added to the general rotation, I'm finding the channel that I used to watch almost exclusively, I'm now watching only rarely.

More Classics there (subtitle movies and silents) too BTW, sounds like you are the diabetic getting your sugar high on the same ol same ol polished Hollywood turds.

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I dont mind TCM integrating 30 yr old movies, or movies from the 70,80, 90, era BUT, they are taking over! they have an untapped library of 30, 40, 50, films they have yet to show..but keep re- playing the same ONES!! I want to know what child took over programming 2 years ago....it seemed to fall by the wayside then...I am home 24/7 with a terminal husband it's on all day I know. It's all that he watches.

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On Sep. 23, TCM's daytime programming consisted  of "B" horror movies from the 40's.   All entertaining, most not "classics,"  but that is fine with me.  

But, TCM needs to show more variety to appeal to more viewers.  If it does not attract a large enough viewing audience, it will die.  So, more recent movies are also fine with me.  I think the mix is pretty good overall.

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6 hours ago, ootsy said:

Yawn.

Your initial post has generated five pages of discussion.  Perhaps the reaction your comments have received is not what you would have preferred, but, one possible outcome is that no one might have responded to your post and it would have drifted down lifelessly, ending up on page 42000, to be seen again only by a TCM employee pruning dead posts from the forum.

That would have been something to yawn about.

If you truly believe the things you stated at the beginning of this thread, I think you should take the opportunity at all these comments to defend your position. If, however, your statement was intended merely as trolling, then I do find a yawn appropriate, since this reflex is believed by scientists to be a response to your brain needing an influx of oxygen.

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7 hours ago, ootsy said:

Yawn.

Is this your way of indicating that all that has been written on this thread about which you started is just one big boring exercise in futility?

Nothing to add to your own beginnings?

Nothing to add to some of the more relevant posts responding to you?

Or are you just another idiotic troll who just comes on here from time to time to shake, rattle and roll with other members of the community?

You want to be taken seriously? Then you are going to have to up your game.

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If and when the end comes (and for the record I think is still years from now) I am ready with over 15 years of TCM programming that I recorded.  I started recording around 2001 and went to around the time Robert passed away. I can make a TCM channel of my own with all the programming I have. The original Silent Sunday montage, shorts that haven’t been shown in years, the original channel guide after the films with the voiceover, I have it all.  I suggest getting a DVD recorder for all these doom and gloom people.

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11 hours ago, Katie_G said:

I was hoping to see some Spanish language films for Hispanic Heritage Month.  Eli Wallach as Tuco and Paul Newman as Juan Carrasco were fine but not quite the same thing.  Why no Brando as Zapata? 😜

Not to be a presumptuous ****, but please don't quote any pics until I get some web hosting that allows embedding. Thanks!

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Gotta wonder what the Hungarian-Polish Jew NEWMAN and the Polish Jew from Brooklyn WALLACH and the German-Dutch-English-Irish BRANDO pretending to be Hispanic  has to do with "Hispanic Heritage Month", don'tcha?  ;)  I would think movies with actors and actresses of actual Hispanic/Spanish  roots and ancestry  would make more sense.  

Sepiatone

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I always thought it was hypocritical of Ricardo Montalban to dismiss Eli Wallach as a Mexican bandit when he himself played an Asian man in a Hawaii Five-O episode complete with his eyes pulled back. 

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13 minutes ago, Sepiatone said:

Gotta wonder what the Hungarian-Polish Jew NEWMAN and the Polish Jew from Brooklyn WALLACH and the German-Dutch-English-Irish BRANDO pretending to be Hispanic  has to do with "Hispanic Heritage Month", don'tcha?  ;)  I would think movies with actors and actresses of actual Hispanic/Spanish  roots and ancestry  would make more sense.  

Sepiatone

I think it was a tongue in cheek post.

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3 minutes ago, vidorisking said:

I always thought it was hypocritical of Ricardo Montalban to dismiss Eli Wallach as a Mexican bandit when he himself played an Asian man in a Hawaii Five-O episode complete with his eyes pulled back. 

But speaking of that, you know all the rath that Rooney gets from Breakfast at Tiffany's on one hand , but Tony Randall gets a pass for Dr. Lao on the other. There is a fine line between stereotypes.

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4 hours ago, Meg said:

I dont mind TCM integrating 30 yr old movies, or movies from the 70,80, 90, era BUT, they are taking over! they have an untapped library of 30, 40, 50, films they have yet to show..but keep re- playing the same ONES!! I want to know what child took over programming 2 years ago....it seemed to fall by the wayside then...I am home 24/7 with a terminal husband it's on all day I know. It's all that he watches.

I am sorry to hear about your husband. I can relate. My wife is disabled with Lupus and many other ailments. I have been her main caregiver for the past 20 years. But she does not watch TCM simply because we can not afford the cable tier that the channel is offered through. But we did have the channel for many years and got a lot of enjoyment from having it.

As far as your concern about the types of films TCM currently broadcasts, they are rather limited in what they can procure. They have a set budget each month and due to the way the distributors send films to them, they often show the same or similar movies more than being able to tap into the vast amount of movies available through other sources. Having said this, TCM does a fairly good job getting as many newer films, and by that I mean films that have never been shown on the channel before in addition to the same films often repeated. Again, they are limited in what they can show simply based on the deals they can get from the distributors. And it is not just TCM, but other cable channels that are vying for films of the bygone era.

Also, not many films from the 1920's, 30's 40's and 50's have been converted to a digital format.

Your assertion that TCM is showing many more newer films from the 70's, 80's and 90's is not entirely accurate.

I looked at the upcoming schedule over the remaining days in September and this is what I found what was being shown on TCM:

12 films from the 1920’s
14 films from the 1930’s
11 films from the 1940’s
16 films from the 1950’s
17 films from the 1960’s
5 films from the 1970’s
5 films from the 1980’s
3 films from the 1990’s

I did not count shorts or docs.
So even though the vast majority of films being shown are from before 1970, there are a few films from the 1970's through the 1990's, but that number is not a majority.

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58 minutes ago, Sepiatone said:

Gotta wonder what the Hungarian-Polish Jew NEWMAN and the Polish Jew from Brooklyn WALLACH and the German-Dutch-English-Irish BRANDO pretending to be Hispanic  has to do with "Hispanic Heritage Month", don'tcha?

First thing I thought...

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1 hour ago, Sepiatone said:

Gotta wonder what the Hungarian-Polish Jew NEWMAN and the Polish Jew from Brooklyn WALLACH and the German-Dutch-English-Irish BRANDO pretending to be Hispanic  has to do with "Hispanic Heritage Month", don'tcha?  ;)  I would think movies with actors and actresses of actual Hispanic/Spanish  roots and ancestry  would make more sense.  

That was my point.  Did you miss the one about not quoting pics?   I'd appreciate it.  

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It is interesting the amount of anger leveled at some decisions at TCM. I am not a fan of the redesign. It think it is generic and distracting and have written about that elsewhere and sent a comment to TCM directly about it. However, I think that overall TCM has been making fairly smart choices about how it approaches programming as we move into the 2020s. The Sunday Night Silents hosted by a film professor, the Noir Alley with the incredible Eddie Muller, the goofy fun of the TCM underground are all features I watch and enjoy. I like that they are keeping the star of the month, tributes to certain actors on a given day, guest programmers of various ilks, and have a theme or two for each month. While I could've done without the roller-skating theme, I do like that they are at least using unconventional themes from time to time. As an educator, I also don't mind that they are providing context for movies that have content that today would seem offensive. Introductions to films, which is one of the things I still quite enjoy about TCM, shouldn't ignore this history. Removing old films from the rotation because they are offensive does not remove their impact, but having at least a brief moment of context at least gives viewers something to consider - even if the intro does feel a bit superficial. I'm not sure why that would anger anyone.

I think that the wine club, film cruise and film festival are all smart business tie-ins for this channel. While I do not partake in any of them, I don't have a problem with a business finding ways to make money to support their brand. It's more troubling when it seems like it has no connection to what the business really believes in.

And in regards to our understanding of old and/or classic - I just hope TCM keeps it's commercial free approach and explores the range of films out there. I like the addition of foreign films and more recent pictures, providing they are actually engaging. There are such things as instant classics. I think they are negotiating the times relatively well in this regard, with mostly older films and a some newer ones thrown in, especially if it aligns with a theme for the month. TCM is still the only reason I have a cable package. I would support a streaming version and drop cable if I could. Cheers to everyone who enjoys TCM or TOM, or what have you.

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22 hours ago, Katie_G said:

That was my point.  Did you miss the one about not quoting pics?   I'd appreciate it.  

I didn't quote the pics.  Just the text.  ;)  And that text gave the impression you didn't really include Brando as Zapata with that Newman-Wallach duo.  

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5 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

I didn't quote the pics.  Just the text.  ;)  And that text gave the impression you didn't really include Brando as Zapata with that Newman-Wallach duo.  

It was a joke.  I even included a winkie just in case (and I hate doing that because it defeats the purpose).    But that's not important.  When my screencaps show up in your post I can't delete them later to make room for new ones.  Only you can do that.   I often like using my own screencaps, but since we're only given 3 mb total for pics uploaded from our computers (rather than from another website), I can't upload any more until some are deleted.   I have 15 gigs on Google but they don't allow embedding to another website.  Many webhosts don't, I'm finding, and it's time consuming to look.   In short, please just delete the screencaps from your quote until I get this straightened out.    Thanks for your understanding.

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How about a risible example of HAIKU poetry to define the deadness that is this modern TCM?

TCM is dead

I bought a sackful of eye-less potatoes  🥔🥔

My brother eats garbage because he's homeless by choice

The artificial flowers I bought died yesterday

🐔  I can't find my rubber chicken -- could he have ((bounced)) away in The Night? 

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