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It looks like I'm in a muddle again, this time with the silhouette quiz. If anyone finds out who the actress really is please let us know. I myself thought it was the profile of Jean Harlow, Rosebette,

 

Ann Sheridan?  (assuming the Bow guess was incorrect).  

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It looks like I'm in a muddle again, this time with the silhouette quiz. If anyone finds out who the actress really is please let us know. I myself thought it was the profile of Jean Harlow, Rosebette,

 

 

Howdy,

 

Think the clue to the silhouette photo is the movie still number in the lower right corner: 787-235.

 

The movie studios had their own systems for organizing movie stills.

Paramount marked their stills sequentially with numbers that correspond to each film.

For example, this website lists the movie still code numbers for silents:

http://www.silentfilmstillarchive.com/identify2.htm

 

As far as I know, the movie still code 787 corresponds to the 1930 flick "Honey" (I've also seen the number 1241 on some stills but many with 787), starring Nancy Carroll, Lillian Roth, Mitzi Green, "Skeets" Gallagher, Jobyna Howland, etc:

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/78290/Honey/

 

Richard Finegan at NitrateVille supports this too:

http://www.nitrateville.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=10339&start=750#p92953

 

You can also see for yourselves at this site that purports to show stills from 1930's "Love Among the Millionaires" but are actually stills from "Honey":

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SKEETS-GALLAGHER-FOUR-4-Original-1930-Paramount-Studio-PRESS-PHOTOGRAPHS-/270945976525

 

How do I know it's "Honey" and not "Love Among the Millionaires" as stated?

One of the photos (787-101) shows Mitzi Green and Jobyna Howland.

The problem is that Howland was not in "Love Among the Millionaires" but was in "Honey."

This still (787-76) from another website shows Green and Howland from "Honey":

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Movie-Photograph-Mitzi-Green-Nancy-Carroll-Honey-/360244846339

 

Another still shows Lillian Roth and "Skeets" Gallagher (787-72) but Roth wasn't in "Love Among the Millionaires" but was in "Honey."

You can see for yourselves by viewing this clip from "Honey":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg3wHqFbjrY

 

At the 3:00 minute mark, you see Gallagher and Roth with Roth wearing the same dress as in the movie still above 787-72.

 

The only problem is the last still that shows Stuart Erwin and Barbara Bennett (787-209) as they were in "Love Among the Millionaires" and not "Honey."

But, it's actually Harry Green and ZaSu Pitts from "Honey."

See this still (787-203) from another website:

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/PO835-Photo-ZASU-PITTS-HARRY-GREEN-Honey-1930-/331301305944?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item4d2318be58

 

Notice the ironwork on the bench in the still above and how it matches that in the other movie still purporting to be Erwin and Bennett. Also check out Pitts hair and compare. No doubt it's Green and Pitts and not Erwin and Bennett.

 

Here's another still from "Honey" showing ZaSu Pitts (787-157):

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/EO667-CGC-Photo-ZASU-PITTS-Honey-1930-/311075253330?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item486d87ac52

 

The mystery silhouette still is numbered 787-235 and so I believe is from "Honey" and probably shows Lillian Roth. I suppose it could be Nancy Carroll as well??

Seeing the 1930 flick "Honey" would probably help in placing the context of the movie still 787-235 and who the actress is - Roth or Carroll - from that film.

Anybody seen "Honey"?

 

I'll do more Sherlocking when I have more time...

 

Ciao

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RMeingast, your doing a wonderful job in your research regarding the silhouette puzzle. It looks like you whittled it down to Lillian Roth...thus far (Fred Dobbs pick). Good luck as you continue your investigation.

Mongo

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The pictures of Walt Disney and his wife Lillian were so cute.  He used to say kiddingly that he had had to marry her, because if she had cashed all the salary checks she was paid as the office secretary, it would have broken the company.  She had her own money and simply stashed the checks in a drawer uncashed.  He was apparently a very loving husband, however, and they had a great marriage.

 

One of his animators, who died recently, and who was a neighbor of mine, told me that Disney was a great boss.  He said when his family was growing, Walt, who had brought him down from Canada (he was European by birth) and therefore helped him get his citizenship, let him out of his contract because he couldn't keep him busy during the layoff periods when he wasn't making features like Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty, but helped get him another job at Warner's, where he did Bugs Bunny and others.  They remained good friends afterward.  When I visited him, I expected to see cels all over the house, but there were just a few Bugs sketches.  I didn't ask if he had any more.  He was long since retired.

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RMeingast, your doing a wonderful job in your research regarding the silhouette puzzle. It looks like you whittled it down to Lillian Roth...thus far (Fred Dobbs pick). Good luck as you continue your investigation.

Mongo

 

No problem... Like to help, if I can...

 

Check out this still from "Honey" - code number 787-245 - showing Nancy Carroll:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1940S-NANCY-CARROLL-in-HONEY-MOVIE-PHOTOGRAPH-/380852172766?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item58ac8ef7de

 

So it's either Carroll or Roth in the silhouette. Probably Roth, but further Sherlocking when I have time may find out conclusively.

 

P.S. The site linked to above states the still is from the 1940's. That is mistaken as "Honey" is from 1930.

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RMeingast, your doing a wonderful job in your research regarding the silhouette puzzle. It looks like you whittled it down to Lillian Roth...

 

Mongo

 

I wonder if this is a studio "publicity still" that is not from any particular movie? Some studios promoted some good looking actresses by taking a lot of glamor shots of them, to send out to the fan magazines and newspapers for free publicity. Also, some of the photos were semi-nude stuff suggesting that the scene is in some movie, but maybe it is not in any movie at all.

 

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Bob Cummings was a very nice person, according to the people I knew who met him in Tokyo when he was making "My Geisha" with Shirley MacLaine and Yves Montand.  I was there but never was invited to the set as they were.  He was asked to speak to the women's club at the camp there and apparently was a delightful guest, staying well past the luncheon to chat, answer questions and sign autographs for everybody.  I always loved his early stage name, which he proudly said was "Blade Stanhope Conway."  What a moniker.

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I wonder if this is a studio "publicity still" that is not from any particular movie? Some studios promoted some good looking actresses by taking a lot of glamor shots of them, to send out to the fan magazines and newspapers for free publicity. Also, some of the photos were semi-nude stuff suggesting that the scene is in some movie, but maybe it is not in any movie at all.

 

Fred

 

Well, that's a good point. Here is what appears to be a publicity photo by Otto Dyar showing Lillian Roth and has the code number 787-2/15:

http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=375154&ppid=1122&image=687377347&images=687377347,687377310&formats=0,0&format=0

 

On the reverse of the photo, it states: "Mammy! -- Showing just how all blues singers at some time or other imitate Al Jolson. Lillian Roth, featured in Paramount's "Honey", is the girl who gives the mammy blues."

http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=375154&ppid=1122&image=687377310&images=687377347,687377310&formats=0,0&format=0

 

So it appears to be a studio photo (publicity still) with the code number for "Honey" - starting with 787 - that was used for publicity for the flick.

Have no idea if Roth wears the dress or blackface in "Honey."

 

"Honey" (1930) was a musical flick with Paramount's big star at the time, Nancy Carroll, being topbilled.

It takes place on a plantation in the U.S. South with Carroll going gaga over Stanley Smith, and Lillian Roth going gaga over "Skeets" Gallagher. ZaSu Pitts, Jobyna Howland, Mitzi Green, and Harry Green provide comic relief.

Roth has a big song and dance number with African Americans for the song "Sing You Sinners" (Roth doesn't join the action until about the 4:00 minute mark of the clip):

 

 

Reviews for "Honey" here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020986/reviews?ref_=tt_ql_8

 

This photo - code number 787-6/73 - shows Lillian Roth and "Skeets" Gallagher in "Honey":

http://bp0.blogger.com/_bdtuKKCTCf4/RmtDVDpT3RI/AAAAAAAAC3o/Thbggel5bU8/s1600/Roth+%26+Gallagher+-+1930.jpg

 

Have no idea what's up with Gallagher holding his cigarette the way he is in the photo...

They're supposed to be sweeties in the film - "Gee, think I'll use my honey's mouth as an ashtray..."

 

Here's another code number 787-124 showing Stanley Smith and Nancy Carroll from "Honey":

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-JS1263109.jpg?size=67&uid=984df79e-3df8-48bd-bb69-34d90bb3e8af

 

Carroll plays the plantation owner in the flick but she pretends to be a maid after she rents the plantation to Jobyna Howland and her daughter played by Lillian Roth. Carroll meets and she falls for Roth's fiance Stanley Smith.

But that's apparently ok as Roth falls for another dude - "Skeets" Gallagher.

 

Here's another by photographer E.A. Schoenbaun (name on reverse of photo) of Smith and Carroll for "Honey" with the code number 787-99:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DI140-Photo-NANCY-CARROLL-STANLEY-SMITH-Honey-1930-/351162529550?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item51c2eaf70e

 

Anyway, now you know probably more than you ever wanted to know about "Honey."

 

As for the "mystery" silhouette, it's a good point that it could be a publicity photo done by someone like Otto Dyar or E.A Schoenbaun that was used by the studio. But I believe the code number on the "mystery" (787-235) relates it to "Honey" and it could very well be a publicity still for the film. Still, it's probably either Lillian Roth or Nancy Carroll.

 

I'll try and find out more when I have time. But only so much I can do from my perch up in the Great White North.

I believe the Paramount archives are waaaaaaay down in L.A. :

http://collections.oscars.org/link/photos/1104/

 

P.S. Some other Paramount movie still/publicity still codes are 791 for 1930's "Let's Go Native":

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UeLEBDP0hnM/UbqfjJydUtI/AAAAAAAABWw/s5lDIKm_K64/s1600/letsgonativeeeee.jpg

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/JS1568040/frances-curran-and-joan-palmer-in-dressing?popup=1

 

And 795 for 1930's "The Devil's Holiday" (Nancy Carroll was nominated for a Best Actress Oscar in this one):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alicejapan/sets/72157625998396673/detail/

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