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I don't recall I'm not saying. I knew it wouldn't be popular. I wasn't really paying attention to Trump. I thought he was stupid to have that flag.  It's my belief that both sides fear the other and they are convinced they have the target on their back. That's why I asked people said the felt insulted and that's why they said what they did. So I'm trying to get my point across. . I wanted to find what made people tick. The responses when fro poor woman to comparing her to Hitler. Both sides are afraid that their the scapegoat. When one side says something against the other and use the word dem or rep they take it personally and feel the if the party their not in is going to mistreat them if they get in power. I just don't think anybody should make anybody a villian. Everybody has faults. But neither does it make them a hero either. It makes the other side mad and when somebody thinks their hero is besmirch. They feel under attack. I'm trying not to get in a fight that's why I'm vague. If one side makes someone a villian .They'll find something on the other party. Both  types of media sites talk about a civil war which they claim the other party is doing. Neither side understands the other so  their both worried that their the target of the other and are acting out of fear. I think the law should  take it's course. Ironicly about the Parkland shooter if he's still alive his family might still wish him a Happy Birthday. Plus another problem in the Gabby case  her boyfriends family got death threats because of him. Alot of people are affected when something happens. I think alot of both sides feel like a target and that's why it would be better if each side would give a little. If each side knows the other side is calling them bad, of course the will believe they have a target on their back. That's why I talked vague. Think what her family must be going through  I'm sure most familes had family members that did something wrong but still care about them. For me I'm not glorifing her, but she believed she was right . To me it's like Jesus said about the stones. I'm fine with the R.I.P. Who knows the whole story.  I've been around mainly information  forum for years. I'm not a Troll. I just don't want to be a second class citizen but I don't want that on anybody else either. Nobody's perfect  but if someone you like , you feel insulted your going to find something on the opposite side and so on . I know how you feel about the thread but I was taught to stand up to things. It does no good to keep quiet all the time to keep the peace and as I said boths sides feel under attack and their making decisions out of fear. P.S. Sorry about being long winded and vague. I only had a high school education and I don't mean it as a insult but I'm sure both Germany and the jews thought they both were right. People have different opinions . The jewish people were bad mouthed and that's how it starts. You're problems are because of them.   and that's what's happening here you'd have food  because for A,  then A tells you no doctors  because of what B did. Neither problem is solved and your mad at both. Most people won't care who's President  if the are treated fairly . 

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49 minutes ago, Marysara1 said:

I don't recall I'm not saying.

Fantastic opening sentence. It sets the tone for what's to follow.

I knew it wouldn't be popular.

So what was your point? To stir things up? Why? You say later on that you're not a troll, but that's what trolls do.

I wasn't really paying attention to Trump. I thought he was stupid to have that flag.

Huh? What flag?

 It's my belief that both sides fear the other and they are convinced they have the target on their back. That's why I asked people said the felt insulted and that's why they said what they did.

The underlined section is incoherent.

So I'm trying to get my point across. .

Not very successfully.

I wanted to find what made people tick.

Umm, okay.

The responses when fro poor woman to comparing her to Hitler. Both sides are afraid that their the scapegoat.

I know I'm not a scapegoat. Do you think you are a scapegoat? How so?

When one side says something against the other and use the word dem or rep they take it personally and feel the if the party their not in is going to mistreat them if they get in power. I just don't think anybody should make anybody a villian.

But some people are villains. They've established by their consistent past behavior that they have malevolent intentions, and should be nowhere near public office.

Everybody has faults. But neither does it make them a hero either. It makes the other side mad and when somebody thinks their hero is besmirch. They feel under attack.

If someone's hero is Donald Trump, I have no problem besmirching them.

I'm trying not to get in a fight that's why I'm vague.

Maybe try more clarity.

If one side makes someone a villian .They'll find something on the other party. Both  types of media sites talk about a civil war which they claim the other party is doing.

You frequent "both types of media sites"? What are some examples? 

Neither side understands the other so  their both worried that their the target of the other and are acting out of fear.

No, I understand the Trumpers much more than I'd like to.

I think the law should  take it's course.

So do most of us. Tell the Republicans (McCarthy, Bannon, Trump, etc.) to stop obstructing and let the legal process continue.

Ironicly about the Parkland shooter if he's still alive his family might still wish him a Happy Birthday.

That comparison would make sense only if you are related to Ashli Babbitt. Are you?

Plus another problem in the Gabby case  her boyfriends family got death threats because of him.

That's completely unrelated to the conversation at hand.

Alot of people are affected when something happens. I think alot of both sides feel like a target and that's why it would be better if each side would give a little. If each side knows the other side is calling them bad, of course the will believe they have a target on their back. That's why I talked vague.

Try talking more clearly.

Think what her family must be going through  I'm sure most familes had family members that did something wrong but still care about them.

I don't have any family members who smashed their way into the capitol while chanting for the death of the VP and various members of congress. Do you have family that did that?

For me I'm not glorifing her, but she believed she was right .

And that in no way excuses her actions.

To me it's like Jesus said about the stones.

It's not.

I'm fine with the R.I.P. Who knows the whole story.

I know the whole story. Anyone paying attention and that lives in reality knows the whole story. It was live on television while it was happening.

  I've been around mainly information  forum for years.

Not sure what this means.

I'm not a Troll.

Okay.

I just don't want to be a second class citizen but I don't want that on anybody else either.

Who's making you into a second class citizen? In what ways?

Nobody's perfect  but if someone you like , you feel insulted your going to find something on the opposite side and so on .

Are you saying that you like Ashli Babbitt? That you agree with what she did?

I know how you feel about the thread but I was taught to stand up to things.

What are you standing up to, exactly?

It does no good to keep quiet all the time to keep the peace and as I said boths sides feel under attack and their making decisions out of fear.

Keeping quiet does not seem to be in Trump-supporters' skill set.

P.S. Sorry about being long winded and vague.

Long winded is fine, although you could occasionally hit the "Enter" button and create paragraph breaks so that your posts aren't huge blocks of text that are difficult to read through. As for being vague, too vague is the issue.

I only had a high school education

As did I.

and I don't mean it as a insult but I'm sure both Germany and the jews thought they both were right. People have different opinions .

Are you reducing the Holocaust to "a difference of opinion"?

The jewish people were bad mouthed and that's how it starts. You're problems are because of them.

Wait, what? I don't think this sentence conveys what you hoped it would.

   and that's what's happening here you'd have food  because for A,  then A tells you no doctors  because of what B did.

Um what? Can you give us a real-world example of how this is happening right now?

Neither problem is solved and your mad at both. Most people won't care who's President  if the are treated fairly .

See ya next time! 

 

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22 hours ago, unwatchable said:

Am I required to make a list? Let's see- all police shootings for...what interval? A year? For all US history? Any specific departments, or all of them?

If you comment on one film, why just that one, and not all the others?

In case you hadn't noticed, we're in a thread which has the subject of the person in question. Am I supposed to bring unrelated incidents into this discussion?

Some of you guys, I just don't understand your thought processes.

Actually Einstein :rolleyes:   The inquiry was as to since there's so much footage of police shootings when those officers didn't appear to be in any danger(like when a young black man is running in the opposite direction, or walking in a direction that's leading away from them etc.)  What makes this particular shooting so significant?  or, different as far as it goes.

Maybe them being thought processes is what puts them beyond your grasp?   Just askin'.  ;) 

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What does someone really mean when they say "they didn't need to be shot"?      I assumed it was a specific and narrow comment related to if the authority that did the shooting was justified in firing their weapon.      But now I believe that in most cases my assumption was bogus;    I.e.   the term "need"  in this context is just a very broad and general "feeling".      

This came up last week in L.A.  where a women's boyfriend killed her father at their house and then police came and shot her boyfriend.    Standing outside of her home she said "they (police) didn't need to kill him".      Later on she said she understood why her boyfriend was shot (he was  shooting at the police after killing her father),  but just wished the police had arrested him.      

My error was taking "need" too literally.     

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The flag I'm talking out was at the rally that Trump had . It was suppose to be the one from Jan. 6th Riot. See I agree it's a riot. I'll have to let you know after the election about A and B. Didn't you hear about the transportation head being on paternity leave.He had a right. Then the democrats said the shortage of doctor's was because people were refusing to get the shot. I guess will have to wait til after the election to find out what the public thinks. Just like somebody talking about Trump and the porn star. What about Clinton and Monica., or J.F.K and his mistresses? What good does it do. You could say something about Trump I could find something about Biden everybody has a skeleton in their closet. There was a rumor about J.F.K. having Marilyn killed.  I said troll because I could tell by some of the posts. When you trying to find out how somebody thinks you play devil's advocate. Each side has such a hated and misturust of the other party it's disturbing. There was a post against Biden about Covid deaths being up on his watch. So somebody replied well at least 8 times as many  republicians died  I'm assumming that was anger about Biden comment and not that the poster hates Republcans that much. .If Trump is guilty he deseves what  the law allows. No one should be above the law. Doesn't either side have anything nice to say about themselves. All I hear from both sides is how bad the another one is. If  the public only sees venom from both sides. Well it will be a interesting race.

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6 hours ago, Marysara1 said:

Well  with this global warming maybe God will be the judge sooner than we think and he can figure it out. I thin k it should be ignored.Trump loves to be in the spotlight. I f  the statement was ignored it would of went away sooner.

Wha---?

This sort of comment is in its own way rather cute (in a ditsy sort of way)

Marysara1, are you sure you are not Gracie Allen redux?

 

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2 hours ago, Marysara1 said:

The flag I'm talking out was at the rally that Trump had . It was suppose to be the one from Jan. 6th Riot. See I agree it's a riot. I'll have to let you know after the election about A and B. Didn't you hear about the transportation head being on paternity leave.He had a right. Then the democrats said the shortage of doctor's was because people were refusing to get the shot. I guess will have to wait til after the election to find out what the public thinks. Just like somebody talking about Trump and the porn star. What about Clinton and Monica., or J.F.K and his mistresses? What good does it do. You could say something about Trump I could find something about Biden everybody has a skeleton in their closet. There was a rumor about J.F.K. having Marilyn killed.  I said troll because I could tell by some of the posts. When you trying to find out how somebody thinks you play devil's advocate. Each side has such a hated and misturust of the other party it's disturbing. There was a post against Biden about Covid deaths being up on his watch. So somebody replied well at least 8 times as many  republicians died  I'm assumming that was anger about Biden comment and not that the poster hates Republcans that much. .If Trump is guilty he deseves what  the law allows. No one should be above the law. Doesn't either side have anything nice to say about themselves. All I hear from both sides is how bad the another one is. If  the public only sees venom from both sides. Well it will be a interesting race.

Marysara1, you indicated that you were being vague. Marysara1, you are the Mother of all Vagueness. You are the Goddess of Vague. My ninth-grade school teacher told me all about reading between the lines. I have attempted to read between your lines and found myself in a free fall. I thought I was in Laffite in Wonderland. My ninth-grade teacher never told me about this.

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Sorry  it's just between these boards and at work I'm hearing both sides. At work their just as sure Biden's going to get arrested any minute. I did vote for Trump so I'm not happy about the Trump supporter comments. I don't care what happens to him personally if he did wrong. I told you about school it was suppose to make me a more understanding of different groups. I voted for the policy not the person. Just like dems say rebublcians are racist .I was told dems are child  killers because of being pro-life. I wanted to try to understand a different view.  I'm listening to both sides . but one side's saying peaceful other riot. Polls say alot of voters don't trust the system that's why I tried to get more understanding from you. Very few people liked the riot but some question the election,  so casing her as both a hero or villian will cause bitterness depending on beliefs. At some point hopefully the two parties won't be so far apart, To me this is about understanding. It would just be easier if both parties understood she had flaws. For the greater good.Unless both sides a civil war. 

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I watched the four-hour documentary on HBOmax. A couple of comments. Babbit was shot at the door of the Senate chamber. The Senators were hiding within. Some were not to be able to evacuate the well and were hiding in the balconies. The interlopers had pretty much had their way with breaking and entering but it was apparently decided that this was a threshold not to be breached. Nothing was said in the documentary about that specifically but it can be inferred. In the few seconds prior to the shot Babbitt was in a fury, totally out of control and acting like an utter maniac. I forget my previous comments about the actual shooting but according to the video she is not a totally innocent victim. I can be said that she was, in a sense, asking for it. The documentary did not indicate this in so many words, but the other insurgents were so enraged by the shooting that they became diverted from the original purpose and seem to forget all about breaking into the chamber. I don't like saying this at all but the damn shooting might have worked in that respect. I don't mean to be insensitive or accusatory. I came away from the documentary quite angry about the whole thing. I blame Trump. Say whatever one says about him, he IS a charismatic leader and people like that have the power to corrupt people into a frenzy. So Babbitt is a victim in that sense. But as we know, whatever moves us to act, we are responsible for our actions. Let's make Trump responsible.

The documentary pointed out that one policeman died as well, and that four policeman committed suicide after Jan 6.

I know many here already know these things. But there were things in the doc that I didn't know or realize fully. Thanks.

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My brother was a police officer.I'm not questioning the shooting.What they did was not the answer. I never expected anybody here to give her a Birthday Party, I wouldn't . It's about understanding in forgiveness. Who hasn't gotten wound up and did something they wouldn't do otherwise. She's paid the price for her actions. To me she wasn't either a hero or a complete villian but everybody has flaws. 

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