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Did anyone tune in to watch that political nonsense last night ?


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On 1/12/2022 at 5:56 PM, Technicolor33 said:

Won’t be tuning in to see Murder of Fred Hampton and those other movies.

what does all of this stuff have to do with classic cinema ? That is what I mean. 

why are they showing us political documentaries ? Because they’re old movies ? 20-24 years ago this stuff wouldn’t be airing on TCM.


 

Yeah, how dare they show films about African Americans on Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday.

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@JAMES_and_Thy_Jazzy_Geetar:  I concur with your observation; I don't believe in censoring movies, but I also would not support the government trying to force a company to issue a title (like SONG OF THE SOUTH) that they do not wish to release. 

NOTE that Disney did release "Song of the South" on VHS in the UK.   A number of UK eBay sellers used to make extra money by selling PAL-to-NTSC VHS conversions of this release to Americans.    

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On 1/15/2022 at 8:50 AM, Sepiatone said:

The only "wrong" thing about it( that I see) is that Poitier, judging by the character we know he had, would turn in his grave to think that any tribute to Martin Luther King Jr. would be replaced by a bevy of his movies. 

Sepiatone

Not to mention, previously, weren't people on this very same board complaining that TCM was using Poitier as their go-to for programming on MLK Day? Now they try something different, and people are complaining that Poitier isn't being shown.  TCM is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

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A lot of  southern Democrats switched  to the GOP starting in the 1960s, when the  national Democratic  party  took up the

cause of civil rights. All one has to do  is look  at the presidential election  results. From being solidly Democratic, the south

switched  to being solidly Republican, starting in  1964. The only exceptions  were when the Dems selected a southern

pol as a candidate, such as Carter and Clinton. 

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On 1/17/2022 at 10:54 AM, JamesJazGuitar said:

Isn't censorship the government restricting content.    In cases like this it is a privately-owned company that has decided to not sell\lease their product.

That is capitalism not censorship.    Hey,  I still don't like when companies do that but I don't think the government should get involved and force companies to release products they don't wish to (e.g. Disney and Song of the South).

 

 

I wasn't implying that there was  government censorship involved.  In fact TCM decides what movies that they show get added to their streaming list and this is not one of them.

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I watched The Murder of Fred Hampton and Revolution 2 yesterday back to back.  While i think they are both important documentaries that should be watched (although i don't agree with how Fred Hampton is deified [and only more-so presently by Hollywood]) i don't think they were appropriate films to highlight on MLK Day.  Both documentaries cover events after the death of MLK and while MLK was a man of peace, these films clearly highlight radical and violent movements that are more in-line with the present day BLM movement.  Surely there are films focused on MLK that could be shown on the holiday that is in observance of him. 

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48 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Looks like no one was curious.

 

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On 1/17/2022 at 9:54 AM, JamesJazGuitar said:

  I still don't like when companies do that but I don't think the government should get involved and force companies to release products they don't wish to (e.g. Disney and Song of the South).

 

Sorry, you're sayting the United States government tried to force Disney to make this movie available? I freely admit there's a lot of history about this movie I don't know. Can you provide a link or at least some more information about the backstory?

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14 hours ago, sewhite2000 said:

Sorry, you're saying the United States government tried to force Disney to make this movie available? I freely admit there's a lot of history about this movie I don't know. Can you provide a link or at least some more information about the backstory?

Sorry if I implied that.   The government doesn't have the power to force a company to release a product.

 I was just using Disney as an example of what the complainers MIGHT want the government to do to ensure products private companies suppress are made available.

Something like reverse-censorship.    

 

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18 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Ha- i actually recorded this not knowing what it was.  There was no description for it but was certain i'd heard the name before.  i later read the wikipedia page but haven't watched it yet.  Is this a softcore film? Wouldn't be the first time TCM showed one.  They aired one from the 70's last year.  The name now escapes me,

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2 hours ago, Shank Asu said:

Is this a softcore film?

I haven't seen it, but I believe it is. I don't want to give the impression I've done extensive research on the topic, but I think Valerie and Her Week of Wonders is the other movie you're referring to.

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21 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Yeah, that one shocked me that it was on the schedule,

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25 minutes ago, sewhite2000 said:

I haven't seen it, but I believe it is. I don't want to give the impression I've done extensive research on the topic, but I think Valerie and Her Week of Wonders is the other movie you're referring to.

No, it wasn't that one.  I did watch that film and commented on it on the recently watched thread.  (Actually thought that one was okay and filed under a '**** is this, but worth watching' category. ) I'd remember the name if i read it but remember just being baffled when i saw it on On Demand for TCM- especially as not every film shown on the recent schedule makes it to On Demand.  I turned it off after 15 minutes.  Pretty bad, even for a skin flick.  Grainy picture, bad sound.

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On 1/19/2022 at 4:21 PM, mr6666 said:

Yeah, I didn't consider her "beautiful" at all...

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On 1/19/2022 at 4:21 PM, mr6666 said:

I watched this film yesterday.  I wouldn't call it a softcore film.  There are a few nude scenes that kick in about an hour in and then a two or three simulated sex scenes of which the most graphic are scenes of oral stimulation which is mostly kissing and not simulated.  The film actually fairly interesting.  Political commentary on class and the non-violence military movement in Sweden which i don't know if that was a real thing or not.  Having visited Sweden, i wouldn't be surprised.  Uses some stock footage of MLK.  Not sure how i would classify this film actually.  Definitely a comedy with the mentioned commentary and also meta as there's a film being made on screen.  I would actually recommend this film.  Very interesting.  There's a companion film that is mentioned a few times in this one, but not sure how easy it is to find.  I'll keep my eye out though.  

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2 minutes ago, Shank Asu said:

I watched this film yesterday.  I wouldn't call it a softcore film.  There are a few nude scenes that kick in about an hour in and then a two or three simulated sex scenes of which the most graphic are scenes of oral stimulation which is mostly kissing and not simulated.  The film actually fairly interesting.  Political commentary on class and the non-violence military movement in Sweden which i don't know if that was a real thing or not.  Having visited Sweden, i wouldn't be surprised.  Uses some stock footage of MLK.  Not sure how i would classify this film actually.  Definitely a comedy with the mentioned commentary and also meta as there's a film being made on screen.  I would actually recommend this film.  Very interesting.  There's a companion film that is mentioned a few times in this one, but not sure how easy it is to find.  I'll keep my eye out though.  

Just checked and Criterion actually has a set of both films together that Amazon sells for $20.  Not a bad price for double bill Criterion DVD.

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On 1/12/2022 at 8:09 PM, Technicolor33 said:

The George Wallace movie and the other movie about that black panther guy.

Enough with these kinds of movies TCM. If I wanted politics I’d watch the news. I come to TCM to get away from politics. 
 

This leftist politics stuff is what’s making me (and others) turn away from this channel. Enough with it already.

Then by all means "turn away".  This is after all TCM's channel and programming not yours. You and your ilk are constantly injecting  your brand of  toxic identity politics everywhere you crawl and it's tiresome. If you can't adjust to BHM programming on TCM or life here in the USA, why don't you move somewhere that outlaws political discourse, like the film you're so jilted by, like Russia.

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45 minutes ago, Vanderbilt40four said:

Then by all means "turn away".  This is after all TCM's channel and programming not yours. You and your ilk are constantly injecting  your brand of  toxic identity politics everywhere you crawl and it's tiresome. If you can't adjust to BHM programming on TCM or life here in the USA, why don't you move somewhere that outlaws political discourse, like the film you're so jilted by, like Russia.

WHOA dude! Gotta say while I kind'a sort'a sympathize with your sentiments here (and as you probably discovered while reading my original reply to the OP of this thread and after you gave me a "like" to it here just a few minutes ago), I also have to say I think this was probably THE strongest worded first ever post by someone in the form of a rebuttal that I've ever read during my now eleven years of posting on these boards.

I mean REALLY?! Usin' the ol' "Love it or leave it" line???

C'mon now, I know you could have done a little better than this, now couldn't ya?!

(hint: the editing button is located on the upper right of your posting...just click on those three little dots there...make ya a deal here...you edit yours, and then I'll delete mine here)

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3 hours ago, Dargo said:

WHOA dude! Gotta say while I kind'a sort'a sympathize with your sentiments here (and as you probably discovered while reading my original reply to the OP of this thread and after you gave me a "like" to it here just a few minutes ago), I also have to say I think this was probably THE strongest worded first ever post by someone in the form of a rebuttal that I've ever read during my now eleven years of posting on these boards.

I mean REALLY?! Usin' the ol' "Love it or leave it" line???

C'mon now, I know you could have done a little better than this, now couldn't ya?!

(hint: the editing button is located on the upper right of your posting...just click on those three little dots there...make ya a deal here...you edit yours, and then I'll delete mine here)

Hole on dare, Dargo!

I don't see anything wrong with Vanderbilt40Four's response, which I don't interpret as "Love it or leave it" chauvinism. Technicolor33's extremist P.O.V. warrants an extremist retort, IMO.

Vanderbilt40Four at least asked Technicolor33, "why don't you move somewhere . . ." instead of dictating "EITHER you gain some tolerance . . ." OR "you find something ELSE to which [sic]* on your TV set during this time." 

Let he that is without sin, etc.

* Speaking of the editing button. Dang! Don't you just hate when karma happens, Dargo?

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1 hour ago, Eucalpytus P. Millstone said:

Hole on dare, Dargo!

I don't see anything wrong with Vanderbilt40Four's response, which I don't interpret as "Love it or leave it" chauvinism. Technicolor33's extremist P.O.V. warrants an extremist retort, IMO.

Vanderbilt40Four at least asked Technicolor33, "why don't you move somewhere . . ." instead of dictating "EITHER you gain some tolerance . . ." OR "you find something ELSE to which [sic]* on your TV set during this time." 

Let he that is without sin, etc.

* Speaking of the editing button. Dang! Don't you just hate when karma happens, Dargo?

Oh, I dunno about that, EPM. Still seems to me the newbie's response to the OP went a bit too far near the end of it and where they brought up the suggestion to the OP of moving to Russia and where the OP might find they might fit in better, and which was pretty much what was implied by the newbie. And so in essence, yes, a version of the ol' "Love it or leave it" line.

However, I suppose I CAN kind'a see your point as well here, as I am certainly known to go "over the top" on occasion around here, aren't I?! ;) Even still though, I was NOT "dictating" to the OP about the idea of "tolerance", but instead advised him in my earlier posting that he always has the option to gain some of that OR to keep his distance from that which might upset him, i.e., to change the channel and/or just steer clear of TCM. Nope, it was not a dictum.

(...and btw, yes, I LOVE when karma happens, but just don't think I've gotten the short end of it in this case)

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10 minutes ago, Dargo said:

Oh, I dunno about that, EPM. Still seems to me the newbie's response to the OP went a bit too far near the end of it and where they brought up the suggestion to the OP of moving to Russia and where the OP might find they might fit in better, and which was pretty much what was implied by the newbie. And so in essence, yes, a version of the ol' "Love it or leave it" line.

However, I suppose I CAN kind'a see your point as well here, as I am certainly known to go "over the top" on occasion around here, aren't I?! ;)

(...and btw, I LOVE when karma happens, and just don't think I've gotten the short end of it in this case)

Well, far be it from me to explain the meaning of someone else's message or put words into someone else's "mouth."

As for karma, I was referring to your "Gotcha!": "you find something ELSE to which on your TV set during this time."

In the helpful words of some dude who calls himself Dargo:

"hint: the editing button is located on the upper right of your posting...just click on those three little dots there..." 😬

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1 minute ago, Eucalpytus P. Millstone said:

Well, far be it from me to explain the meaning of someone else's message or put words into someone else's "mouth."

As for karma, I was referring to your "Gotcha!": "you find something ELSE to which on your TV set during this time."

In the helpful words of some dude who calls himself Dargo:

"hint: the editing button is located on the upper right of your posting...just click on those three little dots there..." 😬

LOL

Oh, NOW I see what you were gettin' at here!

Alright already! I'll go back to that original post of mine in this thing and edit in the correct word of "watch" in that line of mine.

(...happy NOW?!) ;)

 

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