So, just how badly do we think The Oscars are gonna "mess" things up this year?

[Dargo]

3 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

No no, it's true.

ps-I think you misspelled "Fogey"- but good for you, shows you're not one.

LOL

Thanks, Lorna. I'll go back up there and correct that misspelling of mine.

(...and in regard to the thought I expressed up there, yep, unfortunately it IS so true and in almost all facets related to modern American culture, isn't it)

[filmnoirguy]

I understand for the first time in the history of the Academy Awards there was an all-Black production team.  I hope Will Smith didn't set that idea back too far.

[LornaHansonForbes]

16 minutes ago, filmnoirguy said:

I understand for the first time in the history of the Academy Awards there was an all-Black production team.  I hope Will Smith didn't set that idea back too far.

one of the many difficult things about being a minority (and I do know of what i speak)- is that whenever a fellow member of your minority (be it Black, Hispanic, Gay- whatever) decides to ACT THE M*****F****** FOOL IN PUBLIC, it paints EVERY MEMBER OF SAID MINORITY WITH THAT BROAD BRUSH, and THEN they all have to carry that burden with them and deal with it when ALL THEY SHARE WITH THE PERSON WHO CHOSE TO ACT THE FOOL ON SAID OCCASION is a surplus of Melanin or a sexual preference for the same gender or a religion or whatever.

and then you end up having to  be the "well, not all of us are prone to acting the m***** f***** fool in public, but it happens sometimes" AMBASSADOR as you go around explaining this to people WHEN IT IS NOT EVEN YOUR JOB AND YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR IT AND YOU'RE EVEN NOT GETTING PAID TO RUN THROUGH THE EXPLAINER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

heavy sigh

 

[LornaHansonForbes]

9 minutes ago, Dargo said:

LOL

Thanks, Lorna. I'll go back up there and correct that misspelling of mine.

(...and in regard to the thought I expressed up there, yep, unfortunately it IS so true and in almost all facets related to modern American culture, isn't it)

or is it "fogie"?

[Dargo]

6 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

or is it "fogie"?

Good question. Lemme go check this thing out on this handy-dandy thing called the Internet....

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Okay, here's what I found:

an old ˈfogey/ˈfogy (usually disapproving) (usually of an older person) a person with very old-fashioned or traditional views, opinions, etc: I’m not such an old fogey that I can’t remember what it was like to be a student.

Old fogey - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

(...so, it's looks as if spelling it "fogey" IS proper and/or acceptable, after all)

[txfilmfan]

Seems the ratings are coming in: 13.7 million viewers, which is up slightly from 2021.  These are the preliminary "fast" overnight numbers.

[LornaHansonForbes]

https://www.mediaite.com/entertainment/academy-tells-reporters-not-to-ask-about-smith-slapping-rock-in-post-oscars-presser/

[LornaHansonForbes]

2 minutes ago, txfilmfan said:

Seems the ratings are coming in: 13.7 million viewers, which is up slightly from 2021.  These are the preliminary "fast" overnight numbers.

OMG!!! I FORGOT ALL ABOUT THAT!!!!!!

THANKS!!!!!!!

PS- those numbers arent good.

PSS- the above sentence is Kind of a CAPTAIN OBVIOUS STATEMENT, now that i read it.....

[txfilmfan]

1 minute ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

I FORGOT ALL ABOUT THAT!!!!!!

THANKS!!!!!!!

PS- those numbers arent good.

From The Hollywood Reporter's story, where I got the number:

The 94th Academy Awards drew a bigger audience than they did in last year’s least watched Oscar ceremony ever. Sunday’s show, however, is still well below past years as both TV viewing and moviegoing have gone through radical changes recently.

ABC’s broadcast of the Oscars drew 13.73 million viewers and a 2.9 rating among adults 18-49, based on fast national ratings from Nielsen. Those figures aren’t adjusted for the live broadcast across the country, nor do they include the portion of the show that aired after 11 p.m. ET or out of home viewing. Time zone adjustments that factor in the live telecast should be available later Monday, and final same-day ratings, including out of home viewing, will be out Tuesday morning. Live telecasts typically (though not always) see their ratings adjust upward after those elements are factored in.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/oscars-tv-ratings-sunday-march-27-2022-1235120758/

[LawrenceA]

1 hour ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

I thought Rock actually sold it pretty well, it didn't come off as malicious (even if it was.)

Seriously though, that is some old material.

Also, apparently WILL heard this joke at rehearsal and was fine with it...he even laughed initially...

Would Will Smith have been at a rehearsal? I don't think they typically have the audience there for those, and he wasn't a presenter. And would Rock have had that joke in his rehearsal material if he had no idea how Jada was going to look on Oscar night (bald/wig/hat/etc.)? I took it as hacky improv crowd work (a 25-year-old movie reference).

And I say this as no fan of Smith's, as you know.

[LornaHansonForbes]

19 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

Would Will Smith have been at a rehearsal? I don't think they typically have the audience there for those, and he wasn't a presenter. And would Rock have had that joke in his rehearsal material if he had no idea how Jada was going to look on Oscar night (bald/wig/hat/etc.)? I took it as hacky improv crowd work (a 25-year-old movie reference).

And I say this as no fan of Smith's, as you know.

oh, i know.

i've been deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep down the rabbit hole and one of the many news articles (or videos?) i watched (on a legit source) claimed that someone claimed the joke was told in rehearsal and SMITH heard it....of course, I've been up since first reading the news at 3:00 am, SO IT IS POSSIBLY INNACURATE INFO OR I WAS HALLUCINATING AND IMAGINED READING IT, OR BOTH.

PS- maybe it was the BIRTHDAY CARE BEAR who came into my bedroom and told me? I'm foggy. this has been such a SHOCK. have i mentioned that?

PS- it does seem odd that SMITH would be in the rehearsal. i'm probably wrong, ignore me.

[CinemaInternational]

1 hour ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

 

Instead, she wore this ATROCITY:

 

Looks like L.A. Law gone wild. Like Susan Dey 's character if she had to go back to court still mostly undone after having a quickie with Harry Hamlin.

(I still wish they would have released more seasons of that show on DVD, than just the three they did. I gather ABC is making a reboot of it with Corbin Bernsen and Blair Underwood in tow, but it sounds pretty ghastly otherwise, too preachy sounding et all. Oh well, I might turn into the new pilot just for the Jill Eikenberry guest spot)

[CinemaInternational]

24 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

Would Will Smith have been at a rehearsal? I don't think they typically have the audience there for those, and he wasn't a presenter. And would Rock have had that joke in his rehearsal material if he had no idea how Jada was going to look on Oscar night (bald/wig/hat/etc.)? I took it as hacky improv crowd work (a 25-year-old movie reference).

And I say this as no fan of Smith's, as you know.

Don't know if Will was at the rehersal, but Rock used the GI Jane joke at the rehersal, so...

[CinemaInternational]

1 hour ago, txfilmfan said:

Seems the ratings are coming in: 13.7 million viewers, which is up slightly from 2021.  These are the preliminary "fast" overnight numbers.

Still the second lowest Oscars. Probably will continue to stay low after last night's debacle

[filmnoirguy]

1 hour ago, txfilmfan said:

Seems the ratings are coming in: 13.7 million viewers, which is up slightly from 2021.  These are the preliminary "fast" overnight numbers.

And to think that in 2010 the number of viewers was more than 40 million.  That was the year Kathryn Bigelow made history as the first woman to win Best Director for 2009's The Hurt Locker. 

[unwatchable]

25 minutes ago, CinemaInternational said:

Don't know if Will was at the rehersal, but Rock used the GI Jane joke at the rehersal, so...

Interesting

In the opinion of forum members, what are the chances of the Academy taking away Smith's Oscar?

[txfilmfan]

1 minute ago, unwatchable said:

Interesting

In the opinion of forum members, what are the chances of the Academy taking away Smith's Oscar?

Zero.  But it will probably be a long, long, time before he gets another.

[Roy Cronin]

What AMPAS rule did he violate to lose the Oscar.  The Academy didn't award it to him, their membership did.

I suppose they could revoke his membership and never invite him back into their house,  but nominees don't sign a pre-ceremony contract with a morals clause (I don't think.)

[LornaHansonForbes]

20 minutes ago, Roy Cronin said:

What AMPAS rule did he violate to lose the Oscar.  The Academy didn't award it to him, their membership did.

I suppose they could revoke his membership and never invite him back into their house,  but nominees don't sign a pre-ceremony contract with a morals clause (I don't think.)

I hate to "well, actually" you when I'm not 100% on the details but...WELL, ACTUALLY...IN 2017(?) in the wake of the ME TOO movement, the AMPAS revised their code of conduct to include physical assault  and YES, THEY CAN KICK YOU OUT AND YES, I THINK THEY CAN ASK FOR THE STATUE BACK.

But they won't. '

But they should.

this article may help:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10660087/Hypocritical-Hollywood-elite-party-Smith.html

[LornaHansonForbes]

from the DAILY MAIL article: (link above)

The Academy has held emergency talks over Zoom about stripping Will Smith of his Best Actor gong for smacking Chris Rock across the face for cracking a joke about his wife Jada Pinkett-Smith, it was revealed on Monday, as Hollywood's hypocritical woke elite still scrambled to party with him through the night.

Oscar bosses are said to be split over whether to take the actor's trophy for his role in 'King Richard' because the assault breaks a new code of conduct drawn up by The Academy in the wake of #MeToo movement and the appalling crimes of Harvey Weinstein. 

Members, including Smith himself, have agreed to behave in a way that never violates 'the integrity of the Academy by their actions' or face suspension or expulsion. Critics are clear that the actor's live TV attack meets that definition - but his supporters insist he 'should be able to hold on to it'.

[txfilmfan]

1 hour ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

from the DAILY MAIL article: (link above)

The Academy has held emergency talks over Zoom about stripping Will Smith of his Best Actor gong for smacking Chris Rock across the face for cracking a joke about his wife Jada Pinkett-Smith, it was revealed on Monday, as Hollywood's hypocritical woke elite still scrambled to party with him through the night.

Oscar bosses are said to be split over whether to take the actor's trophy for his role in 'King Richard' because the assault breaks a new code of conduct drawn up by The Academy in the wake of #MeToo movement and the appalling crimes of Harvey Weinstein. 

Members, including Smith himself, have agreed to behave in a way that never violates 'the integrity of the Academy by their actions' or face suspension or expulsion. Critics are clear that the actor's live TV attack meets that definition - but his supporters insist he 'should be able to hold on to it'.

Seems I might have to eat my words.   Pass the salt, please.

They have rescinded awards in the past.  It's been more common that nominations get pulled before the ceremony, usually on technical issues.  But from what I've looked at today, it appears that only one award was actually revoked.  Not sure how they go about that.  Do they send armed guards to go pick up the statuettes?  They can change their paperwork all day, but do they actually go pick up the physical awards?

The one that was taken back after the awards?

• 1969 ceremony: Best Documentary Feature, Young Americans.  It was discovered after the awards that this film was released in theaters in October 1967, which made it ineligible for the awards for the 1968 calendar year.  The Oscar went to the runner-up, Journey Into Self.   It's the only film that has its award rescinded.

[Dargo]

This was all just a stunt prearranged by both Smith and Rock in order to help garner higher TV ratings and more talk among the public about the Oscars.

Well, at least according to what I hear those nuts that frequent that QAnon website are now saying, anyway. 

LOL

(...nah, jus' kiddin' here, of course...and even though it DOES sound like somethin' those nuts at that website might say, doesn't it)

[unwatchable]

From what I can see online today, Dargo, there doesn't seem to be any political distinctions discernible among the people who, for whatever reason, think that this incident was a publicity stunt. I have to say, I just don't get it. I don't understand how anyone can look at the video of this incident and come to the conclusion that it was staged.

To your point, though- yes, drawing such a conclusion might suggest a propensity for paranoia

[Swithin]

The hypocrisy of all of this is that political statements at the Oscars have generally been in support of peace (which is fine). But last night's episode demonstrated that if countries are violent, it's because individuals are, and we shouldn't be surprised. 

Sadly, Will Smith's act negated all the high-minded talk about the Ukraine.

 

[unwatchable]

Bravo, Swithin! 👍