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Yet More Esther Williams?


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What is the TCM fascination with dreary Esther Williams, one of the most limited stars of her time. Another marathon of five films which have all been shown over and over and over. They trying to snag her for a chit chat? Cash won't work?

 

OH... it's the DVD collection Vol 2 they're selling..

 

What a waste of time slots; what a waste of DVDs..

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I'm a fence sitter, as I agree with both previous posts.

 

Esther is important as part of the whole MGM story, helping to keep musicals in the MGM buffet in the late 40's/early 50's transitional time period. I also would like to hear from her, there's so few left from the "golden years". I bet she has a million stories.

 

I enjoy the films occassionally on TV, especially if I catch a big water number, but the DVDs are a bit much for my tastes. But some people probably love them, so I'm glad they're available.

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Esther Williams movies played a huge role in hooking my now 14-year-old daughter on classic films. The movies were unique for their era and, as has been mentioned, were an important part of MGM history.

 

I think it's important to realize that TCM provides something for everyone. There are plenty of films shown that don't appeal to me but I recognize they are liked by others. I appreciate that TCM provides many diverse titles.

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Considering the fact that Warners has essentially stopped production of most DVD box sets of previously unreleased "classic" films, the Esther Williams Volume 2 set is almost a minor miracle. So if there was not sufficient demand, they would have certainly been released via the WarnerArchives program.

 

Esther Williams is very charming on screen, and the swimming sequences in these films in particular are hugely entertaining but even I wondered about her (slightly perplexing) appeal in 2009. Then as now, it has to be attributed to the fact that those films are as escapist as you can get.

 

Her films usually featured great numbers by musical acts (including many big bands), because well, there were only so many plot variations to her films. So I am looking forward to seeing these musical numbers, as well as the outtakes from the films, over 10 are included.

 

Edited by: richardny4me on Oct 5, 2009 3:10 PM

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> {quote:title=richardny4me wrote:}{quote}

> Considering the fact that Warners has essentially stopped production of most DVD box sets of previously unreleased "classic" films,

 

richard,

They haven't really stopped producing box-sets. Not at all. There are some DVD boxsets that they're still working on, but which won't be out until 2010, including a fifth volume of film noirs.

 

It's true that for this last quarter of 2009, they have had to concentrate on the big anniversary titles, The Wizard of Oz, Gone with the Wind, and North by Northwest, because they were 70th and 50th anniversary presentations and the first time they're releasing them on blu-ray.

 

The only thing that could prevent the studio's home video divisions from releasing more DVD box sets is if the ones coming out now don't do well. And it just so happens that Sony has a bunch of box sets coming out around this time of the year, including a film noir boxset, a Samuel Fuller boxset, and a few others, including a Rita Hayworth boxset that was originally scheduled for this year but has been postponed until early 2010.

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> {quote:title=TikiSoo wrote:}{quote}

 

> Esther is important as part of the whole MGM story, helping to keep musicals in the MGM buffet in the late 40's/early 50's transitional time period. I also would like to hear from her, there's so few left from the "golden years". I bet she has a million stories.

>

 

I certainly like my share of escapist fare but I haven't really sat down and watched many of her movies yet. I would like to hear more from her also. I didn't think she came across all that well in her interviews shown in the documentary *When the Lion Roars*. She just seemed to lack a bit of class in the way she discussed others. I would like to hear her thoughts in a less edited context.

 

I will get to more of her movies eventually.

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Who was who said about Williams: "Wet, she's a star."

 

I certainly have nothing (really) against Williams, BUT I dislike TCM using a block of primetime only to hawk a DVD set.... and speaking of DVD sets, where are the set for Kay Francis or Marion Davies??

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> {quote:title=drednm wrote:}{quote}

> I certainly have nothing (really) against Williams, BUT I dislike TCM using a block of primetime only to hawk a DVD set.... and speaking of DVD sets, where are the set for Kay Francis or Marion Davies??

 

Well, it's a matter of perspective. You see it as TCM hawking a DVD set from their sister company.

 

Others might see it as an opportunity to watch and/or record those movies, without having to buy the DVD set....

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> I certainly have nothing (really) against Williams, BUT I dislike TCM using a block of primetime only to hawk a DVD set.... and speaking of DVD sets, where are the set for Kay Francis or Marion Davies??

 

The rights holders probably realize that, for better or worse, such box sets wouldn't sell.

 

TCM and WHV don't exist as charitable organizations for the purpose of catering to every obscurantist whim of one or another movie buff.

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Obscurantist? Not sure the word works here the way you think it does. It means either to oppose the spread of knowledge or (in film, literature, etc) to hide or obscure the real meaning of the 'text."

 

Oh and I pay my cable bill every month (for TCM specifically) and have been "on board" since day one. So I have no illusions about TCM as a charitable entity.

 

But even the most devoted TCM fan won't agree with its edging toward commercialism via product tie-ins, repetitive programming, and trending toward newer and very nonclassic films.

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> {quote:title=drednm wrote:}{quote}

> Who was who said about Williams: "Wet, she's a star."

>

> I certainly have nothing (really) against Williams, BUT I dislike TCM using a block of primetime only to hawk a DVD set.... and speaking of DVD sets, where are the set for Kay Francis or Marion Davies??

 

But, they have certainly done this a fair bit in the past with new books, box sets, etc, correct???

As I mentioned on another thread, TCM is not even part of basic cable,(Well, satellite for me) as it used to be. So its a niche channel right there. And I bet with economy and job market being so bad, folks are dropping luxuries like cable nationwide, or at least paring down the packages they do have. The LAST thing anyone here wants to see it TCM go away! Can you imagine what that would be like??? How many movies would simply be lost to the ages????

I say, let them do box set film blocks like this. Warner must pay for the prime time "hawking", and it helps sell these sets, which will hopefully get more sets released in the future....I'll get upset when it's a night of Adam Sandler films showing....

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Hey, as long as they continue showing movies without commercials, I won't be complaining too loudly about "commercialism". People who don't live in North America generally don't have such a great selection of classic movies on cable; most of the foreign-based feeds of TCM don't show anywhere near as many classics, nor so many relatively obscure titles.

 

Classic movie fans in some of those countries can't really rent many DVD titles, either, so the only option for them is to buy them online and pay for international shipping.

 

I really do think we have it way better here in North America than classic movie fans anywhere else in the world.

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> {quote:title=musicalnovelty wrote:}{quote}

> Holly:

> Nothing bad, I hope! (I confess being a big Sonja Henie fan!).

 

I'm really happy I've at least had the chance to record the Henie movies off FMC, because I think most of them aren't even on DVD yet. I'd love to get to know all of her movies well, she was really a unique performer.

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An entire night of Esther Williams makes that old 500 channels bit sound good.

Thank goodness there were more interesting things to watch tonight, the tie-breaker

ballgame, Parking Wars, and paint drying.

 

I remember reading somewhere that when MGM auctioned off some of her old bathing

suits, turned out they were...um...padded. It's not nice to fool Mother Nature.

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