Noir Alley

[jameselliot]

1 hour ago, ElCid said:

Watched Hit and Run and not a bad movie and probably not the worst I have seen on Noir Alley.  I didn't turn it off and watched all of it so that's a plus. Although it does echo The Postman Rings Twice too much.  

As for Cleo Moore, while not outstanding I have always liked her.  She was pretty good in Over-Exposed and even in One Girl's Confession, another Haas production.   As for Haas, so-so as an actor.

The lion tamer, Delores Reed, was about as dull as dishwater.

Delores (left) was more dynamic in the goofball comedy Invasion of the Star Creatures.

[Dargo]

37 minutes ago, Thompson said:

Katherine Hepburn who’s never been in a noir as far as I know.

While it might not be "listed" or "considered by many" as being such, I've always felt 1942's The Keeper of the Flame has SO many noir elements, both in its storyline AND in its cinematography, that I'VE always thought of it as being one anyway, Thompson.

[Thompson]

2 minutes ago, Dargo said:

While it might not be "listed" or "considered by many" as being such, I've always felt 1942's The Keeper of the Flame has SO many noir elements, both in its storyline AND in its cinematography, that I'VE always thought of it as being one anyway, Thompson.

The mystery of what Spencer Tracy saw in her is unsolvable.

[Dargo]

8 minutes ago, Thompson said:

The mystery of what Spencer Tracy saw in her is unsolvable.

Nah, not really...well, at least for me anyway.

Ya see Thompson ol' boy, besides those terrific cheekbones of hers, I've always liked her (for want of a better word here) "spunk" she so often displayed in her film performances.

(...ah, but it appears that you are probably more of the same mind as one Lou Grant in this regard, eh?!)   

LOL

[Thompson]

2 minutes ago, Dargo said:

Nah, not really...well, at least for me anyway.

Ya see, besides those terrific cheekbones of hers, I've always liked her (for want of a better word here) "spunk" she often displayed in her film performances.

(...ah, but it appears that you are probably more of the same mind as one Lou Grant in this regard, eh?!)   

LOL

My mother, may she Rest In Peace, dressed in the same clothes as Mary Tyler Moore.  I didn’t like my mother much and Mary Tyler Moore is not funny.  Sure she had spunk but that rhymes with skunk, if you are referring to her, Dargo.  Give me Jennifer Jason Leigh in Last Exit to Brooklyn.  That’s a good movie, real close to the classic novel by Hubert Selby.

[Hellzapoppin]

31 minutes ago, Dargo said:

While it might not be "listed" or "considered by many" as being such, I've always felt 1942's The Keeper of the Flame has SO many noir elements, both in its storyline AND in its cinematography, that I'VE always thought of it as being one anyway, Thompson.

 

1 hour ago, Thompson said:

 Katherine Hepburn who’s never been in a noir as far as I know., thank goodness. 

How about Undercurrent (1946) starring Katherine Hepburn, Robert Taylor and Robert Mitchum?  I think that would qualify as noir.

  

[Dargo]

5 minutes ago, Hellzapoppin said:

 

How about Undercurrent (1946) starring Katherine Hepburn, Robert Taylor and Robert Mitchum?  I think that would qualify as noir.

  

Yes, it would, Hellza.

(...good addition here)

[Eucalyptus P. Millstone]

38 minutes ago, Thompson said:

The mystery of what Spencer Tracy saw in her is unsolvable.

Well, if the documentary Scotty and the Secret History of Hollywood can be believed (a BIG if, IMO), the "romance" between Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn was manufactured.

Spence ♥️ Kate: A Tale of Two Beards

[midwestan]

2 hours ago, Dargo said:

 

(btw, did anyone else notice how TCM cut off the last few seconds of TPART last night and then suddenly there was Mankiewicz doing his outtro of it?)

Yes, I noticed this.  I wonder what was up with that?  It seemed like we were in a bit of a time skip.

[Thompson]

How anybody would want to kiss her is beyond me.  At the same time how anybody would would want to kiss me is way beyond the beyond.  So we even out. How do you guys and gals post all these cool clips of the movies?  Never mind, I can’t even navigate the other threads, which is a plus for all involved.

[LsDoorMat]

4 hours ago, ElCid said:

Watched Hit and Run and not a bad movie and probably not the worst I have seen on Noir Alley.  I didn't turn it off and watched all of it so that's a plus. Although it does echo The Postman Rings Twice too much.  

As for Cleo Moore, while not outstanding I have always liked her.  She was pretty good in Over-Exposed and even in One Girl's Confession, another Haas production.   As for Haas, so-so as an actor.

The lion tamer, Delores Reed, was about as dull as dishwater.

I'm not going to complain too much as long as Eddie is doing the wrap around.

I figure we are lucky that David Zaslav, CEO of WB/Discovery, hasn't cancelled Noir Alley and replaced it with celebrity mud wrestling. 

[LsDoorMat]

1 hour ago, Eucalpytus P. Millstone said:

Well, if the documentary Scotty and the Secret History of Hollywood can be believed (a BIG if, IMO), the "romance" between Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn was manufactured.

Spence ♥️ Kate: A Tale of Two Beards

I've heard this before and I am unconvinced. Why would Hepburn, after Spence's first and only actual wife died, bother to make an entire documentary about their great love and life together?  She had apparently promised his family she would say nothing public about their relationship until the wife died. 

[ElCid]

3 hours ago, jameselliot said:

Delores (left) was more dynamic in the goofball comedy Invasion of the Star Creatures.

Found Invasion on YouTube for $9 or for free.  Guess which one I chose.  The quality of the one I watched was pretty good.  But not a good movie at all.  She was better or at least on screen more, but still not impressive as an actor.  I can see why she never made acting a career.

One thing is that apparently Reed was fairly tall as was the blonde and they paired them with short guys for emphasis.

[ElCid]

3 minutes ago, LsDoorMat said:

I've heard this before and I am unconvinced. Why would Hepburn, after Spence's first and only actual wife died, bother to make an entire documentary about their great love and life together?  She had apparently promised his family she would say nothing public about their relationship until the wife died. 

I realize this is pedantic, but it upsets me.  There is no such thing as first and only.  If she was his only wife, she was also his first wife.  

This is really overused incorrect phrase.

[Vautrin]

Bring back SUTS. Hit and Run wasn't  actually bad,  it was  just kind  of boring. Things did perk  up a bit with  the introduction of

the  twin  brother, but that's  not  saying  much. Vince and  Cleo were  two of the dumbest  criminals in noir  and that's saying  a

lot  since many  noir  guys are  pretty stupid. All  they had to  do was  to keep their big  yaps  shut but they couldn't even manage

to do  that. I  noticed that both Vince  and  the lion tamer  gulp their beers, not waiting  for the  foam to go down. Whatever.

It was  funny when  the lion tamer in her atomic  bomb bra walks  out  of  the bar and   each guy spins  around  to  watch  her.  I've

already seen  the movie  that is going to  be on next week. It's much better than this  warmed over plate of tripe. 

[cigarjoe]

3 hours ago, Thompson said:

Last Exit to Brooklyn

That was a weird movie.  It just seems a bit off to me as a New Yorker.  I don't think some of the characters in the way they were depicted in that time period were realistic.  I think I'd have to read the book for a comparison.

[Eucalyptus P. Millstone]

3 hours ago, Thompson said:

How anybody would want to kiss her is beyond me . . .

Thompson, I share your attitude re Katherine Hepburn. To me, she is unappealing looks-wise, movie persona-wise and image-wise, and icon-wise.

3 hours ago, Thompson said:

. . .  How do you guys and gals post all these cool clips of the movies? . . .

Here's how to insert images:

Inserting Video Clips in Your Message

To insert video clips on, for example, YouTube in your message:

1. On YouTube, place your cursor (pointer) in the address bar of your Web browser.

2. Highlight the entire YouTube address:

• (Windows) Simultaneously press the ctrl and A keys on your keyboard.
• (Macintosh) Simultaneously press the command and A keys.

3. When the entire address is highlighted, copy the address:

• (Windows) Simultaneously press the ctrl and C keys on your keyboard.
• (Macintosh) Simultaneously press the command and C keys.

4. Place your cursor inside your TCM Message Board message, then paste the YouTube address:

• (Windows) Simultaneously press the ctrl and V keys on your keyboard.
• (Macintosh) Simultaneously press the command and V keys.

The video clip appears in your message.

Here is the address for the following video clip:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLW-ZmWykr8

 

 

 

 

 

[laffite]

So Leonard thought this was a BOMB. Well, he has to, he has a wide general audience with his books. But I'm sure that Leonard realized that there a lot of noir junkies who might like it, or get through it, or maybe just tolerate it. I don't see myself as a noir junkie but I liked it.  Cleo Moore's looks carried weight for me. She can't act but I am impressed with the fact that she didn't try to. Her best work was just sitting there and have random shots of her to be used whenever. She is best when she doesn't know if the camera is on her or not. But did I say how pretty she is?

Hugo Hass is not a bad actor.  Nobody thinks so but I give him a lot of credit.  He is spontaneous and natural.  I've seen plenty of actors a lot worse that he is thought to be.  I enjoyed watching him.  . 

That lion tamer is nothing less than astonishing. Hollywood couldn't find more for her to do?

I am looking for my next Hugo Haas/Cleo Moore movie If I can find one.

[Dargo]

8 hours ago, Vautrin said:

Vince and  Cleo were  two of the dumbest  criminals in noir  and that's saying  a

lot  since many  noir  guys are  pretty stupid.

Speaking of Vince (Edwards) here...here's a question for ya:

Did the guy ever play any character that couldn't best be described as being "sullen"?

Heck, if I recall correctly, he pretty much played the role he's best known for, TV's Ben Casey, in that same manner almost all the time as well.

(...worked for my older sister Diana anyway...I remember her telling me that she thought he was just about the hottest thing out there back then)

[ElCid]

7 hours ago, laffite said:

So Leonard thought this was a BOMB. Well, he has to, he has a wide general audience with his books. But I'm sure that Leonard realized that there a lot of noir junkies who might like it, or get through it, or maybe just tolerate it. I don't see myself as a noir junkie but I liked it.  Cleo Moore's looks carried weight for me. She can't act but I am impressed with the fact that she didn't try to. Her best work was just sitting there and have random shots of her to be used whenever. She is best when she doesn't know if the camera is on her or not. But did I say how pretty she is?

Hugo Hass is not a bad actor.  Nobody thinks so but I give him a lot of credit.  He is spontaneous and natural.  I've seen plenty of actors a lot worse that he is thought to be.  I enjoyed watching him.  . 

That lion tamer is nothing less than astonishing. Hollywood couldn't find more for her to do?

I am looking for my next Hugo Haas/Cleo Moore movie If I can find one.

You need to see Cleo in Over-Exposed and One Girl's Confession, especially Over-Exposed.  She comes across much better in both of them.  While Cleo is "exposed" a lot in Over-Exposed, it is about a woman who becomes a photographer in nightclubs and moves up to being a professional photographer.

Cleo and Haas are both in One Girl's Confession.  Haas has not connection to Over-Exposed and wonder if that is why Cleo had a better performance.

Invasion of the Star Creatures is on YouTube for free if you want more of Delores Reed, but she is not much better there and it is a pretty silly movie.  I think this and Anybody Can Play are her only other movies, but supposedly was in Party Girl. 

The trivia section on IMDb is pretty interesting.  She was 5'9" tall which may have limited her roles.  Although from what I have seen, she was not much of an actress.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0715393/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

[Thompson]

Vautrin, you say the next one is a good one?  I’m feelin’ kinda peaked right now.  And I know if I croak out you will continue the study of drinks drunk wrong.  I have short term goals, so if I can just make it to next Sunday . . . Oh yeah, the head on beers are are a pain in the ars but the waiting time for the head to fade is Unbearable.  You can’t wait, you disregard the head and move in to drink the beer.

[Vautrin]

15 hours ago, Dargo said:

Speaking of Vince (Edwards) here...here's a question for ya:

Did the guy ever play any character that couldn't best be described as being "sullen"?

Heck, if I recall correctly, he pretty much played the role he's best known for, TV's Ben Casey, in that same manner almost all the time as well.

(...worked for my older sister Diana anyway...I remember her telling me that she thought he was just about the hottest thing out there back then)

I haven't seen a ton of Vince Edwards'  movies,  but in the few I  have seen he  is kind of  surly. I'm talking  about his earlier films where he plays

a young punk with a smart mouth and an  eye for the  ladies. He is  believable in these  roles. I was  a little too young  to be into Ben Casey/Dr. Kildare,

though  I do  recall that both  actors were big  with the teeny bopper crowd. Plus  I've never liked hospital TV  shows. 

[Vautrin]

38 minutes ago, Thompson said:

Vautrin, you say the next one is a good one?  I’m feelin’ kinda peaked right now.  And I know if I croak out you will continue the study of drinks drunk wrong.  I have short term goals, so if I can just make it to next Sunday . . . Oh yeah, the head on beers are are a pain in the ars but the waiting time for the head to fade is Unbearable.  You can’t wait, you disregard the head and move in to drink the beer.

Well I liked  it, but that doesn't mean everyone will. Obsession(UK)/The Hidden Room(US) (1949) is another triangle plot with the hubby planning to knock off

his rival in a rather novel  way. It's not one of  those gritty noirs, more of a sedate English murder film, so  some people  may find it  a little too deliberate in

its pacing. Robert Newton plays the husband and  manages to  restrain his appetite for ham  for the most part. I'm  guessing that the drinking will be  mostly

confined to whiskey  and  sodas as Newton is an upper class type. I'm not a big  beer  drinker,  but  I usually tipped  the  glass a little ways  forward so  the beer

will flow a bit ahead  of the  foam. Cheers.

[laffite]

On 9/4/2022 at 10:10 AM, Thompson said:

Cleo Moore is not my type, blond and buxom, but she sure beats the heck out of that chatterbox Katherine Hepburn who’s never been in a noir as far as I know., thank goodness.  

Probably not mine either but i couldn't get over that face.  To which you allude, her silence was appealing. She doesn't act out like so many roles like that do. Those period and rapid screen shots made her look appealing. She is not to me just another 1950 blonde Bombshell face.   Yes to the KH thing.

EDITEDl  Anyone notice that waist.  Minuscule.

[Dargo]

23 hours ago, Vautrin said:

I've already seen  the movie  that is going to  be on next week.

Yeah, but don't ya still think that model railroad setup that Robert Newton* has in it is pretty cool?!

(...*-hamming it up again in this one, but in THIS case just enough so to make this movie more enjoyable than it would otherwise be)