Vautrin Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 6 hours ago, misswonderly3 said: Perhaps he was trying to figure out a way to make a new size-enhancing bra stuffed with coal. I don't know. That would have been one messy undergarment. Too bad no one was making a Popeye serial back in the day. I believe Ms. Dixon would have made a great Olive Oyl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffite Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 8:25 AM, calvinnme said: Lorna, if you connect all of your comments on "Party Girl" together, you have the makings of a formidable review. YES! You seem to be on a roll. How about one of those patented full-page blurbs a la NTFT ... it would be a scream. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brrrcold Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 On 6/6/2018 at 1:28 PM, Bronxgirl48 said: Am I the only person who thinks Eddie Muller is a self-important doofus? Who picks "The Letter" -- a great William Wyler film with one of Bette Davis' best performances -- as part of the noir genre? (and is there anything more annoying than Muller shilling the silly, ill-advised TCM Wine Club with the equally obnoxious Tenaya Darlington?) This guy thinks he's the cat's meow! Not going to take position on EM, though I think the whole noir thing is being overplayed by TCM; but that chef is truly annoying. Please bring back Claire Tooley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffite Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 On 7/11/2018 at 7:47 PM, misswonderly3 said: I don't know what the movie is like, but the book has to be one of the most dismal ever written.? Do try it, it's pretty good. This would never be termed a tear-jerk buy I experienced one of my rare choke-ups in the last scene. It has a very Technicolor look to it (which I like) and Yul is a good Dimitri. Cobb is pretty disgusting, especially for 1958. Another good reason to watch is that Maria Schell is tolerable. She does however give one of those ultra-sentimental looks (about the time of my choking up though she had nothing to do with that) that resembles the perfection of an Ava at the end of Showboat, but not nearly is good. William Shatner is the youngest of the brothers and is a crashing bore, but what can you expect from a clergyman. Claire Bloom is in it too but i can's seem to remember her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misswonderly3 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Brrrcold said: Not going to take position on EM, though I think the whole noir thing is being overplayed by TCM; but that chef is truly annoying. Please bring back Claire Tooley. If you think "the whole noir thing is being overplayed by TCM", I'm curious to know why you're reading this thread. Still, I must admit, sometimes I think a lot of people have jumped on the noir bandwagon in the last few years .I don't mean on TCM, just in general. I first discovered film noir back in the '80s. I absolutely loved it, and watched everything noir I could find (like on TVO's "Saturday Night at the Movies", and also, searching out video rental places that had noirs- those were the days ! ) So, I'm not claiming I'm any kind of expert on this subject, I still have a lot to learn and many more unwatched as yet noirs to see. But I have noticed that, over the past 10 years or so, and especially with the almost exponential crazy increase in internet and social media use, a lot more people seem to have discovered this type of movie and almost all of them seem to have something to say about it. I am glad that noir is getting its due and is now recognized and appreciated in a way it wasn't until, oh I don't know, maybe around 2006 or so ( that's an arbitrary date I picked). All this is by way of saying, if your point was that you think film noir has become kind of trendy and cool, I'd have to agree. But that doesn't take away from what good , interesting, unique movies they are. And as for Turner Classic Movies, I'm really happy that they show a lot of film noir movies, and am extremely grateful for Eddie Muller and Noir Alley. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brrrcold Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 "Overplayed" because it's 4-5 hours per week of programming but 25% of the on-air personalities and (my estimate) 10% of the promotional effort. I don't mind the noir movies, but in fact most of them are not very good quality - just odd or shocking. If the programmers devoted as much of their effort to another genre or sub-genre (eg., 'pre-code' or 'screwball' or 'grindhouse') the point would be the same. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristineHoard Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brrrcold said: "Overplayed" because it's 4-5 hours per week of programming but 25% of the on-air personalities and (my estimate) 10% of the promotional effort. I don't mind the noir movies, but in fact most of them are not very good quality - just odd or shocking. If the programmers devoted as much of their effort to another genre or sub-genre (eg., 'pre-code' or 'screwball' or 'grindhouse') the point would be the same. TCM may not show much in the "grindhouse" genre (except some for Underground) but plenty of "pre-code" and "screwball". It's all film history along with musicals, horror, SF, war flicks, romances, historical dramas, comedies, etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LornaHansonForbes Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Dang. ROADBLOCK has not shown up on TCM OnDemand, even though the schedule said it would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misswonderly3 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Brrrcold said: ...I don't mind the noir movies, but in fact most of them are not very good quality - just odd or shocking. If the programmers devoted as much of their effort to another genre or sub-genre (eg., 'pre-code' or 'screwball' or 'grindhouse') the point would be the same. Hmm. Wonder how you define "very good quality". There's no question that most noirs are distinctly low-budget, and not big on what is called "production values". But that's partly why I like them. However, what kind of movies one likes is extremely individual and personal, so there's no point in trying to argue that film noir movies are "good" - it all depends on what one considers to be "good" in film. I will say, though, that for me, noirs have a fascination, an attraction that I'm not sure I can even put into words. Even a relatively mediocre noir can engage my interest. I won't go into it in this post (it would take too long), but there's something about this kind of movie, especially the ones from the "classic" noir period, that has a tremendous emotional appeal for me. It's like what cigarjoe here says: Every movie is kind of like a tuning fork, and if the viewer is attuned to what that movie is sending, they'll make a connection. Not everyone is "attuned" to every cinematic "tuning fork"...oh what the hell, cigarjoe, it would be better if you explained this theory. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepiatone Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 23 hours ago, TheCid said: . While Mitchum is one of my favorite actors, Night of the Hunter is not my kind of movie and definitely not Noir. I too, never though of that movie as "noir" . But then whomever SAID that ALL "Noir" movie HAVE to be "forties and/or Fedoras"? Sepiatone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarjoe Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Quote I will say, though, that for me, noirs have a fascination, an attraction that I'm not sure I can even put into words. Even a relatively mediocre noir can engage my interest. I won't go into it in this post (it would take too long), but there's something about this kind of movie, especially the ones from the "classic" noir period, that has a tremendous emotional appeal for me. For me, part of it is it's visual style and the seedy characters, but the post war noirs began to move out of the studios and into the real streets, the run down neighborhoods (Bunker Hill, etc., etc.) the subways, the elevateds. Angels Flight, the train stations, the desert truck stops, diners, gas stations, a time capsule of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Las Vegas. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarjoe Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Quote It's like what cigarjoe here says: Every movie is kind of like a tuning fork, and if the viewer is attuned to what that movie is sending, they'll make a connection. Not everyone is "attuned" to every cinematic "tuning fork"...oh what the hell, cigarjoe, it would be better if you explained this theory. "...what makes a Noir/Neo Noir is an individual internal factor. It's subjectivity. Noir is in all of us. Think of us all as having an internal tuning fork, these tuning forks are forged by our life experiences which are all unique. When we watch these films their degree of Noir-ness resonates with us differently, so we either "tune" to them or we don't. The amount of "tuning" (I'm appropriating this term from the Neo Noir Dark City (1998)) to certain films will vary between us all also." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brrrcold Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 11 hours ago, misswonderly3 said: Hmm. Wonder how you define "very good quality". There's no question that most noirs are distinctly low-budget, and not big on what is called "production values". But that's partly why I like them. However, what kind of movies one likes is extremely individual and personal, so there's no point in trying to argue that film noir movies are "good" - it all depends on what one considers to be "good" in film. I will say, though, that for me, noirs have a fascination, an attraction that I'm not sure I can even put into words. Even a relatively mediocre noir can engage my interest. I won't go into it in this post (it would take too long), but there's something about this kind of movie, especially the ones from the "classic" noir period, that has a tremendous emotional appeal for me. It's like what cigarjoe here says: Every movie is kind of like a tuning fork, and if the viewer is attuned to what that movie is sending, they'll make a connection. Not everyone is "attuned" to every cinematic "tuning fork"...oh what the hell, cigarjoe, it would be better if you explained this theory. Well, this is my point. I have no objection to noir. There are some I like quite a lot. And it's fine that these movies have a place in the schedule. ... but why noir movies and not westerns? or precode gangster films? I'm not asking for anything - just observing that noir has been given a different priority on TCM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brrrcold Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 In fact, my main point was that the lady chef is really annoying. No way I'd want to drink wine with her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarjoe Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, Brrrcold said: Well, this is my point. I have no objection to noir. There are some I like quite a lot. And it's fine that these movies have a place in the schedule. ... but why noir movies and not westerns? or precode gangster films? I'm not asking for anything - just observing that noir has been given a different priority on TCM. Dark times call for dark subjects.... it goes with the zeitgeist. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepiatone Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 15 hours ago, Brrrcold said: I don't mind the noir movies, but in fact most of them are not very good quality - No? By WHOM'S standard? I imagine TCM's programming is based on simple principles..... What's available, viewer feedback and whatever other info gathered from letters, e-mails and what's possibly posted in these forums or the inevitable "social media". So, if you or anyone else feels there's "too much" noir shown on the channel, it could be that "too many" viewers give the most positive feedback about it. Sepiatone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibi Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 14 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said: Dang. ROADBLOCK has not shown up on TCM OnDemand, even though the schedule said it would. Hope you get a chance to see it and share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibi Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, cigarjoe said: For me, part of it is it's visual style and the seedy characters, but the post war noirs began to move out of the studios and into the real streets, the run down neighborhoods (Bunker Hill, etc., etc.) the subways, the elevateds. Angels Flight, the train stations, the desert truck stops, diners, gas stations, a time capsule of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Las Vegas. Yes, I love the on location shooting and trying to spot LA locations (or elsewhere)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElCid Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 16 hours ago, Brrrcold said: "Overplayed" because it's 4-5 hours per week of programming but 25% of the on-air personalities and (my estimate) 10% of the promotional effort. I don't mind the noir movies, but in fact most of them are not very good quality - just odd or shocking. If the programmers devoted as much of their effort to another genre or sub-genre (eg., 'pre-code' or 'screwball' or 'grindhouse') the point would be the same. As best I can remember Noir has been a significant component of TCM presentations since its inception. As for quality, they are some of my favorite movies. There have been many, many DVD's and DVD sets made specifically of Noir movies - and still being made. So somebody must think they are a "quality" product. What do you mean by odd or shocking? Incidentally, please continue to comment, but don't be surprised with some disagree with you. 14 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said: Dang. ROADBLOCK has not shown up on TCM OnDemand, even though the schedule said it would. I watched it Monday on TCM On Demand at tcm.com. However it is not available on TCM On Demand on my Spectrum cable system. 1 hour ago, Brrrcold said: Well, this is my point. I have no objection to noir. There are some I like quite a lot. And it's fine that these movies have a place in the schedule. ... but why noir movies and not westerns? or precode gangster films? I'm not asking for anything - just observing that noir has been given a different priority on TCM. The programmers do devote a lot of effort to pre-code, screwball comedies, musicals, westerns and most other genres. Never have really been sure of what grindhouse is, but seems to me it is very cheaply made, poorly produced, poorly written and primarily features (or promises to) scantily clad women, sexual situation, extreme violence or mutilation. I think the difference is that they have not had the format of Noir Alley for those in the past. However, there have been times when they had blocks of pre-code, gangster, westerns, musicals, foreign, screwball comedies, etc. Go to this site (or tcm.com) and sign up for Now Playing Guide. It may help you to find the genres you are seeking and the blocks of featured genres. It is emailed once per month and this email needs to be in your contacts list. https://us-mg205.mail.yahoo.com/app/minty/compose?to-field=nowplaying@siteservices.tcm.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffite Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 On 7/12/2018 at 7:53 AM, Hibi said: LOL. I will sometimes drift off for a few mins, but nothing on tv really puts me to sleep........ Watch a lot of airplane landings on uTube. Then when trying to sleep imagine yourself inside an airplane creating the landscape in your head as you gaze out the port. Soothing, maybe? Sometimes imagery can be a help with some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibi Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 LOL. None of those mind tricks work......(for me anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffite Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 On 7/16/2018 at 5:26 AM, TheCid said: While Mitchum is one of my favorite actors, Night of the Hunter is not my kind of movie ... I sense an affinity. Not my kind of movie either, nor Beware, My Lovely. Can't stand either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarjoe Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Try the Classic Film solution, a night cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesJazGuitar Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, cigarjoe said: Try the Classic Film solution, a night cap. You mean a wine cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarjoe Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, jamesjazzguitar said: You mean a wine cap. Wine, a beer, a shot..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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