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One year since the Taliban took back Afghanistan

A year ago, U.S. troops withdrew from Afghanistan, a chaotic end to America's longest war — and a turning point in the Biden presidency, a moment when his approval ratings fell, and never fully recovered.

The White House plans to mark the anniversary of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan later this month. President Biden wants to recognize and honor U.S. service members and allies who served during two decades of war.

It's a moment remembered by many Americans for images of crowds of desperate Afghans at the Kabul airport. Some chased a U.S. Air Force plane, some even hanging on as it took off — and tragically fell to their deaths. A suicide bombing killed 13 U.S. service members.

"Every president has a crisis early in their terms," said John Gans, a former Pentagon official who has written about White Houses during times of war.

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It's been one year since Joe Biden bungled Afghanistan and turned it over to the Taliban. Our worst military debacle since Vietnam.

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Can you imagine the even worse chaos if they had obeyed Trump's order to clear out by Jan. 15 with about 3 weeks notice.

At least there are not even more people dying over there if they had stayed and broken the Trump/Pompeo deal with the Taliban.

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1 hour ago, MovieMadness said:

One year since the Taliban took back Afghanistan

A year ago, U.S. troops withdrew from Afghanistan, a chaotic end to America's longest war — and a turning point in the Biden presidency, a moment when his approval ratings fell, and never fully recovered.

The White House plans to mark the anniversary of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan later this month. President Biden wants to recognize and honor U.S. service members and allies who served during two decades of war.

It's a moment remembered by many Americans for images of crowds of desperate Afghans at the Kabul airport. Some chased a U.S. Air Force plane, some even hanging on as it took off — and tragically fell to their deaths. A suicide bombing killed 13 U.S. service members.

"Every president has a crisis early in their terms," said John Gans, a former Pentagon official who has written about White Houses during times of war.

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It's been one year since Joe Biden bungled Afghanistan and turned it over to the Taliban. Our worst military debacle since Vietnam.

 

We (like other countries) don't like losing wars...no brainer. Obama should had pulled us out after achieving the objective, killing Bin Laden. Excuses, excuses why that wasn't done.  Want us to stay there for everlasting? Was NOT our job to physically protect  a small enclave of democracy where is absolutely wasn't wanted.  One of those "what where you thinking?"

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3 hours ago, hamradio said:

 

We (like other countries) don't like losing wars...no brainer. Obama should had pulled us out after achieving the objective, killing Bin Laden. Excuses, excuses why that wasn't done.  Want us to stay there for everlasting? Was NOT our job to physically protect  a small enclave of democracy where is absolutely wasn't wanted.  One of those "what where you thinking?"

1. We didn't lose. We surrendered.

2. A generation came of age during the democracy we brought, and they - most especially the girls and young women - lost the freedoms they had known all their lives. They are enslaved now. 

3. Maybe it wasn't "our job" but it had become our responsibility, and maintaining it would not have come at nearly as great a cost as the "forever wars" crowd likes to say. 

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3 minutes ago, LuckyDan said:

1. We didn't lose. We surrendered.

2. A generation came of age during the democracy we brought, and they - most especially the girls and young women - lost the freedoms they had known all their life. They are enslaved now. 

3. Maybe it wasn't "our job" but it had become our responsibility, and maintaining it would not have come at nearly as great a cost as the "forever wars" crowd likes to say. 

 

We simply left.  Afghanistan has never been conquered - even Genghis Khan failed.

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4 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

One year since the Taliban took back Afghanistan

A year ago, U.S. troops withdrew from Afghanistan, a chaotic end to America's longest war — and a turning point in the Biden presidency, a moment when his approval ratings fell, and never fully recovered.

The White House plans to mark the anniversary of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan later this month. President Biden wants to recognize and honor U.S. service members and allies who served during two decades of war.

It's a moment remembered by many Americans for images of crowds of desperate Afghans at the Kabul airport. Some chased a U.S. Air Force plane, some even hanging on as it took off — and tragically fell to their deaths. A suicide bombing killed 13 U.S. service members.

"Every president has a crisis early in their terms," said John Gans, a former Pentagon official who has written about White Houses during times of war.

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It's been one year since Joe Biden bungled Afghanistan and turned it over to the Taliban. Our worst military debacle since Vietnam.

Wrong again!  Why do you keep bringing this fake post up.

Donald Trump wanted the US military out of Afghanistan before he left office, but he was too incompetent to get it done.  He would have "bungled" it even more.

Also, the Afghan government, military, law enforcement and people "bungled"  Afghanistan and the evacuation.  Not the US and not Biden.

Of course, you have never served in the military or in government so you haven't got a clue about reality.

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They can  have  it. Thank goodness we're out of that quicksand  hellhole. Sure the pullout  was  pretty messed  up, though it  was

likely to be somewhat unorganized no matter what happened. 

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1 hour ago, Sukhov said:

It is actually not entirely true to say "we left Afghanistan" since civilians are still being killed by drone strikes.

https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/deadly-drones-killer-trollies/

To cut down on civilian casualties, using drones armed with special missiles which don't use explosive charges, how we killed Ayman al-Zawahiri,   Sometimes civilian deaths can't be avoided because terrorist like to hide behind women and children.

Just because we left doesn't mean Afghanistan and other countries who harbor terrorist won't be attacked.

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LMREO at the bottom line - SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS

NO  S***!!

 

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6 hours ago, LuckyDan said:

1. We didn't lose. We surrendered.

2. A generation came of age during the democracy we brought, and they - most especially the girls and young women - lost the freedoms they had known all their lives. They are enslaved now. 

3. Maybe it wasn't "our job" but it had become our responsibility, and maintaining it would not have come at nearly as great a cost as the "forever wars" crowd likes to say. 

We weren't there to conquer. The British tried, the Soviets tried, that simply cannot be done.

8 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

It's been one year since Joe Biden bungled Afghanistan and turned it over to the Taliban. Our worst military debacle since Vietnam.

There is no way to neatly leave a war. I thought Biden was great.

We can't solve all the world's problems. We can't even solve our own.

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1 hour ago, GGGGerald said:

There is no way to neatly leave a war. I thought Biden was great.

The exit of Afghanistan was completely mishandled.    It was worst than Jimmy Carter's attempt to free the Iranian hostages.   YES,  the USA needed to get out of Afghanistan and complete the agreement the Trump admin had made with the Taliban.   BUT that being said,   the so called exit strategy was poorly planned,  and the said execution was similar to the keystone cops!

Man,  if one can't see that they are a Biden admin apologist on steroids.  

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3 minutes ago, JamesJazGuitar said:

The exit of Afghanistan was completely mishandled.    It was worst than Jimmy Carter's attempt to free the Iranian hostages.   YES,  the USA needed to get out of Afghanistan and complete the agreement the ****'s admin had made with the Taliban.   BUT that being said,   the so called exit strategy was poorly planned,  and the said execution was similar to the keystone cops!

Man,  if one can't see that they are a Biden admin apologist on steroids.  

Every war exit looks bad. Because the moment the citizens realize we are leaving, they panic. And there is no secret or orderly way to do it except to do it.

Nope, nothing worse than Carter's rescue attempt.

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3 minutes ago, GGGGerald said:

Every war exit looks bad. Because the moment the citizens realize we are leaving, they panic. And there is no secret or orderly way to do it except to do it.

Nope, nothing worse than Carter's rescue attempt.

Well we can agree-to-disagree;    I find the statement of "every war exit looks bad" to be beyond silly.   

PS:  why not just say "it would have been worst under Trump".

 

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36 minutes ago, JamesJazGuitar said:

The exit of Afghanistan was completely mishandled.    It was worst than Jimmy Carter's attempt to free the Iranian hostages.   YES,  the USA needed to get out of Afghanistan and complete the agreement the Trump admin had made with the Taliban.   BUT that being said,   the so called exit strategy was poorly planned,  and the said execution was similar to the keystone cops!

Man,  if one can't see that they are a Biden admin apologist on steroids.  

Wouldn't exactly say Iran was"mishandled", the rescue unfortunately a string of mistakes and accidents (good day to stayed in bed) including the weather in a very complex operation. Special  Ops has learned a great deal since then.  Even the  very careful planning of the raid on Bin Laden, one helicopter was lost.

This is the story behind the failed hostage rescue in Iran

https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/eagle-claw-op-failed-end-iranian-hostage-crisis/

Even though things were beyond Carter's control he did took full responsibility, the buck stops there.

....President Carter, who ordered termination of the mission, ‘accepts full responsibility for the decision to attempt the rescue,’ Powell said.”

 

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11 hours ago, JamesJazGuitar said:

The exit of Afghanistan was completely mishandled.    It was worst than Jimmy Carter's attempt to free the Iranian hostages.   YES,  the USA needed to get out of Afghanistan and complete the agreement the Trump admin had made with the Taliban.   BUT that being said,   the so called exit strategy was poorly planned,  and the said execution was similar to the keystone cops!

Man,  if one can't see that they are a Biden admin apologist on steroids.  

Another opinion from someone who has never served in the military or government.

The president does not PLAN the exit strategy.  He meets with appropriate officials from DOD, DOS, CIA and whoever else.  He says we need to do this - advise me.  Both DOD and DOS will say we need more time - they almost always do.  BUT, and this is the BUT you people keep overlooking; the president says can we do it by XX date and how do we do it?  Don't forget Biden moved the exit back at least once that we know of to give DOD and DOS more time.

DOD and DOS state that we can do it and we can do it by this date.  The president accepts that and tells them to do it.  DOD and DOJ planned and implemented the "exit strategy."  So, they are to blame for what happened.

So, as I keep saying, any problems with the "exit strategy" or how it was carried out can be blamed on DOD, DOS, CIA and other US agencies.  Couple that with the complete failure of the the Afghan government, military, law enforcement and people to do what they should have done years and years ago. 

One of the principal lessons the US learned in Vietnam was:  US can only stay so long and fight so long before US has to admit we can't win and it is time to go home.  We made a valiant effort and US forces are to be commended for their actions and devotion to duty, but time to go home.

11 hours ago, JamesJazGuitar said:

Well we can agree-to-disagree;    I find the statement of "every war exit looks bad" to be beyond silly.   

PS:  why not just say "it would have been worst under Trump".

 

1.  It would have been worse under Trump because he would have given DOD and DOS, et. al. less time to prepare.  

2.  Every war exit strategy does look bad unless you have total victory - and that has not happened since WW II.

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23 hours ago, hamradio said:

Wouldn't exactly say Iran was"mishandled", the rescue unfortunately a string of mistakes and accidents (good day to stayed in bed) including the weather in a very complex operation. Special  Ops has learned a great deal since then.  Even the  very careful planning of the raid on Bin Laden, one helicopter was lost.

This is the story behind the failed hostage rescue in Iran

https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/eagle-claw-op-failed-end-iranian-hostage-crisis/

Even though things were beyond Carter's control he did took full responsibility, the buck stops there.

....President Carter, who ordered termination of the mission, ‘accepts full responsibility for the decision to attempt the rescue,’ Powell said.”

 

I said  the exit from Afghanistan was mishandled.    I only mentioned Carter and  Iran since that is historically known as a botch operation.    Anyhow,  OK,  you're correct about Iran.   That has no impact on my point about the Biden admin and the exit from Afghanistan.

 

 

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12 hours ago, JamesJazGuitar said:

I said  the exit from Afghanistan was mishandled.    I only mentioned Carter and  Iran since that is historically known as a botch operation.    Anyhow,  OK,  you're correct about Iran.   That has no impact on my point about the Biden admin and the exit from Afghanistan.

 

 

Except that you are wrong.  I am not apologizing for Biden, as you so often imply, but pointing out that DOD and DOS along with other agencies plan, staff, prepare and conduct this type activity.

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34 minutes ago, MovieMadness said:

Joe Biden and the White House were on vacation when the withdrawal started, and bungled it badly. Just like Vietnam.

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Once again you are displaying your total hatred of Biden and Democrats.  As well as absolute misinterpretation of actual events.

Not to mention your lack of any knowledge regarding the military or diplomatic relations.  Of course, you never served in the military or worked in government.

Incidentally, helicopters became one of the primary means of military transportation by 2021.  I rode in a lot of them to get from point A to point B in the military.  I even rode in one just to get from Ft. Campbell KY to Ft. Bragg NC.

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27 minutes ago, MovieMadness said:

Joe Biden was told the plan wouldn't work and he didn't listen to the military. Instead he went on vacation and it spiraled out of control.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!  He was never told it would not work or he would not have done it.  The military would have said they could do it.  So, DOD was wrong.  The military said they wanted more time and more troops, but hell they always want more and more and more.  Then when told they can't have anymore, they come up with a plan and say they can do it.

 

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1 hour ago, MovieMadness said:

Joe Biden was told the plan wouldn't work and he didn't listen to the military. Instead he went on vacation and it spiraled out of control.

I also read that high level military personal told members of the Biden admin,  especially the Secretary of Defense and Secretary of State,   that they were highly concerned the plans for the withdrawal had flaws and should be revised.   

Also there are only 3 branches of government and the military isn't one of them;   the military falls under the executive branch with the President being the commander and chief.

 

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