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What are fascism and semi-fascism?


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Serious question.  The terms are getting thrown around a pretty good bit and it gets confusing.  The leading historical examples of fascism are probably Germany and Italy before and during WW II.  Both had a strong military component and control over businesses, industry, transportation, etc.

Merriam-Webster definition:  a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy[2][3] that rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism 

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"Social Fascism" was the historical term used by Marxist philosophers for people who nominally supported democracy but ultimately were helping the Nazis and Fascists get to power in their countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism

Fascism was itself the ideology created expressly to combat the rise of Socialism. Fascism is described as "capitalism in decay" by many on the left and historically has been supported by the middle class to codify their power.

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25 minutes ago, Sukhov said:

 

Cockshot is a Scottish marxian economist.  Interesting, sort of, but I think he overlooked that one aspect of nationalism was to prevent other countries, kings and so forth from invading your "nation."  It was a joining together for self-defense as well as other reasons he mentioned.

Regardless, what is fascism?

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1 minute ago, ElCid said:

Cockshot is a Scottish marxian economist.  Interesting, sort of, but I think he overlooked that one aspect of nationalism was to prevent other countries, kings and so forth from invading your "nation."  It was a joining together for self-defense as well as other reasons he mentioned.

Regardless, what is fascism?

I posted it because I would view Fascism as an extreme version of Nationalism. What he describes as "Nationalism" in that video, Fascism would be an even more extreme version of it where dissidence is not allowed.

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I think Biden is the Fascist. Time will tell. The problem with history is people concentrate on the end result. Remember Communism was created by a Jewish man, so Hitler used the idea but called it something else. People forget how it turned into what it did. Germany lost the first World War were hungry, poor and living in bad conditions. First it was the labor party. In Germany many Jewish people were the business owners, so it was easy to blame them just like Biden and the democrats due about the fair share. Remember Biden is claiming the businesses are price gauging. Hitler told the masses the business owners were the reason for the problems. Biden is using Hitler's playbook. Just like Hitler used Marx's playbook but convinced people he didn't. Hitler and the democrats destroy monuments, that don't agree with their philosophy. The democrats blame Trump but when brought up that Fauci flip flopped says he was following science which was adapting.  Remember some said they didn't change the rules Covid changed. (When they flip flopped) The Facebook guy says the F.B.I. used their influence to limit the laptop story. Isn't that what Hitler would do? Both sides in their extreme do things like that. If this nation wants to be great, we need to be more center. Both extremes are problematic. Great for those that believe in that philosophy but terrible for the other group.

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Are you confused Elcid or hating on me? Somebody here said there wasn't a dislike emoji. As I said time will tell. The Facebook head said a gov. agency influenced him about things. It helped Biden and the democrats. Both sides can give ex. of the others influence. If the majority of people are more center, we have to figure a way to stop both sides from extremism.

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5 minutes ago, Marysara1 said:

Are you confused ElCid or hating on me? Somebody here said there wasn't a dislike emoji. As I said time will tell. The Facebook head said a gov. agency influenced him about things. It helped Biden and the democrats. Both sides can give ex. of the others influence. If the majority of people are more center, we have to figure a way to stop both sides from extremism.

No, I use that to show that your response confuses me or that I think you are confused, but I don't want to actually respond.  In this case, you are confused.  In no way, shape or form is Biden a fascist or semi-fascist, whatever that is.  I have serious doubts that Republicans are fascist in the true sense of the political philosophy.  Although some GOP and especially Trump supporters do have fascist tendencies.  That is why I raised the question.

Unfortunately, fascist, communist, socialist, etc. have become catchwords for various people or groups who misuse the terms.

Don't believe anything you read on facebook and similar sites.  In fact, take everything on social media with some distrust unless you absolutely have confidence in the poster or can verify the post, even this site.

I do agree that extremist on both sides are the crux of the problem in America today, but it is much worse coming from the right and the Republican Party has embraced it.

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20 minutes ago, ElCid said:

Biden a fascist or semi-fascist, whatever that is

That's my point Biden said that about members of the GOP. I know because of Hitler it has a bad reputation but how did it get that way. Most things start out with a good idea and get twisted. I'm sure when Hitler wanted to get elected, he didn't mention killing Jews. Biden said some of MAGA, but his press secretary said Republicans. Both sides are doing things to increase the divide. not find common ground.

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10 minutes ago, Marysara1 said:

That's my point Biden said that about members of the GOP. I know because of Hitler it has a bad reputation but how did it get that way. Most things start out with a good idea and get twisted. I'm sure when Hitler wanted to get elected, he didn't mention killing Jews. Biden said some of MAGA, but his press secretary said Republicans. Both sides are doing things to increase the divide. not find common ground.

Actually Hitler lost elections in which he ran.  However, the NAZI Party became so influential that he was appointed Chancellor and utilized that position to stage a coup and take over the German government.

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Just now, ElCid said:

Actually Hitler lost elections in which he ran.  However, the NAZI Party became so influential that he was appointed Chancellor and utilized that position to stage a coup and take over the German government.

There's a difference when something is seen in hindsight. First, they made the Jewish people wear stars on their clothes. It should be about not letting things get out of hand. Hitler raided other countries food supply because that's why Germans were made at the Kaiser because they were starving.  If you don't want a dictatorship you have to address the problems that concern people.

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7 hours ago, Marysara1 said:

I think Biden is the Fascist. Time will tell. The problem with history is people concentrate on the end result. Remember Communism was created by a Jewish man, so Hitler used the idea but called it something else. People forget how it turned into what it did. Germany lost the first World War were hungry, poor and living in bad conditions. First it was the labor party. In Germany many Jewish people were the business owners, so it was easy to blame them just like Biden and the democrats due about the fair share. Remember Biden is claiming the businesses are price gauging. Hitler told the masses the business owners were the reason for the problems. Biden is using Hitler's playbook. Just like Hitler used Marx's playbook but convinced people he didn't. Hitler and the democrats destroy monuments, that don't agree with their philosophy. The democrats blame Trump but when brought up that Fauci flip flopped says he was following science which was adapting.  Remember some said they didn't change the rules Covid changed. (When they flip flopped) The Facebook guy says the F.B.I. used their influence to limit the laptop story. Isn't that what Hitler would do? Both sides in their extreme do things like that. If this nation wants to be great, we need to be more center. Both extremes are problematic. Great for those that believe in that philosophy but terrible for the other group.

Both Biden and Trump would be considered “Social Fascists” at least by the Marxian definition. Biden is much more comparable to an ineffectual SocDem politician like Otto Wels than he is to Hitler. Otto Wels presided as the main “opposition” in a cabinet over a depression in Germany and attempted to attack/ suppress both sides which was entirely ineffectual as the Nazis eventually overpowered him. Also it’s just entirely inaccurate to say that Hitler’s Germany was a Communist state. The only mildly left wing sector of the Nazi party was killed on the Night of the Long Knives with Gregor Strasser. 

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45 minutes ago, Marysara1 said:

There's a difference when something is seen in hindsight. First, they made the Jewish people wear stars on their clothes. It should be about not letting things get out of hand. Hitler raided other countries food supply because that's why Germans were made at the Kaiser because they were starving.  If you don't want a dictatorship you have to address the problems that concern people.

Kaiser Wilhelm abdicated in 1918 long before the Depression. A lot of what you are saying is just wrong. I know you probably don’t like foreign films (I do not think I have seen you talk film before) but “Ernst Thalmann, the Son of His Class” is a good one on Germany in that time period.

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30 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:
 
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Not ONE Republican Member of Congress came out to support Trump’s deranged tweet that he should be declared the winner of the 2020 election and immediately reinstated as president. Not a single one.

What does this have to do with this thread?

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2 minutes ago, ElCid said:

What does this have to do with this thread?

What about Trump's other offer about another Presidential election. The problem with that even if Trump won Pence would be V.P. very tense. I also wonder how popular Ms. Harris is? Another election would have to include the same teams.

 

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Just now, Marysara1 said:

What about Trump's other offer about another Presidential election. The problem with that even if Trump won Pence would be V.P. very tense. I also wonder how popular Ms. Harris is? Another election would have to include the same teams.

 

Not relevant to the topic.

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5 minutes ago, ElCid said:

Not relevant to the topic.

I think what Bogie meant was an example of Trump being a Fascist. I think both sides need to take a close look at all the facts and face the truth. Whatever it turns out to be. Take off those Rose-Colored glasses.

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