RAMBLES Part II

[MissGoddess]

What's odd is I don't care as much for Stewart's unhinged portrayal

in The Naked Spur, where he's just as obsessed though not in

a male/female way, it's about revenge. I find that performance

less nuanced and one-note, one very intense note. It tires me

a little. I actually enjoy the performances of the rest of the cast more.

 

Oh, but nothing beats his cool indifference in The Far Country

which never melts, like the ice on the mountains, until something

jars him loose. So, Bronxie and I are not so different, because he's

definitely attractive to me when he's cool.

 

In fact, I love that western so much I wish I had it on DVD. How

is it I don't? So....I just ordered it. Can't wait to watch it again.

Bet I've seen it 100 times. I am not joking.

 

Edited by: MissGoddess on Aug 20, 2010 10:39 AM

[MissGoddess]

Don't worry Peacemaker, there's no way you'll miss "Baby" this time.

And yes, "Baby" would be perfect for Grimes. Tailor made, you might

say.

[JackFavell]

Oh now I HAVE to go take a look at *You Never Can Tell*. Joyce Holden? Ah, I knew it was a "Sothern" accent.... oooh. sorry.

 

I even used that voice in a children's book I used to read to Alice when she was little, called The Happy Chicks..... well they weren't happy, actually they got lost in the barnyard. I did lots of voices for that one. The mother Hen was Marlyn Monroe, the horse was Joyce Holden, the pig was Mae West, The Robin was Cary Grant.....it was a lot of fun, and I created a back story of how Marilyn and Cary got together at the end of the book.

 

Glad to hear you like Ben too. Your description was lovely!

 

This morning I watched Kate in *Spitfire*, a movie I like even though it's all wrong. And guess who was in it? Flutterless Ralph Bellamy AND Robert Young.

 

You are killing me with these songs! You two need to get an act together. Or head down Tin Pan Alley.

 

I tend to side with Bronxie about Jimmy in Vertigo, he's just too pent up, uptight for me here. Seeing it straight through (instead of in little bits and pieces) a year or so ago was a revelation - it is a MASTERPIECE, all capitals. My sympathy lies with everyone, and no one. As I see it over again, I feel more empathy for the characters. This is a movie to watch straight through with no interruptions......but not too often..... that would be weird.

 

Edited by: JackFavell on Aug 20, 2010 11:07 AM

 

Edited by: JackFavell on Aug 20, 2010 11:07 AM because my post made no sense. Agh! Too early!

[rohanaka]

> {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote}

> And yes, "Baby" would be perfect for Grimes. Tailor made, you might

> say.

 

 

HA!!!! :p

[redriver]

There once was a girl from The Bronx!

 

I haven't seen "The Dick Powell Dog Movie" in more than forty years! Didn't even remember the title. YOU NEVER CAN TELL, hunh? So sorry I missed it. I'm guessing it doesn't exist on video. I bet my dog, Sugar, would like it, though her favorite movie is COOL HAND LUKE! I hope you get to see "Destry" soon. It's very well written; quirky, clever and adventurous. Once I get past the super-duper westerns, THE SEARCHERS, SHANE, so forth, "Destry" is high on my list.

 

How are you doing since Woody strode into your life? (Great! I've become one of the girls!)

[JackFavell]

*You Never Can Tell* is not on video, but you can get copies on a few places on the net, at your own risk, of course. I am tempted to get a copy.... right now I am halfway through the movie on youtube, but you have to be dedicated to watch it there, because the sound is really bad.

[Bronxgirl48]

> {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote}

> Gmorning Rohanaka - OH.. you know me.. ha. I may have a few 'school girl' crushes now and then.. but my heart belongs to the QT!!!!

>

> Awww, safe answer. And very endearing. :-)

>

> So Early Bronxie - For years I couldn't watch Charles Coburn in anything light after KING'S ROW, because whatever benign character he played, he was still Dr. Gordon to me.

>

> You know what movie does that to me with Coburn? IN THIS OUR LIFE. He creeped me out as that Uncle of Bette Davis. Then you see him in THE MORE THE MERRIER and you wonder why youre even worried. Odd. Beggin strips with scrambled eggs. Sounds like a tasty breakfast. Bon appetit, Boca.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coburn's career trajectory: funny, crreepy, funny, creepy, funny...

 

How much is Dick Powell in the window?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> I like him as Buckley in FATHER OF THE BRIDE and FATHER'S LITTLE DIVIDEND. (didn't Mother Billie Burke and her husband look more like Don's grandparents?) You could tell

> there was a mature, serious actor waiting to emerge in that post-war period.

>

> I believe he directed one of the "Planet of the Apes" movies too. I just love his boyishness. And ooh, come to think of it...yeah about Billie as Mom. Maybe they had him late in life. Now Tracy and Bennett looked just like they could have produced Elizabeth Taylor. (Though would a redhead + a blonde = a beautiful brunette? Let me check my genetics notes).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Almost every movie I see from the 1930's through the 50's, the parents look like their own mothers and fathers. It's as though they instantly had to look "mature" and just plain old. Since Joan Bennett resembled Hedy Lamarr, it's no stretch for me to believe she was Liz's mother. But I think Billie Burke at that time was in her 70's, ha! Buckley must have been a menopause baby. And look at Lewis Stone. Can you believe he fathered Andy Hardy?

 

> Pat OBrien in GARDEN OF THE MOON was perfect. He was a promoter: loud, brash, deceitful. Perfect. Oooh, I'd like to see him go at it with Lee Tracy (they both were with Harlow in "BOMBSHELL". Somehow, he's just too curmudgeonly for me. You know, like Grimesy. (Shalamar, indeed!!)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't remember Pat was in GARDEN OF THE MOON or even BOMBSHELL. I always like O'Brien when he talks like a normal person, not in that Warner's rat-a-tat-tat manner.

>

> Poor Midge....I like to think that eventually she and Scottie do get together, after his second nervous breakdown.

>

> Nahhhh, shes licked her wounds and fallen for a handsome but bland man at an advertising agency; had a couple of kids too, but kept her hand in having a career. You know, a little poc-

> ket money the better to buy those little white gloves with. Sometimes she'd wander over to the museum to look at Carlotta's painting, mumbling to herself: "What HAS she got that I haven't

> got?!" Why would she want Scottie then? Besides, hes become a total veg after they peeled

> him off that tower ledge. (Fear Conquered + Lost Love = Major Vegetation).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, you're probably right about Midge. She needs an emotionally stable guy, and poor Scottie may never recover, though I hate to think of him resigned to such a fate. I might not be totally understanding or sympathetic of his obsession, but after all, it's Jimmy Stewart playing this part, and Jimmy's vulnerability and appeal always comes through, no matter what, even though when he's wound too tightly, I get extremely uncomfortable.

>

> Now, have a nice day...and stop hoggin all the Beggin Strips! One pet...one special pet, indeed!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I put some Sweet Baby Ray's barbeque sauce on the strips, along with a side of Friendship cottage cheese-with-pineapple. Delicous! Woof-woof.

[Bronxgirl48]

> {quote:title=redriver wrote:}{quote}

> There once was a girl from The Bronx!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a good thing nothing bad rhymes with Bronx. (I hope)

>

> I haven't seen "The Dick Powell Dog Movie" in more than forty years! Didn't even remember the title. YOU NEVER CAN TELL, hunh? So sorry I missed it. I'm guessing it doesn't exist on video. I bet my dog, Sugar, would like it, though her favorite movie is COOL HAND LUKE! I hope you get to see "Destry" soon. It's very well written; quirky, clever and adventurous. Once I get past the super-duper westerns, THE SEARCHERS, SHANE, so forth, "Destry" is high on my list.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you want to see YOU NEVER CAN TELL and aren't super-particular as to the quaiity of the print or the sound levels on YouTube, please check it out. It's not a classic comedy or anything, but very cute and cleverly done. Give Sugar a hug for me. She would absolutely fall in love with "King", but may have to stand in line, because "Tillie" (I forget the breed in the movie) also has a crush on Powell. Do I have to see COOL HAND LUKE, lol? I've watched bit and pieces over the years but it never impressed me, frankly. And you know how I feel about these late 60's, early 70's movies with all the social messages and the "groovy" revisionist westerns with all the SONGS, gack! I'm going to try and get through THE STING, however. Unfortunately I'm not a big SHANE (though I love Alan Ladd in it) or THE SEARCHERS (though I love Ford, Duke, Ward, Hank) fan, but what do I know? I think Marlene and Jimmy made two films together -- DESTRY RIDES AGAIN and NO HIGHWAY IN THE SKY.

>

> How are you doing since Woody strode into your life? (Great! I've become one of the girls!)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey, it takes a real man to admit he's one of the girls! I've become a big Woody fan now, thanks to SARGEANT RUTLEDGE. And he's memorable in THE LAST VOYAGE.

 

I think I'll go see what the boys in the back room will have.

 

Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Aug 21, 2010 3:52 AM

[Bronxgirl48]

> {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote}

> Oh now I HAVE to go take a look at *You Never Can Tell*. Joyce Holden? Ah, I knew it was a "Sothern" accent.... oooh. sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I was telling redriver, YOU NEVER CAN TELL is not really a "classic" comedy, but I'm very fond of it. The premise is so deftly handled, and Powell is just wonderul. Can't wait for your thoughts. As for "Sothern/Southern", ha! A gitl after my own heart.

>

> I even used that voice in a children's book I used to read to Alice when she was little, called The Happy Chicks..... well they weren't happy, actually they got lost in the barnyard. I did lots of voices for that one. The mother Hen was Marlyn Monroe, the horse was Joyce Holden, the pig was Mae West, The Robin was Cary Grant.....it was a lot of fun, and I created a back story of how Marilyn and Cary got together at the end of the book.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh my gosh, Jackie, that is so brilliant! Can I find "The Happy

Chicks" in the children's section of my local library? Then I could imagine your movie voices. Aww, Marilyn as a mother hen, she'd be so whispery-nurturing, Mae West as the pig, lol. Does she invite Cary Robin up to her trough for some fun in the mud? All very innocent, of course...

 

>

> Glad to hear you like Ben too. Your description was lovely!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, thank you. Yes, I've been appreciating Ben more and more over the years, as an actor and a man.

>

> This morning I watched Kate in *Spitfire*, a movie I like even though it's all wrong. And guess who was in it? Flutterless Ralph Bellamy AND Robert Young.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SPITFIRE is one of those Hepburns I've avoided over the years, like CHRISTOPHER STRONG. (The only ones of her early 30's period I love are LITTLE WOMEN and THE LITTLE MINISTER, also BRINGING UP BABY -- she's so funny playing it "straight", and Cary, well, what can one say about Cary -- genius!) Oh, so Kate is saddled with two squares, huh? She'd eat up my Ralphie and Flat Foot Bob in one bite.

(I've got SUMMERTIME on in the background now)

>

> You are killing me with these songs! You two need to get an act together. Or head down Tin Pan Alley.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maven and I are taking our act on the road and hope to be booked at the Palace as a warm-up act for Judy Garland and Gene Kelly.

>

> I tend to side with Bronxie about Jimmy in Vertigo, he's just too pent up, uptight for me here. Seeing it straight through (instead of in little bits and pieces) a year or so ago was a revelation - it is a MASTERPIECE, all capitals. My sympathy lies with everyone, and no one. As I see it over again, I feel more empathy for the characters. This is a movie to watch straight through with no interruptions......but not too often..... that would be weird.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I love Jimmy Stewart in anything, and he's always sympathetic and appealing to me, so, while I might not understand Scottie's obsession in VERTIGO, I'm on the character's side, just because it IS Stewart. As for the film itself, I'm more than halfway there in thinking it Hitch's masterpiece. Another few viewings and I'll eventually "get it".

 

Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Aug 21, 2010 4:21 AM

[OllieTSB]

Bronxie, you wrote the comment about perhaps not getting Stewart's obession in VERTIGO but you "go with the character because it's Stewart". Yes, exactly. I think that's the foundation - I have donated a willingness or tolerance once I head for the theater.

 

For some actors (Jack Nicholson), I have exactly the opposite effect. And for CGI, too. I walk in with expectations or at least 'donations' towards or against the filmmakers or the subject matter. HARVEY is an incredibly stupid film-premise, and Stewart doesn't play an alky-fall-down-drunk - which his offers to drink seems to indicate. But that one point in the film, where he talks about Being Smart or Being Nice - nothing is said more seriously than that, and nothing is more pointed than that.

 

However ludicrous the whole film is, that one tiny line explains it all. Then there's Jesse White, and Cecil Kellaway. The sisters. I don't really need a lot else. Although I've never turned down a Kim Novak watching either...

[CineMaven]

ELIZABETH TAYLOR'S day under the stars will be Monday on TCM.

 

Her beauty...undeniable. And I find her to be a talented actress. For me the criteria is "do I be-

lieve her?" and more often than not, I do. But there might be other reasons to check out Elizabeth Taylor's films on August 23rd. I know there are William Powell and Donald Crisp fans out there. Me, I'm a sucker for Don Taylor, as I recently confessed in our "Actors We Find Flutter-Worthy" discussion. For campy fun (that sounds like fodder for you Bronxgirl) there's "Butterfield 8" which

I never laugh at, but I may be prompted to, if Bronxie leads the way. (Love her stilettoes!)

 

Some may want to see the 'before' and 'after' Monty, so you have both Clift's pairings with Elizabeth Taylor. I'd recommend seeing "A Place in the Sun" for the umpteenth time (not

you Grimesy; I think you might have socks to darn or something). George Stevens' direc-

tion in Filmmaking 101; classic storytelling of a tale of a man who the Fates were against.

(Awww hell, who doesn't want to just drown in the beauty of Taylor and Clift...oooh, no pun

intended).

 

Some of us gals love our Aussie heart throb, Rod Taylor...so we can get an eyeful of him if we want. And "The V.I.P.s" is one of the movies I remember my family seeing in the theatres. Me and seven other people were the only ones to see "X, Y and Zee" in the theatres. It didn't do good box

office, if I recall correctly, but I did like the triangle aspect of the story...and Taylor was such a beeeeyotch in this film. (What becomes a legend most? Play a beeeeyotch and find out). Besides, after Julie Christie, I've always liked Susannah York.

 

ELIZABETH TAYLOR'S day under the stars will be Monday on TCM. If you're not watching for her I hope you find other reasons to watch her films tomorrow.

[FrankGrimes]

Hey! I like A Place in the Sun!

 

I've seen five Liz films:

 

1. A Place in the Sun

2. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?

3. Suddenly, Last Summer

4. Julia Misbehaves

5. Jane Eyre

 

And she was the first to provide a spoken word for Maggie Simpson.

 

But, I must say, I'm not that drawn to Liz. She doesn't do much for me.

 

I will be recording Father of the Bride, though. I love Joan Bennett.

[CineMaven]

>"But, I must say, I'm not that drawn to Liz. She doesn't do much for me."

 

Wha'?? WoW! I have never...ever...heard a man say that.

[FrankGrimes]

There's always one rotten one in the bunch.

[OllieTSB]

Or two rotten ones. Growing up with Liz in the '60s, I never saw one likeable aspect. Fights, cigs, drinking, soap opera roles - nothing likeable in those. Her choices in film plus the publicized public choices only added more anchors around her image's neck. She had a really great TV ad spot for some perfume once upon a time - clearly better than Belushi's portrait of her with piles of greasy fried chicken.

[lzcutter]

I've always been somewhat indifferent to most of the films she and Burton made together ( *Virginia Woolf* and *Taming of the Shrew* being the exceptions) but after reading excerpts of Furious Love , I am going to go back and take another look at those films and see what I find.

[FrankGrimes]

It's not necessarily Liz's films that don't interest me, it's just that I'm not attracted to her. But, when I think about it, I'm not sure how many Liz films would be "me." Giant, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, Elephant Walk, and Butterfield 8 are probably my best bets.

 

It's been my theory that women rate Liz's beauty higher than men. That's not to say men don't find her beautiful, it's just that I seem to find more women who view her as some sort of "ideal."

[MissGoddess]

Interesting what you and Ollie say. I will admit I don't know any men who

are that fond of her or her films. All her fans I know are women. Which

is kind of funny because I imagine her a woman who in real life gets along

much better with men.

 

I like her spirit, which comes through some of her best performances. Like

Leslie in GIANT. "I couldn't have been more unpleasant when I met you",

she tosses off in her own inimitable way when she tells husband Rock

Hudson that he was warned what kind of girl he was marrying in the first

place. "When are you going to settle down and act like the rest of us?"

"Never!", and this is all off camera but we know Elizabeth and we know

just what she looks like when she says it: eyes blazing and hands on

her hips looking up at the man towering over her but who can't control

this little dynamo he's just wed.

 

Or the self-deprecating humor of *Suddenly, Last Summer*, The Last

Time I Saw Paris, and *Butterfield 8*. She knows the worst about herself

and isn't squirming under it, however much her older female guardians are

discomfited by such knowledge and wish she would be more hypocritical.

I find that tone uniquely Elizabeth. She is honest, she rarely played a hypocrite,

and I think it's one of the qualities that keeps her best characterizations fresh after

all these years.

 

As Leslie in Giant

 

Edited by: MissGoddess on Aug 22, 2010 2:44 PM

[JackFavell]

I predict you will fall for Liz and the entire movie *Father of the Bride*. It's great. I watch it every time it's on.

 

Liz's forte was comedy, it's too bad she didn't do more of it.

 

Ladies, I like Don Taylor too, and I am curious to know - what do you think of Charles Drake?

[movieman1957]

I also don't think much of her film work one way or another. I do like the two "Father" films but more for Tracy than anyone else.

 

That being said I do think at one point in the middle and late 50's she was among the most gorgeous women I have seen.

[rohanaka]

There's always one rotten one in the bunch

 

And then there were two... and now there are THREE... (though I guess technically I am not in the same category as The Grey Guy and Ollie.. as I am not a guy.. but I still can say for certain Ms Taylor has never been too high on my list)

 

Oh good gravy.. I can't believe I am coming down on the Grey side of things... ugh.. will I ever live down the shame??????????? ha.

 

OH, what IS the world coming to?????????????????

 

I mean, I can TAKE being lonely all by myself on my mountaintop of dissent (a la Me and my beloved RIP, ha) but now I have to share the mountain with the guy who thinks Dix (from In a Lonely Place) and Harry (from Night in the City) were ROLE models.. OH and who hates McLintock and Donvan's Reef, but thinks POP Secret.. I mean TOP Secret is the greatest comedy EVER!!!

 

Oh.. I can't even think of it.... HOW will I ever live this down?? At least Ollie is on the mountain too. ha. Now I don't feel SO bad. And Movieman.. you are half on half off the mountain. ha. But I will take all the GOOD company I can get! ha.

 

RE: Ms Taylor... I just have never been much of a Liz person.. I really have tried too.. but she just has never really held much interest for me. Except I think I did like her more as a child star or perhaps a very young adult, I think. But even then.. I could really just take her or leave her (I do like Jane Eyre.. and FOTB and Lassie.. OH and I can JUST stand her in COAHTR... but it is more her characters in all these films than it is her as an actress that I like.

 

Truthfully.. I meant what I said about only JUST tolerating her in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, ha... she just spent way too much time running around in her slip and I kept thinking.. for crying out loud.. finish getting dressed and THEN yell at Paul Newman some more.. ugh. But THAT is likely a strictly female opinion.. ha.

 

Oh brother... now Ollie and the Movieman will likely go sit next to the GREY Dude... and leave me here by myself afterall, ha. Oh.. I feel so all alone... (But hey.. Maybe I can just take a nap while I am by myself up here on the mountain.. ha. I could use a bit of peace and quiet for a change, ha)

[MissGoddess]

We all have our mountaintops, in fact, I think we have to find a new

name for this "range" here at TCM, lol.

 

[CineMaven]

"There's always one rotten one in the bunch. ?

 

Naaaah, you?re not rotten, Grimesey.

 

?Or two rotten ones. Growing up with Liz in the '60s, I never saw one likeable aspect...?

 

Okay, now you may be rotten, Ollie. (That voodoo works both ways!)

 

?l've always been somewhat indifferent to most of the films she and Burton made together...?

 

Oh I haven't, Madame Cutter...I enjoyed them together in ?The V.I.P.s? and ?The Sandpiper? and ?...Virginia Woolf.? Liked seeing this married couple work together.

 

?...it's just that I'm not attracted to her.?

 

You know Grimesy, I?ve never ever heard a man say...oh I said that already.

 

?She knows the worst about herself and isn't squirming under it, however much her older female guardians are discomfited by such knowledge and wish she would be more hypocri-

tical. I find that tone uniquely Elizabeth. She is honest, she rarely played a hypocrite, and I think it's one of the qualities that keeps her best characterizations fresh after all these years.?

 

See, this is what I?m talking about. Your writing. You?ve been on fire of late Miss. G. Haven?t said it aloud, but I?ve enjoyed the read (?...Liberty Valance? and the closing frontier...Amazing!)

 

Oh, I agree...you?ve hit it on the head re one aspect of Elizabeth?s appeal.

 

?Ladies, I like Don Taylor too, and I am curious to know - what do you think of Charles Drake??

 

For me Jackaaaay, I think I?ve only liked Charles Drake in one small part as a ship?s officer canoodling with Bette Davis in a parked car in her flashback scene in ?Now, Voyager.?

(?I say, that was a scorcher.?) But he seemed to play kind of goofy guys. Tom Drake, I never

cared for and I can't explain why.

 

?I also don't think much of her film work one way or another...That being said I do think at one point in the middle and late 50's she was among the most gorgeous women I have seen.?

 

Your comment, Movieman is closer to what I've heard most guys say. I actually was referring to her physically...which I was separating from her work.

 

?Oh brother... now Ollie and the Movieman will likely go sit next to the GREY Dude... and leave me here by myself afterall, ha. Oh.. I feel so all alone... (But hey.. Maybe I can just take a nap while I am by myself up here on the mountain.. ha. I could use a bit of peace and quiet for a change, ha)?

 

Naaaah Ro-Ro...you?re not alone on that mountain. But yikes, look at the company you?re keeping. Better sleep with one eye open. You are wearing more than just a slip, right. (It?s cold up them in thar shepherded hills!)

 

Well I learned something new today. That some men are not physically attracted to Elizabeth Taylor. And honestly, I didn?t know that was possible. I really didn't.

 

BTW: Same nose...same face; we all know it, no matter what you cut out.

 

Edited by: CineMaven on Aug 22, 2010 4:17 PM...wanted to clean up my syntax a bit.

[FrankGrimes]

Hey there, Whosits -- Interesting what you and Ollie say. I will admit I don't know any men who are that fond of her or her films. All her fans I know are women. Which is kind of funny because I imagine her a woman who in real life gets along much better with men.

 

I just get the impression women fawn over her beauty (especially her skin), considering her beauty to be ideal. She's the ideal brunette, especially from the 50s/60s. She just hasn't done much for me. Having said that, I thought she was beautiful and sexy in the pool room in A Place in the Sun. Now that's the Liz I can go for!

 

I like her spirit, which comes through some of her best performances. Like

Leslie in GIANT. "I couldn't have been more unpleasant when I met you",

she tosses off in her own inimitable way when she tells husband Rock

Hudson that he was warned what kind of girl he was marrying in the first

place. "When are you going to settle down and act like the rest of us?"

"Never!", and this is all off camera but we know Elizabeth and we know

just what she looks like when she says it: eyes blazing and hands on

her hips looking up at the man towering over her but who can't control

this little dynamo he's just wed.

 

Giant seems to be the most obvious Liz film that I need to check out. Her character sounds rather fascinating.

 

How do, Denver -- I predict you will fall for Liz and the entire movie Father of the Bride. It's great. I watch it every time it's on.

 

You really think so? Seriously? My impression is that I would be stunned if I liked it. Low expectations always work well with me, though.

 

Liz's forte was comedy, it's too bad she didn't do more of it.

 

I'm not that big on classic comedy. Cary Grant seems to be the one sure thing, with me. I like William Powell's brand of comedy, too.

 

What's going on, Movieman? -- That being said I do think at one point in the middle and late 50's she was among the most gorgeous women I have seen.

 

That's what Lively Gal needed to hear!

 

Hiya, Quiet Gal -- I mean, I can TAKE being lonely all by myself on my mountaintop of dissent (a la Me and my beloved RIP, ha) but now I have to share the mountain with the guy who thinks Dix (from In a Lonely Place) and Harry (from Night in the City) were ROLE models.. OH and who hates McLintock and Donvan's Reef, but thinks POP Secret.. I mean TOP Secret is the greatest comedy EVER!!!

 

Dix and Harry! They're fantastic!

 

Truthfully.. I meant what I said about only JUST tolerating her in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, ha... she just spent way too much time running around in her slip and I kept thinking.. for crying out loud.. finish getting dressed and THEN yell at Paul Newman some more.. ugh. But THAT is likely a strictly female opinion.. ha.

 

Looks like I need to check that one out! Maybe there is still some Liz hope for me, after all!

 

[rohanaka]

Looks like I need to check that one out! Maybe there is still some Liz hope for me, after all!

 

OH brother.. WHY am I not suprised to hear you say THAT!!! (ha)

 

PS: Yes.. Miss Maven.. I have my LONG flannel on up here... I LIKE the cooler temps.. but I still gotta stay warm when the cold winds blow.. ha. And gee.. Miss Goddess... It's a LOVELY view.. but I am going to sleep for a few weeks before I enjoy it TOO much.. ha. If you need to find me.. my mountain will be the one with the snoring sounds echoing down from on high.. ha.