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Hi, T,

 

Well, what did your friend think of FRENZY? You should show him THE WRONG MAN (it's on TCM now). I love that one. Everyone seems to hate it, it's like Hitch's poor stepchild but I think it's a superior film in many ways. It's very frightening, too. I always think it's easy to put myself in Manny's (Henry Fonda) place...it could happen to anyone.

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Hey larry!

 

I've seen quite a few of my favorites on the big screen over the years, Gable, Shearer, Harlow, Wayne, Bogart, Bergman, Astaire, but nothing recently. Despite having several restored movie palaces, classic films are rarely screened here in Richmond. Most of the old theaters have been converted to live venues and the one that still shows films exclusively operates as a second run theater. They used to have a fall classics series, which I loved, but that disappeared many years ago. I don't remember them ever showing one of Greer's films though.

 

I know, some old theatres have done that in Austin too. The Paramount has been strong and stayed classy. It does show many famous people that come through town, though. Me and my grandma went to see Carol Burnett there when she came. I simply love it there and hope it never changes!

 

What has been your very favorite movie on the big screen so far?

 

A couple summers ago, I saw Funny Girl at the Paramount and I couldn?t stop crying and smiling all at once. That movie releases lots of emotion, I?m telling ya.  It has definitely become my favorite classic movie on the big screen, especially with Barbra singing with surround sound.

 

We had one new theater that started showing some older films on Sundays but they stopped before I took advantage of it. Probably my fault that they stopped! I should have went sooner!!

 

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Why didn?t you go sooner, silly?

 

So, you folks in the bigger cities are lucky!

 

Well at least I have you on my side when Frankie comes to town. Heehee!

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Hey dahlink!

 

Well, what did your friend think of FRENZY? You should show him THE WRONG MAN (it's on TCM now). I love that one. Everyone seems to hate it, it's like Hitch's poor stepchild but I think it's a superior film in many ways. It's very frightening, too. I always think it's easy to put myself in Manny's (Henry Fonda) place...it could happen to anyone.

 

Sammy liked it a lot! I told him about The Wrong Man. I gave him the list of Hitch movies playing on TCM for a couple months. He should be covered for a bit. Heehee! He liked Frenzy, not so much for the screenplay, but for the characters and plot. He thought it was ?unsually done for a hitch movie.? I haven?t gotten too much more out of him yet. We?re still talking about it. He isn?t familiar yet with all of Hitch?s movies, early and later, so he couldn?t really compare it to his other stuff yet. He has seen Spellbound, Rebecca, Rear Window, and The Birds and really loves them. I have been talking to him about Marnie quite a bit and he now wants to see it.

 

You know, I wasn?t ever really that frightened by The Wrong Man. Okay, well a few parts of it have always disturbed me but you are right, it could happen to anyone, what he went through?.like Melody Jones?to a smaller level. Heehee!

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> Sammy liked it a lot! I told him about The Wrong Man. I gave him the list of Hitch movies playing on TCM for a couple months. He should be covered for a bit. Heehee! He liked Frenzy, not so much for the screenplay, but for the characters and plot. He thought it was unsually done for a hitch movie. I havent gotten too much more out of him yet. Were still talking about it. He isnt familiar yet with all of Hitchs movies, early and later, so he couldnt really compare it to his other stuff yet. He has seen Spellbound, Rebecca, Rear Window, and The Birds and really loves them. I have been talking to him about Marnie quite a bit and he now wants to see it.

>

 

Well, it's nice he's looking into the films.

 

> You know, I wasnt ever really that frightened by The Wrong Man. Okay, well a few parts of it have always disturbed me but you are right, it could happen to anyone, what he went through.like Melody Jonesto a smaller level. Heehee!

 

Ha! That's a great comparison of films! I never would have thought of comparing those two but they are similar! Very good. :D

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Well, it's nice he's looking into the films.

 

Yeah, but he watched the Norma Shearer version of Marie Antoinette and said it was terrible. He actually got my mouth to drop for five minutes in front of him. It made him laugh a lot! He actually got me the other day about some B movie from the 40s?I don?t remember what it was called, but I looked it up everywhere and couldn?t find it. I think he made it up just to get me stuck.

Oy vey!

 

Ha! That's a great comparison of films! I never would have thought of comparing those two but they are similar! Very good.

 

Well if you think about it, it?s just like Melody Jones with a more light-hearted approach. I really do like The Wrong Man, though, it really gives you a different side of Henry Fonda as an actor. It makes his character so vulnerable and you don?t usually see him in this sort of light, with the exception of a few of his movies, like On Golden Pond and The Grapes of Wrath. I like him in this kind of character. You feel for the poor guy and you just wanna help him some how.

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> Yeah, but he watched the Norma Shearer version of Marie Antoinette and said it was terrible. He actually got my mouth to drop for five minutes in front of him. It made him laugh a lot! He actually got me the other day about some B movie from the 40sI dont remember what it was called, but I looked it up everywhere and couldnt find it. I think he made it up just to get me stuck.

> Oy vey!

>

 

Ha! I'm not surprised by his reaction (and rather relieved, in fact :P ).

 

> Well if you think about it, its just like Melody Jones with a more light-hearted approach. I really do like The Wrong Man, though, it really gives you a different side of Henry Fonda as an actor. It makes his character so vulnerable and you dont usually see him in this sort of light, with the exception of a few of his movies, like On Golden Pond and The Grapes of Wrath. I like him in this kind of character. You feel for the poor guy and you just wanna help him some how.

 

He's vulnerable alright, and on top of everything, his wife loses it, too, just when he needs her support the most. Hitch did a great job of showing how the system can crush fragile human lives. I don't think most people were or are prepared for Hitchcock to take on something so straightforward. Maybe that's why I like it.

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Ha! I'm not surprised by his reaction (and rather relieved, in fact ).

 

Heehee! Sammy always laughs at me..much like the dutch boy. I don?t know what it is that I do to bring such treachery on like this! Heehee! :P

 

He's vulnerable alright, and on top of everything, his wife loses it, too, just when he needs her support the most. Hitch did a great job of showing how the system can crush fragile human lives. I don't think most people were or are prepared for Hitchcock to take on something so straightforward. Maybe that's why I like it.

 

That?s one thing I do love about hitch. When these movies came out, no one ever knew what to expect. The Wrong Man is a great example of this. I didn?t particularly like how hitch wanted his wife to lose it quite like she did, nevertheless, I understood why it went through like that.

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Hi ya T.

 

*What has been your very favorite movie on the big screen so far?*

 

In my whole life? That would be *Star Wars* :)

 

I saw it when it first came out. I was probably thirteen. I couldn't recreate that kind of youthful excitement again if I tried. I don't think anything has compared to that.

 

I'm too old to consider that a "classic" film though. :D

 

I saw *Red Dust* on the big screen many years ago and I was just blown away by seeing Gable and Harlow up there bigger than life for the first time.. It was very exciting. I would love to see *King Kong* on the big screen.

 

*Tsk, tsk, tsk. Why didn?t you go sooner, silly?*

 

I know! I'm very slow on the draw. I hope they bring them back.

 

*Yeah, but he watched the Norma Shearer version of Marie Antoinette and said it was terrible.*

 

Never start a newbie, particularly a guy, on *Marie Antoinette* when dealing with Shearer films. Start with one of the pre-codes. :)

 

Poor Norma!

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> {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote}

> I'll have to get both. I'll check Youtube later and see of that has anything on it.

>

> I wonder if I'll recognize it?

 

I'm pretty sure you will. The Picnic at Hanging Rock theme is one of my

very favorite movie themes. It's so haunting and I thought I detected a similar

melody in Wake of the Red Witch, but I could be wrong.

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> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

>

>

> So, what did you think of Wake of the Red Witch, after this fresh viewing?

 

That's it! That's what Gail is playing. A Chopin "Nocturne". How did you

figure it out?

 

What I don't know if that piece is what Picnic at Hanging Rock features

a variation on, or not. Probably not, though there is a similarity in the section where

the piano sort of drops down the scale, for lack of a better way to put it.

 

SPOILERS OF THE RED WITCH!!!!!

 

I found the movie much richer this time, the DVD sports a wonderfully clean

print and that made me appreciate it visually much more. Chris, I think you're

right that we have touched upon this movie in past Rambles, because I seem

to remember you or someone mentioning the fake looking lagoon set, in contrast

to some other really good shots aboard the boat. It's a handsome film and exciting.

 

What caught my attention most this time was another similarity to a film, this time

to Wuthering Heights. There are a couple of shots that seem to be "stolen"

right from Wyler's masterpiece, and the character of Captain Ralls (John Wayne)

is to me, very "Heathcliffe". Brooding, masterful, and with a thirst to put down

those who wronged him and destroyed his love. But Ralls is more genial, and

more apt to blame himself for his tragedies, than Heathcliffe was. As crazy as

it sounds, John Wayne actually plays a more introspective character

than Olivier did. Olivier is all emotion, anger and brute strength. Ralls is intellect,

humor as well as darker forces not under his control.

 

The other outstanding quality of the movie for me was Luther Adler's

character and performance. I have never paid as much attention to him, except

as a sort of plot device, but this time I see what an interesting and complex man

Sydney was. He didn't just hate Captain Ralls, he actually wanted to BE Captain

Ralls and knew he didn't have what it took. He could become as rich and powerful

as he was and still didn't have that freedom, that independence and inner resourcefulness

Ralls possessed. Sydney knew that, and it was like something meaningful went out

of his life when Ralls died. His expression when he realized Ralls was gone, was

great. You expect the whole time he hates Ralls so much he'll try to kill him himself,

but no, he wants him to live because competing with him is what gives him excitement

and justification. Interestingly, it's Captain Younger who is the true menace to Ralls,

if he dared. He would love to kill him and in his own way tries to many times. Like Sydney,

he also wants Gail Russell and like Sydney, he knows deep inside he too is not half

the man to take anything from Ralls. (All this also reminds a bit of Lured, don't

you think?)

 

A good story about masculine ego and competitiveness, underneath an exciting yarn.

It takes an actor of Wayne's huge charisma and presence to play a character so effortlessly

who can inspire men to loyalty despite his temper, and who can make more powerful

men envious. No actor today could play such a character convincingly. And back then,

I can only think of Errol Flynn and Clark Gable being able to do so.

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That's it! That's what Gail is playing. A Chopin "Nocturne". How did you

figure it out?

 

I'm an expert on classical music. I thought you knew. :P

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040946/soundtrack

 

What I don't know if that piece is what Picnic at Hanging Rock features

a variation on, or not. Probably not, though there is a similarity in the section where

the piano sort of drops down the scale, for lack of a better way to put it.

 

It looks like that film uses classical pieces. I'm not sure how much is original score and if they "borrowed" from the classics or not.

 

SPOILERS OF THE RED WITCH!!!!!

 

What caught my attention most this time was another similarity to a film, this time

to Wuthering Heights. There are a couple of shots that seem to be "stolen"

right from Wyler's masterpiece, and the character of Captain Ralls (John Wayne)

is to me, very "Heathcliffe". Brooding, masterful, and with a thirst to put down

those who wronged him and destroyed his love. But Ralls is more genial, and

more apt to blame himself for his tragedies, than Heathcliffe was. As crazy as

it sounds, John Wayne actually plays a more introspective character

than Olivier did. Olivier is all emotion, anger and brute strength. Ralls is intellect,

humor as well as darker forces not under his control.

 

I've yet to see that one, but that's a wonderful tease. How interesting that a film such as Wake of the Red Witch is being compared to Wuthering Heights. Why do I get the feeling I'll prefer the former?

 

The other outstanding quality of the movie for me was Luther Adler's

character and performance. I have never paid as much attention to him, except

as a sort of plot device, but this time I see what an interesting and complex man

Sydney was. He didn't just hate Captain Ralls, he actually wanted to BE Captain

Ralls and knew he didn't have what it took. He could become as rich and powerful

as he was and still didn't have that freedom, that independence and inner resourcefulness

Ralls possessed. Sydney knew that, and it was like something meaningful went out

of his life when Ralls died. His expression when he realized Ralls was gone, was

great. You expect the whole time he hates Ralls so much he'll try to kill him himself,

but no, he wants him to live because competing with him is what gives him excitement

and justification.

 

I'm glad you enjoyed Luther Adler's "Sydney." You have captured his essence, too. He's nothing but envious of Ralls (John Wayne). He'd love to be all that he is but he knows he never can be. So, his jealousy dictates that he must attempt to weaken Ralls, make him look like less to the others.

 

Interestingly, it's Captain Younger who is the true menace to Ralls, if he dared. He would love to kill him and in his own way tries to many times. Like Sydney, he also wants Gail Russell and like Sydney, he knows deep inside he too is not half the man to take anything from Ralls.

 

It's funny, but I've already forgotten this character. I've been watching too many movies.

 

(All this also reminds a bit of Lured, don't you think?)

 

That's another interesting comparison! Yes, I can see the similarity. It's just one views it as a showy competition while the other hides behind the shadow of the man.

 

A good story about masculine ego and competitiveness, underneath an exciting yarn.

 

Nicely said. I agree. And I still say it's funny! It also has a decent amount of emotion, including tender moments. Ralls even helps out the other couple, basically telling the guy, "don't make the same mistakes I did." Very much like The Searchers, in that regard.

 

I do believe it's the most complete of all the characters I have seen of John Wayne's. He gives you everything in this one.

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> I'm an expert on classical music. I thought you knew. :P

>

> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040946/soundtrack

>

 

Well, you at least made the effort to investigate, I was too lazy

even to do that. I just bothered Chris. :D

 

> SPOILERS OF THE RED WITCH!!!!!

>

 

> I've yet to see that one, but that's a wonderful tease. How interesting that a film such as Wake of the Red Witch is being compared to Wuthering Heights. Why do I get the feeling I'll prefer the former?

>

 

I think you will, too, but you said now you like what you've seen of

Merle Oberon, so why not see her most famous movie?

 

Now here's another tease, if you will. The hilarity you derive from

Ralls' character, I get from Olivier's "Heathcliffe". I laugh all the time

at the outrageous things he says and does after he returns home, especially at

what he says about David Niven's and Hugh Williams' characters.

So funny!

 

And he says some pretty nasty (but funny!) things to "Cathy" (Merle),

basically telling her the truth about herself that she refuses to recognize.

That stuff I'm sure you'll enjoy.

 

Do you have it recorded?

 

>

> I'm glad you enjoyed Luther Adler's "Sydney." You have captured his essence, too. He's nothing but envious of Ralls (John Wayne). He'd love to be all that he is but he knows he never can be. So, his jealousy dictates that he must attempt to weaken Ralls, make him look like less to the others.

>

 

He is somewhat like Hindley (Hugh Williams) and Edgar (David Niven), though taken

to a greater extreme. Adler's "Sydney" is more of a man than either of them alone or put together.

 

 

> Interestingly, it's Captain Younger who is the true menace to Ralls, if he dared. He would love to kill him and in his own way tries to many times. Like Sydney, he also wants Gail Russell and like Sydney, he knows deep inside he too is not half the man to take anything from Ralls.

>

> It's funny, but I've already forgotten this character. I've been watching too many movies.

>

 

In fact, three men hate and envy Ralls, because there's Henry Daniel, too, I forgot to

mention him. I forgot what happened to him! That came as a shock! But I don't think

it was intentional on Ralls' part, do you? I think it was in the heat of anger and self defense.

 

> That's another interesting comparison! Yes, I can see the similarity. It's just one views it as a showy competition while the other hides behind the shadow of the man.

>

 

Right!

 

> Nicely said. I agree. And I still say it's funny! It also has a decent amount of emotion, including tender moments. Ralls even helps out the other couple, basically telling the guy, "don't make the same mistakes I did." Very much like The Searchers, in that regard.

>

 

He also saved the child's life. Though I think Gail was presumptuous to take that

as meaning he "loves children". Ha!

 

> I do believe it's the most complete of all the characters I have seen of John Wayne's. He gives you everything in this one.

 

I hadn't thought of it that way, but it's true. There are many shadings in Captain Ralls. More

than I previously thought.

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I do believe it's the most complete of all the characters I have seen of John Wayne's. He gives you everything in this one.

 

Oh great.. now I have to break my neck to try and make it to the library before they close today... I got my notice in the mail saying my order for a copy of WOTRW was finally in... and here I wasn't planning on stopping by there til early next week.. but now I see all the spoilage going on and think I have to see what all the fuss is about.. (and PS I will wait til later to read the rest of the "spoilage"by the way all I did was sort of skim through what you wrote)

 

And I sort of skimmed over some of MissG's posts too and golly.. I sure do NOT remember that music in the movie.. but it has been a long long time since I saw it... so now I HAVE to go to the library today because it will be TUESDAY before I get another chance if I don't.. and gee.. this is an emergency. HA.

 

I mean come on. a Duke movie AND Chopin. Two of my all time favorites together in one film... who could ask for anything more???? :-)

 

(Ok.. I could. Because I also wouldn't mind a nice BLT w/ a side of potato salad and a large class of iced tea... but THAT and the movie.. that's it... and then I'd be doing alright) :D

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I just bothered Chris. :D

 

It's not just Chris that you bother! :P:P

 

SPOILERS OF THE RED WITCH!!!!!

 

I think you will, too, but you said now you like what you've seen of Merle Oberon, so why not see her most famous movie?

 

Oooooooooohhh, I forgot she was the female lead!

 

Now here's another tease, if you will. The hilarity you derive from Ralls' character, I get from Olivier's "Heathcliffe". I laugh all the time at the outrageous things he says and does after he returns home, especially at what he says about David Niven's and Hugh Williams' characters. So funny!

 

But is the humor snotty, snobby British literary humor? That stuff doesn't always register with me. You lasses seem to laugh at that more. I liked Wayne's smartmouth.

 

And he says some pretty nasty (but funny!) things to "Cathy" (Merle), basically telling her the truth about herself that she refuses to recognize. That stuff I'm sure you'll enjoy.

 

So he's talking to you? Yeah, I'd find that to be interesting and funny. :P

 

Do you have it recorded?

 

Yes.

 

In fact, three men hate and envy Ralls, because there's Henry Daniel, too, I forgot to

mention him. I forgot what happened to him! That came as a shock! But I don't think

it was intentional on Ralls' part, do you? I think it was in the heat of anger and self defense.

 

I thought it was an accident. It's strange because it feels like an, "oops, sorry, you're dead." It's one of my least favorite moments in the film.

 

He also saved the child's life. Though I think Gail was presumptuous to take that

as meaning he "loves children". Ha!

 

But he seemed to enjoy his time around the kids! Of course, he was bossing them around like his name was "Quiet Gal." :D

 

I hadn't thought of it that way, but it's true. There are many shadings in Captain Ralls. More

than I previously thought.

 

You get anger, punches, humor, athleticism, cockiness, tenderness, sacrifice, and loyal friendship with Wayne's character. Ripper (Paul Fix) was basically Wayne's "McLaglen" or "Brennan."

 

Tons of energy.

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Oh great.. now I have to break my neck to try and make it to the library before they close today... I got my notice in the mail saying my order for a copy of WOTRW was finally in... and here I wasn't planning on stopping by there til early next week.. but now I see all the spoilage going on and think I have to see what all the fuss is about.. (and PS I will wait til later to read the rest of the "spoilage"by the way all I did was sort of skim through what you wrote)

 

All right! Please get it! You're one of the biggest Wayne fans on the board, so I'd love to see how you view his character and performance. I think it's a very good film and highly underrated. It actually has some depth while also being entertaining.

 

And, just so you know, I will be getting the Wayne box set with Blood Alley. I'm just waiting for a sale. So don't give up on me on that one.

 

Also, I'm hoping to get The Tall T in the mail, today.

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> It's not just Chris that you bother! :P:P

>

 

Yes but I feel bad when I do it to Chris.

 

> SPOILERS OF THE RED WITCH!!!!!

>

 

 

> I think you will, too, but you said now you like what you've seen of Merle Oberon, so why not see her most famous movie?

>

> Oooooooooohhh, I forgot she was the female lead!

>

 

That's right, and she's mighty feisty (though part of me still wishes Vivien could

have played "Cathy").

 

>

> But is the humor snotty, snobby British literary humor? That stuff doesn't always register with me. You lasses seem to laugh at that more. I liked Wayne's smartmouth.

>

 

No, he's definitely NOT "Mr. Darcy". He's Darcy's enemy, the dirt under Darcy's feet.

That's the crux of the story: the tension between the low class, brutish and ****

"Heathcliffe" and the namby-pamby gentry class who just wish he would disappear.

Cathy is torn between the two.

 

> In fact, three men hate and envy Ralls, because there's Henry Daniel, too, I forgot to

> mention him. I forgot what happened to him! That came as a shock! But I don't think

> it was intentional on Ralls' part, do you? I think it was in the heat of anger and self defense.

>

> I thought it was an accident. It's strange because it feels like an, "oops, sorry, you're dead." It's one of my least favorite moments in the film.

>

 

Me, too! It happened so fast I almost missed it! They could have filmed that better,

made it mean something. As it was, it didn't justify Gail's extreme reaction.

 

> But he seemed to enjoy his time around the kids! Of course, he was bossing them around like his name was "Quiet Gal." :D

>

 

I don't remember that. I just think he'd have saved anyone down there, child or adult.

I get the impression Gail's character never really understood Ralls, but then she didn't have

to to love him. It felt more like Gail Russell showing her adoration for John Wayne.

 

> You get anger, punches, humor, athleticism, cockiness, tenderness, sacrifice, and loyal friendship with Wayne's character. Ripper (Paul Fix) was basically Wayne's "McLaglen" or "Brennan."

>

 

Ha! Fix was funny. That was a good character for him. Ralls: "You'll be a richer man than

you ever dreamed!" Ripper: "I just hope I won't be a deader one."

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Yes but I feel bad when I do it to Chris.

 

But Jackie means well!

 

SPOILERS OF THE RED WITCH!!!!!

 

That's right, and she's mighty feisty

 

She's feisty? Uh-oh.

 

(though part of me still wishes Vivien could have played "Cathy").

 

She would have slapped and kicked everyone in the picture like her name was "Snippy"!

 

No, he's definitely NOT "Mr. Darcy". He's Darcy's enemy, the dirt under Darcy's feet.

That's the crux of the story: the tension between the low class, brutish and ****

"Heathcliffe" and the namby-pamby gentry class who just wish he would disappear.

Cathy is torn between the two.

 

Oh, my. I may end up really liking this film. We know which way you'd go, Snobby!

 

Me, too! It happened so fast I almost missed it! They could have filmed that better,

made it mean something. As it was, it didn't justify Gail's extreme reaction.

 

I was okay with Angelique's (Gail Russell) reaction, it's just the death happens so quick that it doesn't seem serious.

 

I get the impression Gail's character never really understood Ralls, but then she didn't have

to to love him. It felt more like Gail Russell showing her adoration for John Wayne.

 

Gail seemed quiet and distant in the film, on the sad side. She was quite the opposite of Wayne. But her way makes me want to protect her, all the more. She's terribly vulnerable. In a way, she's the opposite of Maureen O'Hara.

 

Ha! Fix was funny. That was a good character for him. Ralls: "You'll be a richer man than

you ever dreamed!" Ripper: "I just hope I won't be a deader one."

 

See! Humor! The way Ralls carries on sometimes just kills me.

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