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Akkk! A ?good? Nazi.. Rommel?


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I saw this film in a theater 59 years ago with my family, when I was a kid. I remember seeing the opening scenes of the British commandos being shot to pieces by the Nazis, and then the film switched over to being about the Nazis, and the British were all loosing the war, and it looked like a film that took the side of the Nazis, and the Nazis seemed to be winning all the battles, and there was James Mason playing the Nazi hero of this film!

 

I punched my father in the side, and I asked him (in a whisper) what the heck is this film was about! I didn?t want to see a danged film about the Nazis killing British commandos and American soldiers and being the heroes of a war movie. They didn?t win the danged war!

 

He whispered back, ?It?s about General Rommel?.

 

I waited a couple of minutes, and then I whispered back, something about Rommel being a danged Nazi, and I didn?t understand what the Hollywood film makers were doing making a movie that made a hero out of Rommel and the danged Nazis.

 

My father whispered back, telling me to shut up and watch the movie.

 

:)

 

Now, here I am, 59 years later, watching the danged movie again!

 

:)

 

Danged Nazis!

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It was a simple point that anyone who tries to kill Hitler can't be all bad. Rommel was a tank commander and didn't care for politics. Like Claus von Stauffenberg these people didn't commit the horrible war crimes like the die hard Nazi fanatics did.

 

A good example of a person that carried the Nazi card but didn't care much about their politics was Werner von Braun. One was required to join the party if anyone expect to get anywhere in life there

 

By the way I'm watching "Hitler" right now and I think Richard Basehart is the most laughable Hitler I've ever seen. Lol. He's better off under the ocean.

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Fred, Being such a James Mason fan, I couldn't miss this last night. Here are some highlights before I have to leave for work -

 

- Rommel wearing that long leather coat in the hot desert

- he had diptheria of the nose?

- they never once referred to Hitler by name - it was always him, he, the Bohemian corporal, the Supreme Leader, my Fuhrer

- war by horoscope?

-when his wife and son visited Rommel in the hospital, they left without so much as a hug, kiss - they never even got close to him.

 

I have no idea how accurate this was, will check later.

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The Nazi's were deep into the occult as I learned on the History Channel. Why would using horoscopes be strange, especially today when its too common of a practice used by a great deal of normal people. (beginning to wonder what normal is??)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialism_and_Occultism

 

About Rommel wearing a leather jacket in the desert? Yep!

 

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The movie "Hitler" had some inaccuracies. First off since when did the Germans used wall maps printed in English? They show people involved in the Valkyrie Conspiracy being hanged including

Stauffenberg! We all know Stauffenberg along with a few others were shot by firing squad.

 

Many of the rest were not simply hanged but were *very slowly* strangled by piano wire from meat hooks. Hitler enjoyed watching their suffering. The movie didn't show Hitler and Eva's suicide which would have been very important at the end. This movie left too much out and went by too swiftly. Had some stuff I don't know where the producers got it from.

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James Mason's Rommel was such a success that 2 years later he reprised his role of Rommel in "The Desert Rats"directed by Robert Wise starring Richard Burton and Robert Newton about the British Army stopping Rommel at Tobruk. A well done if slightly inaccurate film with good performances by all....

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*It was a simple point that anyone who tries to kill Hitler can't be all bad. Rommel was a tank commander and didn't care for politics.* - hamradio

 

He was not involved in the plot. Knew about it, but not involved. And he had no problem serving as the commander of Hitler's bodyguard, knowing it would get him a prime gig after the war started. Politics was the only way to get anywhere in Germany. As a kid, I was enamoured of Rommel, but as I got older and read more, I realized he was just another egomaniac like Patton, Montgomery, and Zhukov. And not quite as smart as he was built up to be.

 

*A good example of a person that carried the Nazi card but didn't care much about their politics was Werner von Braun.*

 

Again, I idolized him when I was a kid. But his acceptance of slave labor should have prevented his entry into the United States, space program be d***ed. He could have fled to the West long before the war ever started. He used whatever means available to achieve his goals, making him not much better than Hitler.

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ham - I will have to learn more about the horoscope aspect. I truly don't know much about that part of WWII. But to me, it just adds to the craziness of the background. I'm not going to go to the History Channel (or the Hitler Channel) as I've heard it called. They seem to have too much wacky stuff on there nowadays. Don't know what lots of it has to do with history.

 

Thanks (!) for that info on hanging! A little more than what I needed to know, but I can handle it.

I started watching *Hitler* but, it got too late, and too creepy, so I turned in.

 

A lot of us remember watching *Rat Patrol* on TV - it did seem like a different part of the war. A lot less gruesomeness (yes, I know it was just TV).

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...FROM YOUR FIRST BIG BLITZKRIEG TO YOUR LAST DYING DAY...

 

 

Rommel never joined the Nazi Party. If he hadn't been the Wehrmacht's best strategist, Hitler surely would have replaced him for that inexcusable omission...or worse.

 

 

> {quote:title=fredbaetz wrote:}{quote}

> James Mason's Rommel was such a success that 2 years later he reprised his role of Rommel in "The Desert Rats"

 

 

Mason did...and he didn't: in that THE DESERT FOX was told entirely from the German point of view, all the actors, both British and American, playing Germans used their normal speaking voices, whereas in THE DESERT RATS, which is told from the Allies' perspective, Mason chose to play Rommel with a (not terribly convincing) German accent, so one can argue that the two films, and Mason's performances, are not really companion pieces.

 

In any case, THE DESERT FOX is one of the earliest examples of what I call the post-war war film, in which Hollywood, freed of the need to make war films that served as overt propaganda, and faced with an equally insistent, though somewhat more subtle, need to demonize our new "enemy" -- Communism -- "rehabilitated" the Germans, Japanese and Italians to the extent that they were now allowed to have interior lives, ulterior motives and active psychologies, resulting in characters who were frequently more complex, interesting and even sympathetic than their putative opponents (the wartime Allies and the service men and women who were the now-nominal protagonists of these war films).

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The are some interesting DVD's I've seen advertised on TV called " Nazis: A Warning From History" from Time-Life. I like to see it but I don't want to shell out $40.00 of my hard earn money, I don't pay that amount nowadays for regular movies. I'm hoping after sales drop, they will be aired.

 

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I've always presumed the irrelevant commando sequence was added b/c the run time was so short. Even with the commando opening the film is only 88m long.

 

I consider DF to be a companion piece to 5 Fingers, with James Mason helping Germany against the decadent English in both.

 

FWIW I didn't mind Basehart as Hitler. That film had much bigger problems...

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I liked Basehart's Hitler. He played it just the way I would expect a paranoid, out of control lunatic to be. The movie itself is kind of silly. Preachy; not subtle. The actor's performance was the only thing I liked about it. Interesting how two people have such different reactions.

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Ham, The series is worth every penny.I was fortunate enough to record it off air about five years ago. It is deeply informative, and so incredibly chilling. Someone decscribed the Nazis as the "Banality of Evil". The everyday workmanlike routine of persecution, torture, and above all else the genocide and race war against the Jews and Russians beggers the imagination.Stripped of their powers and trappings of authority, most of these creatures(I say creatures, because they don't deserve any sympathy) are non-entities who received the justice they deserved at Nuremberg and the hangman's noose.The subtitle of the TV series is "A Warning from History" Younger generations should take heed. Best, BruceG.

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> {quote:title=BruceGhent wrote:}{quote}

> Rommel wasn't Hitler's best strategist. Erich von Manstaein was. Mind you, Hitler thought he was the best strategist of all. Best, BruceG.

 

Would his astrologers agree with that? ;)

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The commando sequence wasn't irrelevant. It placed Rommel's imortance in the proper historical context.Several raids were mounted against him and others in his command.the British tried in many different ways to get him,either by subterfuge,kidnapping or assassination.That he was never captured was something of a miracle, given his penchant to command from the front, unlike the unfortunate British general, Richard O'Connor, or Rommel's replacement General Von Thoma.Best, BruceG.

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