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Film noir runneth over on the schedule lately


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You could take Maltin's film guide, point to a random movie and it's likely

that it would be better than Woman on the Beach. Yikes. Hard to believe

that the director of Grand Illusion and The Rules of the Game made this

rather pedestrian flick. I was going to watch the first thirty minutes or so just

to get the flavor, but for some reason I stayed up and watched the whole thing,

maybe to see how it would turn out. Well, we all makes mistakes, especially

at 2:00 in the morning.

 

I always thought Scarlet Street was over the top in a fun entertaining way and

that Woman in the Window was a more earthbound and restrained. I suppose for

sheer visceral pleasure, it's Scarlet Street, but they're both worthwhile.

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With *Scarlet Street* it was a great movie, I really wish they had worked it so the paintings did turn out to be forgeries and Dan Duryea went to prison for the murder and selling bogus paintings, Edward G. gets the money and gets off free and happy.

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> {quote:title=C.Bogle wrote:}{quote}

> You could take Maltin's film guide, point to a random movie and it's likely

> that it would be better than Woman on the Beach. Yikes. Hard to believe

> that the director of Grand Illusion and The Rules of the Game made this

> rather pedestrian flick. I was going to watch the first thirty minutes or so just

> to get the flavor, but for some reason I stayed up and watched the whole thing,

> maybe to see how it would turn out. Well, we all makes mistakes, especially

> at 2:00 in the morning.

 

Man, this film was awful. I just watched my most recent recording of it. Early on, I was trying to remember where my first recording of it is. I taped it off TCM a few years ago. But toward the end I remembered that I erased the tape because this film is so awful.

 

Close personal relationships between three crackpots. Two or three attempts to murder someone, but they always survived. Why? So the director could present us with yet another attempt at murder. Like before, I'm going to erase this one also and write myself a note: "Do not watch Woman on the Beach again... it's awful."

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Even a mediocre movie has a few good moments, but in this one there weren't

enough. It seemed to have all the elements of a good noir or suspense film, but

for the most part, they never came together. And Joan Bennett turns out to be

a mere tramp, not a ****. Since there was a lot of tampering by the studio, maybe

Renoir deserves a break. Stick with The Human Beast.

 

I get the title confused with Female on the Beach with Crawford and Whitetop.

I haven't seen it in a while, but it's a lot more entertaining than this fog-shrouded

reverie.

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> {quote:title=C.Bogle wrote:}{quote}

> . ... And Joan Bennett turns out to be a mere tramp, not a ****. .

 

Interesting, especially in view of a recent discussion on another thread about the "s" word. So, what's the difference between a "tramp" and a "****"? (or can we not discuss it on a family board?)

 

Funny how people react to words. I don't mind theses terms: "tramp", "tart","floozie" (all kind of archaic now, I guess) but cringe at the word "****".

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I'm embarrassed to say I barely knew who Barbara Nichols was. However, when I looked her up, saw her picture and her filmography. I knew who you were talking about (this is why you thrive in the "Games and Trivia" forum, and I do not.)

"Floozie" is a fun word to say, as is "tart". Or even "tramp". You can imagine someone spitting the word out contemptuously, (probably a woman)" "She's nothing but a tramp !" These words resonate more nicely than "****", which just sounds ugly. I still don't know the difference between all these terms, but perhaps, this being an open website and not a repository for porn talk, we'd best leave it at that.

 

As for Barbara Nichols, now that I know who she is, I kind of like her.

 

(Hey, maybe we should start a thread on this in "General Discussions": "Classic Movies' Naughtiest Tarts and Tramps " )

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I think **** is considered a rung above (or is it below?) a tramp. Of

course these things are rather subjective, but **** is likely the most

offensive. I wouldn't use the word unless I knew the person very well

and she had a sense of humor. Floozie is rather old- fashioned, and

today it sounds almost comical. Trollop and trull are two somewhat

archaic words, so today they sound kind of cool.

 

In addition to her looks, Barbara had a rather distinctive, if slightly

annoying, voice.

 

Frankie sez: That's why the lady is a _____________. :(

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I think a **** is a tramp that enjoys it...

Seriously, I don't see much difference, but perhaps one of degree.

 

Another term of the era was "broad." My mother, born in 1925, considered that term an insult, but I believe tramp and **** are somewhat worse.

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But do tramps, trollops, tarts, and broads enjoy it any less than sluts? (Boy, if somebody just clicked this thread and didn't read the foregoing posts, they'd be a little taken aback. No word play on the word "back" intended.)

 

Another word to describe a female of "easy virtue", used incorrectly but often in old movies is "****". Jealous husbands and boyfriends are always accusing their wives and lady partners of being "a dirty ****", meaning, they think their mate has been intimate with somebody other than themselves. They throw the word around the same way they'd use any of the epithets listed above.

 

However, as everyone knows, a "****" is another word for "prostitute" or, in today's politically correct parlance, "sex trade worker"(that term really takes all the fun out of the concept). In any case, it refers to someone who has sex for money. Usually the woman being labelled as such is not a ****, but rather a "tramp", "trollop", or "floozie" (agreed , very old-fashioned words) who does it for fun and dare I say it, pleasure. Or maybe she just wants a couple of drinks -I suppose she's a borderline "****".

 

I can't believe we're discussing all this ( at least, I am). Will the these posts be deleted in the name of decency?

 

One last observation: all those words listed here, in addition to many others (I'd never heard of "trull" before) have become almost extinct , but the term "****", the nastiest of the lot, lives on. Why is that?

Also, why are there no equivalent terms for men? (And don't give me "gigalo", it's not the same.)

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> {quote:title=misswonderly wrote:}{quote}

> But do tramps, trollops, tarts, and broads enjoy it any less than sluts?

 

I apologize in advance for how sexist this will sound, but hey, we're discussing movies, not reality... I base these characterizations on movies, not real life.

 

Although a dictionary will say that tramp, trollop, tart, and ****, are all synonyms for prostitute, this is my take of the nuances of these terms. Trollops and tarts are coquettish. They want to be thought of as pretty, and get attention. Sluts are more submissive, needy. They directly trade sex for food and shelter, and need a man to take care of them. A tramp is really a woman who behaves sexually more like a man, seeing what she wants, and going after it. She is more independent and assertive, even though she uses her feminine wiles to get what she wants.

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Just goes to show the endless fascination with words and their shadings of

meaning. Broad is insulting, and so it's mostly dropped out of today's

vocabulary. It sometimes pops up on TV, mostly in use by old-timers who

don't realize it's a no no. Frank Barone was a frequent user. Broad is more

of a general term for a woman, without the sexual connotation of tramp or ****.

 

One of my favorite euphemisms for prostitute is horizontal worker. Roundheels

is another old and funny name for a person who has a lot of sex partners.

 

Men get a break because the same sexual behavior that results in a woman being

called a tramp or **** is magically transformed into something almost positive when

a man does it. They're just boys being boys or sowing their wild oats. Obvious double

standard.

 

Kept man and cradle-snatcher, but they don't have the same pop.

 

Oops, almost forgot the relatively new kid on the block: ho

 

 

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You can't keep a good bad girl down.

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