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Kinokima

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I never said it was the job of literature to better society, but we can use literature to better our people, definitely..,just like we can use cinema to improve world conditions, if we choose to harness it for the good.

 

Products that have racism, sexism and every other kind of 'ism' in them are not something I prefer.

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Sometimes I do have the right. And sometimes you will find that others have that right over you. You have to accept it.

 

For instance, you are not allowed to watch certain OUR GANG comedies because someone else has decided that you can't.

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You don't have to agree with it. But they do have rights just as you do.

 

Sometimes decisions have to be made that affect everyone, and we just have to go along with it. It's the way life is in this society.

 

I really think you should leave the same-sex and abortion topics out of this discussion. You are saying in one breath that you are adamantly conservative but you are also speaking out of the other side of your mouth trying to score points with the liberals. Take a side, make a stand and stick to it. That's what I do. And I don't back down.

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> {quote:title=hamradio wrote:}{quote}

> The one thing that makes America great is that *Mein Kampf* and *The Communist Manifesto* can sit on the same self at a local library.

 

They do not sit on same shelf in good library. Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf is in Dewey Decimal Classification 943. Karl Marx's The Communist Manifesto is in Dewey Decimal Classification 335.

 

I do not remember source but I read The Bible is book banned in more places for longer time than any other book. It has been banned in America because it contains extramarital sex, incest and many other stories which are banned by local community standards laws.

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> {quote:title=ClassicViewer wrote:}{quote}

> Sometimes I do have the right. And sometimes you will find that others have that right over you. You have to accept it.

>

> For instance, you are not allowed to watch certain OUR GANG comedies because someone else has decided that you can't.

 

 

I am sorry to tell you this but I bet I could watch certain Our Gang episodes, yes even the racist one if I really wanted to. No one is going to arrest me if I go looking for these episodes. It's not a crime is it?

 

What is and is not aired on TV is a separate matter, that is not a ban but up to an individual station/company or whatever. There is no law against Our Gang episodes.

 

I mean I can think of other examples certain Match Game episodes that do not get aired on TV because GSN is afraid they might be offensive but you can find these episodes on youtube.

 

I doubt you are going to find anything as extreme as what you are saying in the US.

 

 

 

edit: I did a little searching and the so called Our Gang episodes that get pulled on TV are apparently available on a DVD collection uncut. No you don't have to go through any black market to get them.

 

http://www.ramseyltd.com/rascals/faq/

 

Edited by: Kinokima on Aug 13, 2010 5:00 PM

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I've seen dozens of "Amos and Andy" videos at my local video stores for years. Apparently they're still very popular.

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I don't care what the REASON is somebody wants to ban or censor something, it is still WRONG. And, yes, CV, it does happen, sometimes in very subtle ways, but that doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean I like it or accept it. As for the comment about something leading to the "betterment of society"......wow, phrases like that scare me....Who decides what is 'better' for society? You?? There is plenty of offensive stuff out there..movies, tv, music.. I agree it is offensive and some of it disgusting, but I would NEVER be in favor of banning or censoring it.. That just goes against the very essence of what I believe in as an American. But, I think this is another one of those debates that is never resolved.

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You are way out of line assuming you know if I'm making a liberal or conservative point of view.

 

I'm against banning of films. To you that makes me a conservative, but you are incorrect (again), and misunderstand someone (again, since you do this a lot).

 

I'm also 100% for same-sex-marriage and I'm pro-choice. I don't label myself as a con or lib.

 

I only mention same-sex-marriage and being pro-choice because I believe in a system of goverment that allows for personal CHOICE. Thus people should be allowed to read or view what they wish.

 

Again, please stop with the bogus assumptions.

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I am letting you know I read your reply. There is this deep negative vibe between us that makes it no longer fun to try communicating. How sad.

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Thanks for adding some sanity to this discussion and saying me the trouble.

 

A station or any private company has the right to not show certain content (duh), and if someone has the rights to a movie they could decide to legally prevent anyone from showing said movie again (buy not granting rights). But that isn't a ban.

 

To me a ban is when the local, state or federal government makes it a crime to show certain content. As far as I know this only occurs with regards to decency (e.g. porn). As I pointed out the SC rules only a few weeks ago that movies where high heel gals kill little kitten was unconstititional. Of course no one on the SC felt these movies were 'OK' but the law was written poorly and thus violated free speech rights. If these type of movies cannot be banned than Our Gang cannot be.

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There is a general consensus among broadcasters that many of the OUR GANG titles should not be allowed on television. That comes from public pressure, probably groups like the NAACP.

 

The NAACP doesn't want to make it a crime to show OUR GANG or Amos N Andy, but they do want to put pressure on broadcasters not to air them and to dilute their commercial value. They want to remove those titles and they are succeeding.

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> {quote:title=ClassicViewer wrote:}{quote}

> There is a general consensus among broadcasters that many of the OUR GANG titles should not be allowed on television. That comes from public pressure, probably groups like the NAACP.

>

 

Back in the 1950s, companies started digging them out of the archives, along with Three Stooges films, and renting them to local TV stations. Later they sold prints to local stations, and I recall several local stations that aired them right after sign-on time, early in the morning, around 5-6 am, before the Today show, back in the ?60s and ?70s.

 

As stations and networks expanded their airtime earlier and later, sometimes they would show up in the middle of the night.

 

But today, I think they are too ?dated?, too old. Whenever I wake up at 2 or 4 in the morning now, all I see is a bunch of stupid cartoons, a re-run of last night?s news or last night?s comedy talk show, or half-hour commercials trying to sell exercise machines.

 

People wanting to see old movies have only a few cable channels, or they can rent them or buy them on tape or DVD.

 

The Our Gang Collection, all 52 MGM shorts, original and uncut now available at www.warnerarchive.com

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P7P7QTkUBA

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Good post.

 

I wonder if the MGM ones are less offensive than the ones produced in the 30s by Roach.

 

When the Marx Bros went to MGM, the emphasis of their comedy slightly changed. I'm sure the rascals were MGM-ized, too.

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I don?t remember seeing many of the really old ones. I mainly saw the ones with Spanky in them. Some of the very old ones were silent, and I?ve seen only a couple of those.

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SansFin wrote:

<< I do not remember source but I read The Bible is book banned in more places for longer time than any other book. It has been banned in America because it contains extramarital sex, incest and many other stories which are banned by local community standards laws. >>

 

Don't you find that funny if not strange that the people who had it banned for that reason cannot answer the billion dollar question, how did Adam and Eve had *grandchildren?*

 

The *law* was never made retroactive.

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If I had been a black person in the ?60s and ?70s, I think I would have griped about some of the racial stuff too. Enough is enough. 50 to 60 years of Hollywood insulting them was enough by the ?60s.

 

Now, here is an outrageous insult that is embarrassing for me to watch. This looks like a film from the 1940s:

 

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Yes there are a lot of horrible racial stereotypes in classic Hollywood films. We would have to ban a whole lot of stuff if we wanted to get rid of it all.

 

No one is saying Yay Racism. It makes most decent people feel uncomfortable watching these stereotypes today as it should. However, I still do not think we should ban or edit any of these films. They are our history. Even negative history is important.

 

And you know what I remembered reading about racism in Hollywood in school. I never truly understood it until I saw it depicted in film. Film is such a great medium for history. True it doesn't necessarily portray an accurate history of the time but I think it does reflect the attitudes of the time quite well.

 

 

As for the Our Gang series I watched a few episodes here and there but I am not that familiar with it. Now I am curious about these racist episodes. I did read that the black actors in the series defended the show and never felt it was racist.

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> {quote:title=Kinokima wrote:}{quote}

> Yes there are a lot of horrible racial stereotypes in classic Hollywood films. We would have to ban a whole lot of stuff if we wanted to get rid of it all.

 

I didn?t say ?ban? anything. I said if I had been black in the ?60s and ?70s I would have griped to TV stations and sponsors about the racist jokes. I probably would not have griped if the films had also contained some racist jokes about whites too, but they didn?t, not until years later. What actually did happen was that much of the racist stuff in old films was snipped out of TV versions of those films for local showing in the late ?60s and thereafter, rather than the whole films being banned.

 

As a matter of fact, one time Mr. Osborne introduced the Tarzan movie that had the scene of Jane swimming nude in it. He said ?look for it?. I watched for it, but the scene had been snipped out of that particular version that TCM aired that night. So TCM wound up with a censored copy, rather than an original copy.

 

It?s like the way cursing is snipped out of movies on some of the ?family? channels. As a matter of fact, by the early 1970s many of the film companies had their film stars do ?alternate dialogue? recordings, which included no cursing, for insertion into TV versions of their movies that they wanted to sell to TV later on. I?ve seen many of these films where the words are those of the main actors, but they don?t match their lip movements. So I can tell that the actors did some ?looping? of the non-cursing dialogue, for use in TV versions of their films.

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Well I think editing/censoring these films are wrong too. I can't stop a private organization from doing it but that doesn't mean I have to support it.

 

I would rather feel uncomfortable and watch those stereotypes then to ignore that they were there at all. Those stereotypes should make you uncomfortable no matter who you are.

 

Instead of censoring material of the past it is much better to focus on making positive portrayals in the future.

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> {quote:title=Kinokima wrote:}{quote}

> Well I think editing/censoring these films are wrong too. I can't stop a private organization from doing it but that doesn't mean I have to support it.

>

> I would rather feel uncomfortable and watch those stereotypes then to ignore that they were there at all. Those stereotypes should make you uncomfortable no matter who you are.

>

 

Just a week ago, you jumped all over me because I said I wanted TCM to air Ingrid Bergman?s ?Die vier Gesellen?. You started fussing at me and saying it was just a propaganda film, as if you didn?t want to see TCM air it.

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> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote}

 

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> Just a week ago, you jumped all over me because I said I wanted TCM to air Ingrid Bergman?s ?Die vier Gesellen?. You started fussing at me and saying it was just a propaganda film, as if you didn?t want to see TCM air it.

 

 

Um excuse me no I did not say anything of the kind. I thought it was ridiculous to say TCM was greedy because they do not air it (which the original poster of that topic said) and no I am not going to beg TCM to air it but if they did I would have no problem. I even said previously it would be historically interesting. Of course I am not saying Yay TCM let's air racist films either.

 

The thing I jumped on you about was whether the whole nice atmosphere you see in the film was an accurate depiction. And yes it is a propaganda film. That is a statement about the film's content not a statement on whether I care if the film is aired or not. And also it is not as statement on the quality of the film.

 

You do seem really obsessed with that film though. You mention it in every other post.

 

 

edit: Here you go I found a German copy of the film for you (probably not subtitled but since you want to see it so badly). You will probably need a region free player though.

 

http://www.amazon.de/Die-vier-Gesellen-Sabine-Peters/dp/B001S6YBNM/ref=sr_1_2?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1281752542&sr=1-2

 

Edited by: Kinokima on Aug 13, 2010 10:22 PM

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You raise an interesting point...we have to look at whether racism became synonymous with 'anti-black.' That was the main issue with the Civil Rights movement in the 60s, the anti-black sentiment in America. But there were other forms of racism...against the Jews it was called anti-semitism. Racism tends to imply anti-black more than anti-Asian or anti-hispanic.

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