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ClassicViewer, I will again quote what you said on this subject:

 

*"There is such a thing as revisionist history. Dismantling some of the old films is a form of revising our collective conscious as a society. It may be scary, but it also may be paramount to the advancement of civilization."*

 

Is that not advocating a kind of revisionism? I am surprised you seem to be offended at the word, since you yourself have used it. I am not suggesting you have any other motive, you are very straightforward about it.

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How often in history has cartoons like these been censored or banned? I find it amusing that the Speedy Gonzales charactor that is now politically incorrect always *outwits and eludes* his pursurors. Thats a bad thing??? I think he now lives in Arizona.

 

Betty Boop was censored due to her less than desirable fashion wear. My goodness its only a cartoon. Even the Coppertone girl icon didn't escape recently!

 

Here is a list of cartoons that are banned or censored that are available uncut. Site has a good commentary. http://banned-cartoons.com/

These are known as the "Censored 11" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censored_Eleven

 

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This is Betty Boop before and after the Hays Code

 

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I agree...there is such a thing as dramatic license.

 

And so what if history gets rewritten to remove the more offensive attitudes of the past. Why must we remember all the horrid details of our earlier years. Time to let go of some of the abuse of the past.

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The 'it's only a cartoon' excuse does not fly with me.

 

It's only a comedy.

 

It's only science fiction.

 

It's only pornography.

 

It's only, it's only, it's only.

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I am not advocating revisionism. I am saying that it happens. It's been happening for years because of certain political interest groups such as GLAAD, NOW and NAACP.

 

It will continue to happen. I personally have nothing to do with it. But I know where I stand on it. I agree with it and I certainly won't try to stop it.

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I was referring to the pre-Hays code Betty Boop.

 

The hula scene in the first cartoon photo reminded me of something I saw in the old "That's Hollywood" documentary back in the late 1970's.

 

Shirley Temple didn't even escape the censors. She did a hula dancing scene in the movie "Curly Top" that wound up on the cutting room floor. "That's Hollywood" showed the deleted scene. Only her dancing was the issue.

 

Like to add that the staircase dance scene with Bill Robinson was censored in several southern states during the 1930's. This shows how ANY type of censorship can be hurtfull.

 

My previous comments was for historical reference not to endorse or condemned. Try not to put in whats not there! This is about *Banned Films*

 

Edited by: hamradio on Aug 15, 2010 2:25 PM

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And so what if history gets rewritten to remove the more offensive attitudes of the past. Why must we remember all the horrid details of our earlier years. Time to let go of some of the abuse of the past.

 

So what if?

 

You've got to be kidding right?

 

There is only one way we move forward in life. We learn from the past and apply it toward the future. If ever there was a constant in the universe this is it.

 

I guess we should just throw out everything we learned about the Holocaust, or maybe the genocide from Rwanda or what happened in the Balkans.

 

McCarthyism in the fifties, the civil-rights issues from the sixties, the failure of the recent banking collapse. Yeah, I can see where you are going here.

 

Yeah, you're right. Lets just get rid of all of history's bad attitudes and events from the past

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You hit the nail on the head. Yes we cannot sugercoat the bad events of the past, only to learn from it. If we censor or ban what we don't like today (referring to the topic), how are future generations going to know that the events actually happen?

 

By doing what CV is suggesting, there will be no proof to future generations that these things actually happened and they will say that its only a rumor or myth.

 

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it!... Edmond Burke

 

How far will censoring go? Will the Popeye charactor be completely banned because he offends sailors? Olive Oyl because she offends skinny people? Bluto because he offends bullys? Wimpy because he offends anyone that eats at McDonalds?

 

I guess what stuns me the most is that this thread itself hasn't been censored by now because it offends the TCM Web Administator. :)

 

Edited by: hamradio on Aug 15, 2010 3:13 PM

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Again, you seem to be going with the most extreme examples. I think it's sad that people would prefer to keep dredging up the horrors of the past instead of putting an end to it and reconfiguring our present consciousness in the hopes of a happier, healthier future.

 

If we disagree in this regard, then so be it. I am perfectly content to be on the side I'm on...amen.

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Since we all wish to stay on topic and have the focus be on movies, can you please re-state your view on the banning of films.

 

I assume (but please correct me if I'm wrong), that you support the banning of certain films. Can you clarity how this banning would be done?

 

For example, do you recommend that the US Congress create and maintain a list of films that cannot be shown or sold in the USA? Or should this be done at a state level?

 

In other words what do you recommend actually be done to 'reconfiguring our present consciousness'?

 

Thanks

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A film maker may have a specific purpose in mind, but that doesn't mean that

those who view the film will get the purpose, as each person will have an individual

reaction to the movie. And this would go double for people from another culture.

In practical terms it's not of much importance, since very few Hollywood productions,

of any era, are meant for the betterment of mankind. It's still better to call Western

Union.

 

 

 

 

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over

the mind of man."

 

Thomas Jefferson, as quoted in Born Yesterday...

 

...except for slavery, as not quoted by Jefferson.

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Why? So you guys can tear it up?

 

If I thought for one moment that your request was genuine, I might half-way consider. But it's clear that it would be a field day for those who look at my posts and jump on them like rabid dogs. Sorry, but the vet is now closed.

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Banning films starts with desire to protect sensitive people and to prevent offending anyone. I humbly request total ban of all films which portray in any manner things to which I am sensitive and which I find offensive.

 

1) Men wearing ties. It was fashion created by mercenaries brought into France to persecute gentle and prudent Queen Mother Marie. To show men wearing ties is to perpetuate concept that it is socially acceptable to tyrannize helpless females. Many of us idolize Marie because of her renowned wisdom, wit and deep knowledge of chemistry. Her persecution by Louis XIII and Cardinal Richelieu is very disturbing period of history for many of us. All measures should be taken to prevent similar oppression in the future. This can be done only by banning all film presence of these offensive symbols of mercenary's tyranny.

 

2) Characters born in different years. It is very prejudicial to show people as wiser, more experienced or somehow superior just because they are older than others. In a truly enlightened society every child's thoughts, opinions and decisions are as legitimate as anyone else's. To portray them as inferior in judgement is overt acceptance of depravation, mental cruelty and tyranny imposed each and every time their parent says: 'no'. It is also not realistic. Every teenager knows they are smarter than their parents. Any films with characters of different ages must be banned if we are to avoid such archaic age-centric prejudice.

 

3) Dialogue containing words beginning with 'E'. I do not believe I have to state overt and obscene sensuality of spoken 'E'. The only way to protect innocence of our youth is to ban all films containing such morally objectionable sounds.

 

Once all of these films have been banned I will consider supporting bans on films which offend others because of portrayals of social norms of past generations.

 

Please be warned that I will be offended by any comments doubting social value or legitimacy of my sensitivities on these matters.

 

:)

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> {quote:title=hlywdkjk wrote:}{quote}

> *"So, I am for censoring, banning, burning, eliminating nothing. To do so is to LIE."* - VX

>

> Nicely said.

>

> But my favorite -

> "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

> Thomas Jefferson, as quoted in *Born Yesterday*

>

> Kyle In Hollywood

 

 

While I appreciate Jefferson's sentiment, I could never make that vow, because, as Luis Bunuel said, "Thank God I'm an atheist!"

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This is the most intentionally/unintentionally ridiculous thread, ever. Well, at least in quite some time! I refuse to believe whoever wants to burn films is serious.

 

Edited by: johnm_001 on Aug 15, 2010 11:05 PM - because I mistakenly referred to the OP as the one who wanted to burn films!

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> {quote:title=johnm_001 wrote:}{quote}

> I refuse to believe the OP is serious.

 

That's what they want you to think, so they can sneak up on you... ;)

 

Addendum: of course it is not kinokima who proposed burning films. I didn't mean that, and I'm sure Johnm didn't mean that. The person who originated the idea, in another thread, was someone else entirely. I apologize for perpetuating the confusion.

 

Edited by: ValentineXavier on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 AM

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> {quote:title=johnm_001 wrote:}{quote}

> This is the most intentionally/unintentionally ridiculous thread, ever. Well, at least in quite some time! I refuse to believe the OP is serious.

 

Am I serious about what? That I am against banning, & censoring films that are deemed politically incorrect?

 

For your information I created this thread because someone mentioned this very thing in the Audrey Hepburn/Emma Thompson thread. The thread was getting off topic so someone asked that we create a new thread because other people wanted to discuss this topic. And it seems this ridiculous topic has gone on for quite a few pages.

 

If it is so ridiculous to you don't reply. And please keep your snark to yourself.

 

Next time if I am going to be attacked for creating a thread I will let the other thread go off topic.

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Kinokima, I feel quite uncomfortable about all this. As I have admitted earlier, it was I -"Misswonderly"- who suggested the thread. Not because I thought some films should be banned, (and if John 001 had read your original post carefully he would seen that you were not saying that) but because I really did think that the other thread was going in that direction, and that if people were going to discuss it that it should have a thread of its own.

 

Although I still have strong opinions on the matter, I think that I have unintentionally caused misunderstandings and no little ill feeling by suggesting that we start this thread. Also, just about everyone -including me- has had a bit of a bash , not at the original poster (who does not appear to support the banning of books or films as far as I can tell from what she has said), but at the only person here who has a different position on this issue from the rest of us. I'm not sure that we're all going to accomplish anything further on this topic, and I am saddened that controversial subjects always seem to end up like this.

 

So, I'm just going to go back to thinking about who the biggest heartthrob is, and what my favourite Alfred Hitchock films are -stuff like that. Maybe the Dave Clark Five.

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Misswonderly it is not your fault at all. You were right that the other topic was not the place to have this discussion so your suggestion was a good one. I think I will just think twice about being the one to start controversial threads like this because people seem to not read carefully and miss the point. I just didn't appreciate being made fun of that is all.

 

Maybe I should join you in those safer threads!

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You and Kinokima (and everyone else) should never feel afraid to view your opinions. This is a great thread and the subject of censorship and banning should be addressed.

 

Do not be afraid to voice your opinions because some poster might get their feelings hurt - if they do, tough. This is called Freedom of Speech and by g_d I will voice mine! The fact that political correctness is impeading freedom of speech, we ALL should be worried.

 

Feel free to to let your voice be heard and more power to you! :)

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With the utmost courtesy and respect to everyone who posts on these forums, I'm going to make a suggestion., first emphasizing that I too need to follow my own advice:

 

Please read people's posts carefully. If you read them too quickly, or just skim over them, it's easy to misunderstand what they said. I think the people who post on this website are a remarkably intelligent, informed, and articulate group, and we all deserve to both write and read others' messages with a clear idea of what we are saying, and what they have said.

 

Now I'll stop wagging my finger. sorry if I seemed officious.

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See, I have a problem with what you just posted.

 

You talk about freedom of speech, but it seems that anyone who advocates something you disagree with, something where you might feel threatened, that is not okay...so you would probably want to silent that viewpoint and go against your own principles.

 

I also get the feeling you are trying to use this thread to grind an axe about political correctness. That is NOT the purpose of this thread. Start another thread for that (heaven forbid).

 

Edited by: ClassicViewer on Aug 15, 2010 9:59 PM

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I have no problem with your beleifs, its your right,. just don't squash mine. Like I stated you have every right to view your opinions. I am no way trying to silence any view points No hard feelings. :)

 

Edited by: hamradio on Aug 15, 2010 10:32 PM

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